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Author Topic: Bitcoin puzzle transaction ~32 BTC prize to who solves it  (Read 380533 times)
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September 25, 2024, 06:39:50 AM
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Interesting find! It seems the private keys for these addresses are likely generated using a deterministic formula based on a sequence number. The increasing decimal values you've observed (3, 7, 8, 21...) suggest a simple mathematical progression.

Here's what I can analyze:

The pattern seems to be an increasing sequence, possibly exponential.

The provided examples show a clear relationship between the address number and the private key value.

Unfortunately, without knowing the exact formula or a starting point, it's difficult to predict the private keys for addresses 15 and beyond.
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September 25, 2024, 07:41:53 AM
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Interesting find! It seems the private keys for these addresses are likely generated using a deterministic formula based on a sequence number. The increasing decimal values you've observed (3, 7, 8, 21...) suggest a simple mathematical progression.

Here's what I can analyze:

The pattern seems to be an increasing sequence, possibly exponential.

The provided examples show a clear relationship between the address number and the private key value.

Unfortunately, without knowing the exact formula or a starting point, it's difficult to predict the private keys for addresses 15 and beyond.

If you think there's a simple mathematical pattern, you should team up with the guy who's trying to solve it with Photoshop charts and have digiran oversee you both. I am sure many of us have read the exact same ChatGPT answer, typed verbatim:

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The pattern seems to be an increasing sequence, possibly exponential.
The provided examples show a clear relationship between the address number and the private key value.
Unfortunately, without knowing the exact formula or a starting point, it's difficult to predict the private keys for addresses 15 and beyond.

lmao you didn't analyze squat.
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September 25, 2024, 08:01:48 AM
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You can check with monitoring tools on your system OS.

Yes exactly. It's not worth it.. Someone has to sit down and write a completely new kangaroo.
Just to be quick so it's not too late.  Grin

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September 25, 2024, 08:19:24 AM
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Someone has to sit down and write a completely new kangaroo.

Shouldn't we be looking at FPGAs by now?

I'm actually working on a little project to get me started with Verilog.

It is a simple xpoint-only bruteforcer for now. The design works fine, but I couldn't fit it on the target chip yet.

The main goal is to get to the level where I can create a HDL Kangaroo implementation as there are none out there.


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September 25, 2024, 08:27:45 AM
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I am sure many of us have read the exact same ChatGPT answer

Yes, hahaha! I even have version 3.0 of the puzzle exponential prediction script created by ChatGPT. That silicon brain even suggested I try a magic circle with colors in Python. I think 90% of the ideas here came from ChatGPT. Grin

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September 25, 2024, 08:32:58 AM
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I am sure many of us have read the exact same ChatGPT answer


Yes, hahaha! I even have version 3.0 of the puzzle exponential prediction script created by ChatGPT. That silicon brain even suggested I try a magic circle with colors in Python. I think 90% of the ideas here came from ChatGPT.  Grin



chatGPT bab, then talk about brute or secp246k1, not answer about attack....

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September 25, 2024, 08:39:35 AM
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chatGPT bab, then talk about brute or secp246k1, not answer about attack....

unless it's bragging about how 'brute' it is! 😜 But don't worry, no attacks here  Grin

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September 25, 2024, 08:45:17 AM
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No attacks here, just lonely elliptic curves in a world that never understood them. 😢
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September 25, 2024, 09:11:40 AM
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Someone has to sit down and write a completely new kangaroo.

Shouldn't we be looking at FPGAs by now?

I'm actually working on a little project to get me started with Verilog.

It is a simple xpoint-only bruteforcer for now. The design works fine, but I couldn't fit it on the target chip yet.

The main goal is to get to the level where I can create a HDL Kangaroo implementation as there are none out there.



I agree with you. I think the future is the FPGA, it is the clear evolution path.
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September 25, 2024, 09:18:41 AM
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Shouldn't we be looking at FPGAs by now?

