FLY COIN ANN.Swapping to "Las Vegas"coin,+Masternodes,Darksend,Stealth, instantX

[carlo_0000]

Yes, that is the current version of the wallet, and it's been very stable, so don't know why it's giving you problems;  might try emptying your APPDATA folder (except wallet.dat, of course) and re-syncing from scratch... it doesn't take too long.

I don't even use a config file (thus, no nodes programmed in), and I have 9 connections at this moment.

i notice i have 3 nodes now

my fly wallet crash time to time i think  it 3rd time 3.2.0 crash

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[Woody20285]

Yes, that is the current version of the wallet, and it's been very stable, so don't know why it's giving you problems;  might try emptying your APPDATA folder (except wallet.dat, of course) and re-syncing from scratch... it doesn't take too long.

I don't even use a config file (thus, no nodes programmed in), and I have 9 connections at this moment.

i notice i have 3 nodes now
my fly wallet crash time to time i think  it 3rd time 3.2.0 crash

If you go to Block Pioneers Block Explorer
http://chain.blockpioneers.info/fly/network.php

Click on Network, you will find a very long list of
nodes to put in a config file. Do not use the top
2 that are on version 2.1 and 2.1.

Also, sometimes wallets crash due to your memory getting low.
If you use windows press Control-Alt-Delete & start Task Manager to see
your physical memory usage. Between my wallets, using Chrome a lot and leaving
my computer on all the time. I was seeing frequent crashes.

I now use Mozilla which does not leak memory like Chrome, and added some
memory. When I get over 50+ % of physical memory usage, I re-start my
computer and it drops down to the 20% range for a few weeks.

[Woody20285]

I see Masternodes as a good thing - securing the network.
However, the pricing has me torn in 2 directions. I guess it
comes from  my being a Libra and seeing both side of issues.

Higher fees and there is not enough FLY on Yobit for people
to buy to set up Masternodes - only enough for 2+ Masternodes
under .0012 sat. But as CrazyIvan points out - too many nodes is  
not a good thing either.

I originally thought that 500 FLY was a good price, but I have
come around to agree with the 1,000 price. The question becomes
the rewards for staking vs. the reward for running a Masternode
and tying up tying up 1,000 FLY to run one.

I have run Masterodes on a few coins and, always went back to staking
which, in my case, I found more profitable. Usually, there were too
many Masternodes and not enough transactions. IMO, if the bigger holders
set up several Masternodes (which I would expect) - then, the smaller
holders will not be competing for stakes against those coins which
are tied up in Masternodes.

[vegasguy]

First let me say, I am no expert on masternodes. But it sounds like there are a lot of factors to consider. The problem with a 1000 fly being the cost of a masternode is theoretically this would allow for 200 masternodes. I wonder if it is possible to have different levels of masternodes, with different rewards? Anyone heard of this? I need to speak with Griffith and see if this is possible.

@Midnightminer. You seem to be very adept at understanding masternodes. Ill be honest, I have hardly done much with them. I would like your advice on numbers. If anyone else is very knowledgeable about masternodes, then please post ideas.

Vegas

[midnight_miner]

I didn't create a full worksheet like the DASH Masternode ROI calculation but here is a quick model for FLY:

From the Top 100 List I took the balances above 1000 FLY.

• Potentially 179 Masternodes could be afforded
• I am assuming a 50% adoption rate at start = 88 Masternodes

Total Coin Supply:    217759.5572
Minus Masternodes:   88000.0000
--------------------------------------
Avail. Staking Coins:129759.5572

If Staking perfectly at 35%,
total staking coin (not compounded):        45415.8500 FLY per annum
If 40% distributed among Masternodes:        206.4357 FLY per annum

Staking the 1000 FLY (not compounded):       350.0000 FLY  per annum

There are two important multipliers not included:

1) Wallet Staking Success: My guess about 75%
So real return for average wallet is 35% * 0.75 = 26.25%
That will trikle down to the Masternodes and reduce their payouts as well.

2) Number of Staking Wallets (at any given time): Probably 80-90% but never 100%

Conclusion:
Everyone and their dog who can afford a Masternode will try to run one in the beginning, but over the course of a couple months the number will be around 20 Masternodes.  At that small number the Masternode owners will make slightly better than staking, but hardly enough to cover the extra cost and time of running one.  The two factors that help make FLY what it is today, is what hinders it in expanding into the more fluid market.  FLY is a long term holding coin with a low coin supply.  Masternodes operate better in a larger coin supply with coins moving to market, be it trade purchases or exchange markets.

But this just means that the Masternodes you create today will operate in a smaller market, and it will take time for FLY to monetize itself on the markets to its true value.  The value of FLY will be based on its strength as a long term coin, and to be successful long term, you need a solid network of wallets, and Masternodes help solidify the network.  So Masternodes are not a bad move at this point, they will add value to the future of FLY.
 

[vegasguy]

I didn't create a full worksheet like the DASH Masternode ROI calculation but here is a quick model for FLY:

From the Top 100 List I took the balances above 1000 FLY.

