Re: [AXIOM] AxiomMemHash, Schnorr Sigs Implemented, APOS 3.0, AXH 2.0 Proposed

[mitchellmint]

So is this coin a scam YES OR NO
or is everyone on the FENCE

Im voting not, a scam coin.  I should have an RPi staker torrent soon.

[barabbas]

So is this coin a scam YES OR NO
or is everyone on the FENCE

Fence. Very much fence...

[barabbas]

150,000 less staking, 20%. Presumably with a sell order at bittrex.  24 hours.

[chrysophylax]

ok then:

1.will it be possible one day to have access to the gpu miner that is running for few of axiom miners that must accumulate and selling at this point much more than cpu miners, and have the possibility to make the market the way they want  ? (and I know that some cpu miners have some nice results by mining with amazon cloud or other)...

2.As it look like axiom has been made by ICM and his team, who has already fooled ppl with crave long-haul (crave is a good coin, but now neglect by the dev, making ppl frustrated and upset), will axiom have the same destiny ? Axiom wallet and crave wallet look the same, that i think ICM is behind it.
Some ppl said the same with bananabits, but i didn't look closely to this other point.

For those two reasons, axiom is not a good coin...another pump and dump from ICM team ?
This dev could achieve great thing with each of his coin if it was made honestly...
I won't invest more into axioms as long as those questions will stay unanswered...

If ICM is not axiom dev that my opinion is false, forget this point

I don't have a way to know if these two are the same guy or not but I'll tell you one thing: He has just launched this coin and the first weekend after that he doesn't show up here nor answer very important questions through PM. That's as no good an indication as you will ever have... this side of being anonymous. So I believe your concerns and prudence are more than justified at this point.

Yes, the fact that the dev team has been silent all weekend, does not look good. The only positive is that all the seed nodes appear to still be running...

people ... its the WEEKEND ...

some of the devs and people have lives they want to live - so the weekend is the only time they have to spend with family and friends ...

i know - i do the same ... weekends are for family time ( for me anyway ) and i will only work when absolutely necessary on the two days i need rest ...

im not defending the devs - but i am saying that your reactions are a little premature dont you think? ...

give it a week - or two - THEN slam them hard about not answering or responding or developing this coin ...

#crysx

Sorry but no: You hit the iron when it's hot. Can you imagine opening a restaurant and the first weekend leave for the beach?  Come on!

that is a business that REQUIRES you to be there and be present ... this is not ...

what do you think this is? ... a restaurant or business that the devs have a responsibility by law? ...

not a chance ...

this is no restaurant or business or anything that makes it worthy that you put your life on hold ... none of these devs are accountable to us - none ...

if they were - then they would be here ...

they are probably all at the beach as we speak ... laughing and carrying on with life while everyone here burns at the mere thought that they have been scammed ...

im not saying that anyone has been - im just saying - the benefit of the doubt is a nice card to play for the short term ...

i understand where you are coming from though ... but you need to understand that none of these devs are accountable for anythign they do like disappearing ...

would be nice if they were though ...

#crysx

[chrysophylax]

150,000 less staking, 20%. Presumably with a sell order at bittrex.  24 hours.

now with that statement - i think you hit the nail on the head ...

i believe there will be a major dump soon also ...

all the signs are there ...

#crysx

[ozboy2014]

AXIOM developers pinged me to give an opinion on the GPU speedup of the AXIOM PoW function.

I wrote the draft of the paper about RandMemoHash back in 2013, after playing with RandMemoHash a bit. I tested it with a SINGLE GPU (that was even older), and could not get any speedup. My paper does not show any proof, not any real world comparison over several GPU models, so it is definitively unfinished. The suggested parameters are not proven to be valid for all existent GPU models (and less for future models). People should never take for granted what an non-peer-reviewed privately-published draft paper says.

I would have liked that Axiom developers would have pinged me to give an update on it before implementing it.

Having said this, I find that a 5x GPU speedup quite good resistance, considering that a GPU is generally better than a CPU in almost every task. CPUs are good at executing large programs, doing paging, protecting memory, doing I/O. Nothing that a PoW can make use of.

GPU memory system is designed for throughput, and it has generally about 6 times the bandwidth available to a CPU. RandMemoHash bottleneck is the DDR/GDDR memory bus, so that speedup can be expected.