Or consider leveraging a RISC-V CPU for this.

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Shouldn't we be looking at FPGAs by now?

We should. But it should be one that can compete with the 20.000+ number of cores in a high-end GPU.

If it only has a few number of parallel units they should be so freaking fast that they do more total jumps/s than what the equivalent GPU (with [tens of] thousands of cores) do. Otherwise it would overall be slower.

To get a rough idea if it's worth it I would first start with the field multiplication. I'm not sure if Bernstein's 256-bit multiplier using logic gates is the best one yet (or even if it's public) but you can take it as a reference. Then we have on average six 256-bit multiplications per jump per kangaroo. Depending on FPGA specs you can compare the raw performance against what a GPU can perform (for example a RTX 4090 can do around 90 billion 256-bit field mul/s at the very low level, before we can talk about point addition and so on)

You can find very recent (2022) HW designs of fast XGCD (for mod inv) which is the bottleneck when running Kangaroo on a GPU (around 50% of the running time is spent just by field inversion, even when doing just a single inversion for a batch of thousands of kangaroos / jump).

If the inversion is in HW than a FPGA might get overall faster than a GPU, or it might not, dependng on the other factors.

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September 25, 2024, 11:23:05 AM
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Damn!!! whoever the solver of 130 bit is. is genius..!!! damn i was on it for 3 years i thought i was almost there.. i know i would get a lot of hate for what im about top tell but.. i was working so hard on this so i could give my dad a better care for my father coz he's terminally ill. now the difficulty just got harder Smiley and got to redo the math from scratch.. good luck for the solver. just sad i couldn't make it.
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September 25, 2024, 11:34:40 AM
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@Tepan

Can you explain a little bit more your formula ?


First thing first it's funny someone really spend their time to this like Mr.AKITO.

I want to explain but I'm afraid of appearing smarter than my friends who are great at spending their time creating and ensuring programs like search using the hash of public key 160 and even compressed public keys, will feel offensive to them, this is just my thoughts for 2 years paying more attention to this forum and puzzle.

but okay if you want to.


old_key = 4563 -- was from "95823/21" 21 is divided by count the 95823 into 2097151, have 2 option 22 or 21, 21 is precisely with target.
old_range = (65536, 131071)
new_range = (1048576, 2097151)

result :

[1245699, 1660932, 2076165, 1400841, 1816074, 1140750, 1555983, 1971216, 1295892, 1711125, 1451034, 1866267, 1190943, 1606176, 2021409, 1346085, 1761318, 1085994, 1501227, 1916460, 1241136, 1656369, 2071602, 1396278, 1811511, 1136187, 1551420, 1966653, 1291329, 1706562, 1446471, 1861704, 1186380, 1601613, 2016846, 1341522, 1756755, 1081431, 1496664, 1911897, 1236573, 1651806, 2067039, 1391715, 1806948, 1131624, 1546857, 1962090, 1286766, 1701999, 1441908, 1857141, 1181817, 1597050, 2012283, 1336959, 1752192, 1076868, 1492101, 1907334, 1232010, 1647243, 2062476, 1387152, 1802385, 1127061, 1542294, 1957527, 1282203, 1697436, 1437345, 1852578, 1177254, 1592487, 2007720, 1332396, 1747629, 1072305, 1487538, 1902771, 1227447, 1642680, 2057913, 1382589, 1797822, 1122498, 1537731, 1952964, 1277640, 1692873, 1432782, 1848015, 1172691, 1587924, 2003157, 1327833, 1743066, 1067742, 1482975, 1898208, 1222884, 1638117, 2053350, 1378026, 1793259, 1117935, 1533168, 1948401, 1273077, 1688310, 1428219, 1843452, 1168128, 1583361, 1998594, 1323270, 1738503, 1063179, 1478412, 1893645, 1218321, 1633554, 2048787, 1373463, 1788696, 1113372, 1528605, 1943838, 1268514, 1683747, 1423656, 1838889, 1163565, 1578798, 1994031, 1318707, 1733940, 1058616, 1473849, 1889082, 1213758, 1628991, 2044224, 1368900, 1784133, 1108809, 1524042, 1939275, 1263951, 1679184, 2094417, 1419093, 1834326, 1159002, 1574235, 1989468, 1314144, 1729377, 1054053, 1469286, 1884519, 1209195, 1624428, 2039661, 1364337, 1779570, 1104246, 1519479, 1934712, 1259388, 1674621, 2089854, 1414530, 1829763, 1154439, 1569672, 1984905, 1309581, 1724814, 1049490, 1464723, 1879956, 1204632, 1619865, 2035098, 1359774, 1775007, 1099683, 1514916, 1930149, 1254825, 1670058, 2085291, 1409967, 1825200, 1149876, 1565109, 1980342, 1305018, 1720251, 1460160, 1875393, 1200069, 1615302, 2030535, 1355211, 1770444, 1095120, 1510353, 1925586, 1250262, 1665495, 2080728, 1405404, 1820637, 1145313, 1560546, 1975779, 1300455, 1715688, 1455597, 1870830, 1195506, 1610739, 2025972, 1350648, 1765881, 2097151, 1090557, 1505790, 1921023]