• Potentially 179 Masternodes could be afforded
• I am assuming a 50% adoption rate at start = 88 Masternodes

Total Coin Supply:    217759.5572
Minus Masternodes:   88000.0000
--------------------------------------
Avail. Staking Coins:129759.5572

If Staking perfectly at 35%,
total staking coin (not compounded):        45415.8500 FLY per annum
If 40% distributed among Masternodes:        206.4357 FLY per annum

Staking the 1000 FLY (not compounded):       350.0000 FLY  per annum

There are two important multipliers not included:

1) Wallet Staking Success: My guess about 75%
So real return for average wallet is 35% * 0.75 = 26.25%
That will trikle down to the Masternodes and reduce their payouts as well.

2) Number of Staking Wallets (at any given time): Probably 80-90% but never 100%

Conclusion:
Everyone and their dog who can afford a Masternode will try to run one in the beginning, but over the course of a couple months the number will be around 20 Masternodes.  At that small number the Masternode owners will make slightly better than staking, but hardly enough to cover the extra cost and time of running one.  The two factors that help make FLY what it is today, is what hinders it in expanding into the more fluid market.  FLY is a long term holding coin with a low coin supply.  Masternodes operate better in a larger coin supply with coins moving to market, be it trade purchases or exchange markets.

But this just means that the Masternodes you create today will operate in a smaller market, and it will take time for FLY to monetize itself on the markets to its true value.  The value of FLY will be based on its strength as a long term coin, and to be successful long term, you need a solid network of wallets, and Masternodes help solidify the network.  So Masternodes are not a bad move at this point, they will add value to the future of FLY.
 

Thank you MM, very helpful information. Im sure its possible to make the masternodes worth their value by raising the rewards. I welcome suggestions.

Vegas

[groggin]

 
some random thoughts

while we're configuring our 'master plan', why not some discussion about other features that might be explored, like anon send/receive,  encrypted messaging, perhaps some kind of 'accounting' tab in the wallet where you might record what went where and why ...

 otoh, sometimes it's just cool to be cool and see where the waves will take you, but i think as a community we really need to determine what the ultimate fly money supply will ever be, otherwise it is impossible to generate meaningful numbers for PoS, paid nodes, etc

 the vcash system constantly probes the nodes for ping times, uptime and other params, only the best have a chance for a prize, makes for a very slick network

[vegasguy]

Well whats Ironic is we have the talent to do anything with Fly. My plan was to take the best ideas over time and add them to fly. So community is very important. Let me know what you would like to see that will make fly more valuable.

Vegas

[Woody20285]

MidnightMiner - Thanks for the work on the masternodes computations!

[vegasguy]

some random thoughts

while we're configuring our 'master plan', why not some discussion about other features that might be explored, like anon send/receive,  encrypted messaging, perhaps some kind of 'accounting' tab in the wallet where you might record what went where and why ...

 otoh, sometimes it's just cool to be cool and see where the waves will take you, but i think as a community we really need to determine what the ultimate fly money supply will ever be, otherwise it is impossible to generate meaningful numbers for PoS, paid nodes, etc

 the vcash system constantly probes the nodes for ping times, uptime and other params, only the best have a chance for a prize, makes for a very slick network

Im strongly looking over Vcash. I want to fully understand it. I think anon send/receive is so "80's". However encrypted messaging and a chat system built into the wallet, seems like a great idea to tighten the community. The additional idea I had, and this is a "pre-alpha" idea in my head, is to change the POS rewards based on the market. So if its dumping , the POS rewards are much lower, but if prices are going up , then the POS rewards go up (with a cap of say 20-25% course). If this can be done, then I already know there will be those trying to fool the system, so it will have to be constantly tweaked. Again, its simply an idea.

Vegas


Update: I just looked over Vcash, and its very messy and confusing. The dev hardly posts. He has a horrible trust rating. This is an idea, and simply an idea, rebrand to "Vegas coin". I would promote to the gambling sites that I do not own or control to adopt the coin. I simply update the coin and promote it, but would not ever have a gambling site that I own. If you guys like this idea, then I would begin talks again with the original starter of Vegas coin. What do you guys think?

Vegas

[pokeytex]

some random thoughts

while we're configuring our 'master plan', why not some discussion about other features that might be explored, like anon send/receive,  encrypted messaging, perhaps some kind of 'accounting' tab in the wallet where you might record what went where and why ...

 otoh, sometimes it's just cool to be cool and see where the waves will take you, but i think as a community we really need to determine what the ultimate fly money supply will ever be, otherwise it is impossible to generate meaningful numbers for PoS, paid nodes, etc

 the vcash system constantly probes the nodes for ping times, uptime and other params, only the best have a chance for a prize, makes for a very slick network

Im strongly looking over Vcash. I want to fully understand it. I think anon send/receive is so "80's". However encrypted messaging and a chat system built into the wallet, seems like a great idea to tighten the community. The additional idea I had, and this is a "pre-alpha" idea in my head, is to change the POS rewards based on the market. So if its dumping , the POS rewards are much lower, but if prices are going up , then the POS rewards go up (with a cap of say 20-25% course). If this can be done, then I already know there will be those trying to fool the system, so it will have to be constantly tweaked. Again, its simply an idea.