Also you must consider power-usage in the equation: that may make it better or worse for GPU-mining.

I don't know if tweaking the parameters would improve it. Maybe using 8 MB instead of 2 MB can prevent the use of some L2 caches in some boards. But the more space you require, the slower it is to verify the PoW. And this is a cat-and-mouse race, since future models will probably increase the size of the cache.

The Axiom developers & community could collect some real world numbers and try to find an improved parameter set (if it is really needed and if there is a better one).

I wish AXIOM users the best luck.

Sergio.

Sergio,

Thank you so very much for making a presence in our ann. While we were conducting our research on GPU resistance algorithms the RandMemoHash seemed like the best option available. We're currently assessing the impact of GPU's on our current distribution model. We're warming up to them because they are not nearly as efficient as people initial suspected. The electricity cost is also a major factor in their efficiency as well. Currently, they do not have much of an advantage if at all. Thank you so much Sergio, we look forward to reading more of your draft papers and we look forward to doing great things as a collaborative community utilizing the research that is available to us to improve our crypto currency ecosystem.

Axiom Team

There have been too much work put into this for it to be a scam... but I might be wrong..

[barabbas]

150,000 less staking, 20%. Presumably with a sell order at bittrex.  24 hours.

now with that statement - i think you hit the nail on the head ...

i believe there will be a major dump soon also ...

all the signs are there ...

#crysx

Well, not exactly: 1 hour after the other post, the staking has got almost to the same figure it had yesterday, specifically minus 34,000, so just about 5% less. No reason for alarm, I don't think.

[guppy]

ok then:

1.will it be possible one day to have access to the gpu miner that is running for few of axiom miners that must accumulate and selling at this point much more than cpu miners, and have the possibility to make the market the way they want  ? (and I know that some cpu miners have some nice results by mining with amazon cloud or other)...

2.As it look like axiom has been made by ICM and his team, who has already fooled ppl with crave long-haul (crave is a good coin, but now neglect by the dev, making ppl frustrated and upset), will axiom have the same destiny ? Axiom wallet and crave wallet look the same, that i think ICM is behind it.
Some ppl said the same with bananabits, but i didn't look closely to this other point.

For those two reasons, axiom is not a good coin...another pump and dump from ICM team ?
This dev could achieve great thing with each of his coin if it was made honestly...
I won't invest more into axioms as long as those questions will stay unanswered...

If ICM is not axiom dev that my opinion is false, forget this point

I don't have a way to know if these two are the same guy or not but I'll tell you one thing: He has just launched this coin and the first weekend after that he doesn't show up here nor answer very important questions through PM. That's as no good an indication as you will ever have... this side of being anonymous. So I believe your concerns and prudence are more than justified at this point.

Yes, the fact that the dev team has been silent all weekend, does not look good. The only positive is that all the seed nodes appear to still be running...

people ... its the WEEKEND ...

some of the devs and people have lives they want to live - so the weekend is the only time they have to spend with family and friends ...

i know - i do the same ... weekends are for family time ( for me anyway ) and i will only work when absolutely necessary on the two days i need rest ...

im not defending the devs - but i am saying that your reactions are a little premature dont you think? ...

give it a week - or two - THEN slam them hard about not answering or responding or developing this coin ...

#crysx

If it's crave dev, and i think it is, then chance that axiom will be shorten in the same way are huge.
If the dev doesn't have to answer to our questions, i'm sure he'll like our money when he'll dump...
then i don't have to buy and make it live, and you should think in the same way... it's so naive to think another way...

The questions are:
1.can we have access to gpu miner for axiom, that we all know that some guys mine with it, and they are getting a big advantage with it. Of course this advantage will play against you when they'll dump.
If we can't have access to it, then why ?

2. Is axiom team dev is the same as crave dev ? If yes, you shouldn't trust them, despite of their talent.

PS: i'm not fudding, I hold both of those coins, and i'm not so stupid (my mummy said)...

[mitchellmint]

RPi Compile stopped on:


secp256k1/src/secp256k1.c:637:1: fatal error: opening dependency file obj/secp256k1/src/secp256k1.d: No such file or directory
compilation terminated.

Any help?

[chrysophylax]

RPi Compile stopped on:


secp256k1/src/secp256k1.c:637:1: fatal error: opening dependency file obj/secp256k1/src/secp256k1.d: No such file or directory
compilation terminated.

