█▓▒░-< [ZPOOL.CA][BTC Multipool] The miners multipool >-░▒▓█ Paid 925+ BTC

[ComputerGenie]

... look at both lines on the graph... any dips in the dark line?

Both go up steady unlike the MCM address

...Do not count on this number being true until sold on exchange and converted to the green...  

[Megaquake]

now the pool is mining MNM, my balance is yes buy look at both lines on the graph look at my BTC address 1MCTKMWxpvG6fgscntjgxjD4podFzo5DAV any dips in the dark line?

Both go up steady unlike the MCM address

...Do not count on this number being true until sold on exchange and converted to the green...  

I dont but this pool only trades alts for BTC, so you get credited from whats mined at its value vs BTC not exchanged, at the end of the day I will probable end with a balance of around 60MNM, im good with that at 3k sat that is equal to 0.0018BTC

[ComputerGenie]

@Megaquake
Why do I think it's going to take 4 .pdf files, 2 videos, and 9 PowerPoint presentations to explain this to you?

The only things that are 100% true are:

• "Confirmed"
• "Balance"
• "Total Paid"
• and the part of the graph that is this color!

The things that might be true are:

• "Immature"
• "Total Unpaid"
• "Total Earned"
• and the part of the graph that is this color!

[Megaquake]

@Megaquake
Why do I think it's going to take 4 .pdf files, 2 videos, and 9 PowerPoint presentations to explain this to you?

The only things that are 100% true are:

• "Confirmed"
• "Balance"
• "Total Paid"
• and the part of the graph that is this color!

The things that might be true are:

• "Immature"
• "Total Unpaid"
• "Total Earned"
• and the part of the graph that is this color!

Understood lol

[ComputerGenie]

Wallet: 1xAMPLE4u2rEad
   Name             Immature       Confirmed         Total   Value*
(total pending)       0.00726048   0.00562979      0.01289027 BTC


   Balance      0.01059564 BTC
   Total Unpaid      0.02348591 BTC
   Total Paid***      0.18075165 BTC
   Total Earned      0.20423756 BTC

Immature + Confirmed = (total pending)
0.00726048 + 0.00562979 = 0.01289027 BTC

(total pending) + Balance = Total Unpaid
0.01289027 + 0.01059564 = 0.02348591 BTC

[ComputerGenie]

@crackfoo,

Why does everything crash at the exact time payments are made?  

Code:

[2016-08-04 00:44:40.239] Proxy 0:sha256.mine.zpool.ca:3333 failed, attempting reconnect
[2016-08-04 00:45:40.243] Proxy 0:sha256.mine.zpool.ca:3333 recovered
[2016-08-04 00:45:40.243] Successfully connected to pool 0 sha256.mine.zpool.ca:3333 as proxy
[2016-08-04 00:47:11.759] Possible block solve diff 4816847.230639 !
[2016-08-04 00:47:27.243] Proxy 0:sha256.mine.zpool.ca:3333 failed, attempting reconnect
[2016-08-04 00:47:47.244] Proxy 0:sha256.mine.zpool.ca:3333 recovered
[2016-08-04 00:47:47.244] Successfully connected to pool 0 sha256.mine.zpool.ca:3333 as proxy

[Megaquake]

I dont think we have much of a chance to find a LBRY block considering the net hashrate is 1.5THs wow!

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[Megaquake]

@crackfoo,

Why does everything crash at the exact time payments are made?  

Code:

[2016-08-04 00:44:40.239] Proxy 0:sha256.mine.zpool.ca:3333 failed, attempting reconnect
[2016-08-04 00:45:40.243] Proxy 0:sha256.mine.zpool.ca:3333 recovered
[2016-08-04 00:45:40.243] Successfully connected to pool 0 sha256.mine.zpool.ca:3333 as proxy
[2016-08-04 00:47:11.759] Possible block solve diff 4816847.230639 !
[2016-08-04 00:47:27.243] Proxy 0:sha256.mine.zpool.ca:3333 failed, attempting reconnect
[2016-08-04 00:47:47.244] Proxy 0:sha256.mine.zpool.ca:3333 recovered
[2016-08-04 00:47:47.244] Successfully connected to pool 0 sha256.mine.zpool.ca:3333 as proxy

Crackfoo knows about that issue, been going on for a long time.

[jkminkov]

yes but if you set lower, sometimes if the coin is very low diff you end up with 100% rejects and then you dont get paid.

Fact:
If you're getting 100% rejects with 14-25 shares/minute, then something is wrong with the server or your modem/router is junk.

REAL FACT is if you set it too low, you DDOS the pool...

[ComputerGenie]

...

Fact:
If you're getting 100% rejects with 14-25 shares/minute, then something is wrong with the server or your modem/router is junk.

REAL FACT is if you set it too low, you DDOS the pool...

Let's see what a pool guy says about that.....

...
So my suggestion is to aim for a share return rate no higher than the highest difficulty that keeps you at 1% variance if you are setting a "minimum difficulty" or perhaps the value that keeps you under 1.2% for a fixed difficulty. This can be worked out easily if you know your hashrate without even testing it.

So our target is a diff that returns 20-25 shares per minute.
Every 71.6MH/s returns one share per minute - therefore every GH/s returns about 14 shares per minute.

A share return rate of 20 needs a diff of 1 per 1.432GH/s if setting a fixed difficulty.
A share return rate of 25 needs a diff of 1 per 1.79GH/s if setting a minimum difficulty.