i mark that with red color, just because as you can see, it's nearly with real decimal value to search, i test it with 10-20 puzzle, there is always a very close result, but need to search and wait for time.

for someone if ask how you can determine the first search is 1811764
in real condition with my codes is marked into hex, and groupped for search ranges, so it's from small value to larger value, and sequence ranges but random search on ranges.

searching puzzle #21 key 1BA534 > 1811764.

[...snip...]


@Tepan I still dont understand the sequence of values. Are just random values? Or are they following a pattern using the number old_key = 4563 ?
Also you select the red number based on the private key of the puzzle 21 so... what if you dont know it ?
I'm just trying to make sense to your message and trying to replicate to other puzzles
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September 25, 2024, 12:32:05 PM
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Damn!!! whoever the solver of 130 bit is. is genius..!!!

Of course, that is JLP himself, but apparently not with the GitHub version of Kangaroo 2.2.
This is version 8.0 at least.  Grin

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September 25, 2024, 01:40:47 PM
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Damn!!! whoever the solver of 130 bit is. is genius..!!!

Of course, that is JLP himself, but apparently not with the GitHub version of Kangaroo 2.2.
This is version 8.0 at least.  Grin


How do you know it is JLP ?
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September 25, 2024, 01:51:11 PM
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Damn!!! whoever the solver of 130 bit is. is genius..!!!

Of course, that is JLP himself, but apparently not with the GitHub version of Kangaroo 2.2.
This is version 8.0 at least.  Grin


How do you know it is JLP ?

Because when it comes to solving 130-bit, even the Kangaroo needs a turbo boost... and JLP's got the keys to the garage!  Tongue
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September 25, 2024, 02:14:02 PM
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Damn!!! whoever the solver of 130 bit is. is genius..!!!

Of course, that is JLP himself, but apparently not with the GitHub version of Kangaroo 2.2.
This is version 8.0 at least.  Grin


How do you know it is JLP ?

Because when it comes to solving 130-bit, even the Kangaroo needs a turbo boost... and JLP's got the keys to the garage!  Tongue

Then why hast he shared the private key yet ? i mean he is a great contributor if he solved it im pretty sure he would have shared the found private key right ?
 
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September 25, 2024, 02:27:06 PM
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it was NOT J.L.-P. who solved those puzzles

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September 25, 2024, 02:47:24 PM
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it was NOT J.L.-P. who solved those puzzles

How do you know it was NOT JLP ? or maybe it's you?  Tongue
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it was NOT J.L.-P. who solved those puzzles

How do you know it was NOT JLP ? or maybe it's you?  Tongue

I know for sure who it is. Digaran. As soon as someone is gone for a long time, he is the winner.  Grin

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