Any help?

refer here ...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1135151.msg12014556#msg12014556 ...

unless you are installing under windows which is a little different ...

hope that helps ...

#crysx

[mitchellmint]

RPi Compile stopped on:


secp256k1/src/secp256k1.c:637:1: fatal error: opening dependency file obj/secp256k1/src/secp256k1.d: No such file or directory
compilation terminated.

Any help?

refer here ...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1135151.msg12014556#msg12014556 ...

unless you are installing under windows which is a little different ...

hope that helps ...

#crysx

GIT repo has the folders and I thought it would be OK.  The trick was

"chmod +x leveldb/build_detect_platform ..."

Thank you.

[megalox]

i love this coin,, hope it will not turned into scam coin..

also community need to support this coin,,no fud please

[chrysophylax]

RPi Compile stopped on:


secp256k1/src/secp256k1.c:637:1: fatal error: opening dependency file obj/secp256k1/src/secp256k1.d: No such file or directory
compilation terminated.

Any help?

refer here ...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1135151.msg12014556#msg12014556 ...

unless you are installing under windows which is a little different ...

hope that helps ...

#crysx

GIT repo has the folders and I thought it would be OK.  The trick was

"chmod +x leveldb/build_detect_platform ..."

Thank you.

glad it worked out for you ...

im unsure as to why the clone from git removes the executable bit from the app - but it seems to do so all the time ...

anyway - glad it worked out ...

im also finding that the git compile doesnt want to stake ... and i mean AT ALL ...

ill leave it running for the next two days that im away on personal things - maybe then it will show some activity ...

#crysx

[itsjohnny]

So I mine one coin a day while someone mines 1000.... so 2 people will have 99 percent of the stock... Just trying to do the math of how this is a wanting coin lol

[Litejavichu]

i love this coin,, hope it will not turned into scam coin..

also community need to support this coin,,no fud please

I hope this does not end as "TALKCOIN" .... But the signs are same performance. Ye have audited the code? In "talkcoin" we did not know where they were produced dumps, until a user  advised us that DEV stole large quantities. Same silence and dumps large....

[mitchellmint]

So I mine one coin a day while someone mines 1000.... so 2 people will have 99 percent of the stock... Just trying to do the math of how this is a wanting coin lol

Im planning on about 25 a day for four weeks.  You have to remember the person(s) mining 1000 are hoping/betting they are worth the amount of electricity or rent they are investing.  Big miners are not all that bad. 

[barabbas]

So I mine one coin a day while someone mines 1000.... so 2 people will have 99 percent of the stock... Just trying to do the math of how this is a wanting coin lol

This is completely ridiculous... So there's people mining a lot more than other people. Including people who have several powerful CPUs and tens of thousands of AXIOM... in what is that any different from any other coin? There are people in all of them POW, POS or hybrid that mine much more than others... who actually cannot mine anything at all. That is not the problem of Axiom, not at all. Lacking website, IS a problem; Total absence of the dev for an entire key weekend IS not just a problem but a red flag. And there are MANY others, unfortunately. But NOT the GPUs can and are mining a lot of coins. If this project is legit, the current price is absurdly, ridiculously low, regardless who's mining what. THAT's what's important, what counts. You believe the project is legit, you invest as much as you can and more than probably you will be handsomely rewarded ... if you are right. If you are not, well, chalk the investment off as yet another scam coin.

Simple as that.

[barabbas]

Staking fluctuations are ridiculous... if the info on the wallet is to be trusted: At this point, 232,000 less staking that 24 hours ago.  Over 30% less. and 27% less than the last time I checked a couple hours ago, as I posted here.... Wild.

[itsjohnny]

so the general public stakes at lets say 100 coins.. while the dev stakes at 100 000 coins... lol..

[barabbas]

so the general public stakes at lets say 100 coins.. while the dev stakes at 100 000 coins... lol..

Even more ridicule, young padawan. Whoever is using GPUs is spending in electricity more than the difference in what they mine and what in identical circumstances others can do with their CPUs, so there's not really a significant advantage... unless the price goes much higher. In which case, I don't think any holder, miner or otherwise, will have too many complaints.

But you obviously don't like what you see here... and you could very well be saving yourself from a disappointment, so why keeping on beating on the same dead horse and, furthermore, making a ridicule spectacle of yourself?

Baffling...