Most pools are allowing you to set a fixed diff, so let's keep this final recommendation as simple as possible, and aim for 20 shares per minute. That's a diff of 1 per 1.432GH/s.
...

If "you DDOS the pool" with the recommended settings from one of the guys that wrote cgminer and some of the most stable pools around, then your "pool" isn't a real pool!

[ComputerGenie]

Crackfoo knows about that issue, been going on for a long time.

You say that like it's something that should be expected.

[aarons6]

...

Fact:
If you're getting 100% rejects with 14-25 shares/minute, then something is wrong with the server or your modem/router is junk.

REAL FACT is if you set it too low, you DDOS the pool...

Let's see what a pool guy says about that.....

...
So my suggestion is to aim for a share return rate no higher than the highest difficulty that keeps you at 1% variance if you are setting a "minimum difficulty" or perhaps the value that keeps you under 1.2% for a fixed difficulty. This can be worked out easily if you know your hashrate without even testing it.

So our target is a diff that returns 20-25 shares per minute.
Every 71.6MH/s returns one share per minute - therefore every GH/s returns about 14 shares per minute.

A share return rate of 20 needs a diff of 1 per 1.432GH/s if setting a fixed difficulty.
A share return rate of 25 needs a diff of 1 per 1.79GH/s if setting a minimum difficulty.

Most pools are allowing you to set a fixed diff, so let's keep this final recommendation as simple as possible, and aim for 20 shares per minute. That's a diff of 1 per 1.432GH/s.
...

If "you DDOS the pool" with the recommended settings from one of the guys that wrote cgminer and some of the most stable pools around, then your "pool" isn't a real pool!

im not going to pretend to know everything.. or even care..
all i do know is if i set my diff too low on my s7, like say what you recommend.. which would be around 3000.. it jams up.. completely unresponsive.. have to pull the plug to get it working again..


one thing you have to understand.. we arent mining bitcoin.. we are mining low diff alt coins.. some have difficulty in the 1000s..

with a low diff coin, and a low worker diff, you can crank out 100s of shares a minute.. most will be discarded by cgminer.


all it does is makes the machine work harder.. it also transmits more data, and makes the pool work harder.


on a s9, id probably start around 30k for worker diff..

keep in mind, bitmains cgminer fork has an issue with power of 2.. it causes lots of issues.. so avoid those numbers.. 512,1024,2048,4096,8192, etc..

[JaredKaragen]

Crackfoo knows about that issue, been going on for a long time.

You say that like it's something that should be expected.

He says that because its been discussed across many pages over a lot of time.

I remember the week it was most noticeable to me:  when I got a bitmain unit > S3.

[ComputerGenie]

im not going to pretend to know everything.. or even care..
all i do know is if i set my diff too low on my s7, like say what you recommend.. which would be around 3000.. it jams up.. completely unresponsive.. have to pull the plug to get it working again.. ~3300


one thing you have to understand.. we arent mining bitcoin.. we are mining low diff alt coins.. some have difficulty in the 1000s.. And only one of them are under 3300. And even if they ALL were, if the server can't handle finding blocks at the rate of a given coin, then the server should be upgraded or handle that coin separately.

with a low diff coin, and a low worker diff, you can crank out 100s of shares a minute.. most will be discarded by cgminer. 20 shares per minute is not "100s"


all it does is makes the machine work harder.. it also transmits more data, and makes the pool work harder. The machine works no harder, because the machine only deals in 1 diff hashes and diff setting tells the software what to discard.

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[ComputerGenie]

OK, here's the simple answer on diffs ....

Set whatever you want, just don't ever ask why you have x% of the pool and only get x/2% on a given coin at a given point.

If you're fine with a 10%-20% variance in you returns, then that's good enough for you.
If you're not fine with a 10%-20% variance in you returns, then don't intentionally set yourself into a high variance.

The End.



P.S. - I'm totally fine with continuing to get free percentages of shares because you turned yours in too late!

[ComputerGenie]

"pending balance" on zpool is actually "pending estimate"

+1

As is "Total Unpaid" and "Total Earned".

[ComputerGenie]

A new hiccup:

Miners: 1KNQxxxk
Summary     Miners   Shares       Hashrate
sha256         0          34.3936%   66.3 Th/s   

Earnings are being recorded, though.  

[crackfoo]

A new hiccup:

Miners: 1KNQxxxk
Summary     Miners   Shares       Hashrate
sha256         0          34.3936%   66.3 Th/s   

Earnings are being recorded, though.  

looks ok... now?

[ComputerGenie]

looks ok... now?

Ya.
Skerd me when you rebooted it, since I was adjusting a fan on one of the S9s (I hate how they whistle) and everyone started beeping.  

[BryanC]

Yeah.  I've never invested in alts.  I haven't even put a cent into ETH.  I think ETH is garbage and bound to implode given it's malleable nature.

BTC is where it's at.  Ill stay with Bitcoin Core unless it doesn't scale in the future as it was originally intended to be; then ill consider a sidefork if i need to.  But I am BTC all the way.  Less fuss, more stability than other crypto.

*edit* I say stability because its your fault for trusting someone else with your coins. (exchange fiascos)  Notice all problems with bitcoin circle around FIAT... not bitcoin.

Yes! This.

While BTC isn't perfect, it really is a testament to the original author that it is so stable (as a protocol and technology). It's amusing that, since the DAObacle started, every "fix" just makes the situation worse.