Vegas


Update: I just looked over Vcash, and its very messy and confusing. The dev hardly posts. He has a horrible trust rating. This is an idea, and simply an idea, rebrand to "Vegas coin". I would promote to the gambling sites that I do not own or control to adopt the coin. I simply update the coin and promote it, but would not ever have a gambling site that I own. If you guys like this idea, then I would begin talks again with the original starter of Vegas coin. What do you guys think?

Vegas

Hrmmm - I think your read is way off on John Connor - he is a genius when it comes to coding and is passionate about Vcash.  I think the information you found is based on btc talk forum - he despises BTC talk so my guess is you won't find much useful information on him here.  He primarly uses IRC, and the Vcash forums for communication.  Just to give you a heads up.  I have been with him for about three years now and he is consistent and always does what he says he will do.  You should give Vcash another look.  Keep in mind it is very technical so my guess is you would need some serious dev understanding to incorporate what he is doing.  I am not technical with programming so I can't talk to the point too much.  I just know what John Connor makes - works!  Hands down - no issues at all.

[vegasguy]

some random thoughts

while we're configuring our 'master plan', why not some discussion about other features that might be explored, like anon send/receive,  encrypted messaging, perhaps some kind of 'accounting' tab in the wallet where you might record what went where and why ...

 otoh, sometimes it's just cool to be cool and see where the waves will take you, but i think as a community we really need to determine what the ultimate fly money supply will ever be, otherwise it is impossible to generate meaningful numbers for PoS, paid nodes, etc

 the vcash system constantly probes the nodes for ping times, uptime and other params, only the best have a chance for a prize, makes for a very slick network

Im strongly looking over Vcash. I want to fully understand it. I think anon send/receive is so "80's". However encrypted messaging and a chat system built into the wallet, seems like a great idea to tighten the community. The additional idea I had, and this is a "pre-alpha" idea in my head, is to change the POS rewards based on the market. So if its dumping , the POS rewards are much lower, but if prices are going up , then the POS rewards go up (with a cap of say 20-25% course). If this can be done, then I already know there will be those trying to fool the system, so it will have to be constantly tweaked. Again, its simply an idea.

Vegas


Update: I just looked over Vcash, and its very messy and confusing. The dev hardly posts. He has a horrible trust rating. This is an idea, and simply an idea, rebrand to "Vegas coin". I would promote to the gambling sites that I do not own or control to adopt the coin. I simply update the coin and promote it, but would not ever have a gambling site that I own. If you guys like this idea, then I would begin talks again with the original starter of Vegas coin. What do you guys think?

Vegas

Hrmmm - I think your read is way off on John Connor - he is a genius when it comes to coding and is passionate about Vcash.  I think the information you found is based on btc talk forum - he despises BTC talk so my guess is you won't find much useful information on him here.  He primarly uses IRC, and the Vcash forums for communication.  Just to give you a heads up.  I have been with him for about three years now and he is consistent and always does what he says he will do.  You should give Vcash another look.  Keep in mind it is very technical so my guess is you would need some serious dev understanding to incorporate what he is doing.  I am not technical with programming so I can't talk to the point too much.  I just know what John Connor makes - works!  Hands down - no issues at all.

Pokey I trust you 100%. So, I might need to hire him , if thats the route we go. I also highly trust Groggin. Anyone else like Vcash? 

Please give details on why Vcash is so great? Would it go well with a rebrand to Vegas coin?

Vegas

[vegasguy]

I just wanted to post some thoughts. First, Im excited to continue adding features that bring value to fly.

Everyone asks "what is the purpose of fly?". I think they are hinting that some sort of new technology should be added, or things should be able to be purchased with fly. When I had been in crypto for about 1.5 years, I had the same experience that many of you had. The scam coins, the lies, the empty promises, the bagholding, the stolen coins. The reason I created fly is a safehaven where people could store their funds and generate a handsome interest rate and feel safe with their investment. That is the true purpose of fly. The day it launched I swore to uphold the integrity of fly. I have gone to enormous lengths to ensure not one person has ever lost even 1 fly coin. I have paid out to users over and over and over again, should they have lost coins of any amount large or small. I can easily fill this page with names and situations where I have stood up and made so many wrongs right, when I had nothing to gain, and everything to lose. I have poured enormous amounts of my money and ONLY my money into the development of fly. No one else paid the developers but me over the past 12 months. I did an amazing job at keeping inflation in check. We added only 50,000 coins in 12 months at 50% pos.  But, I look over the past few days and there is no vol on Yobit. NOT 1 COIN traded!! I thought for sure when I went to extreme lengths to prove the integrity of fly that we would have a big and active community, and this is not the case. So, Ive done the right thing over and over and over again, and 1 year later, there is no movement on the exchange. So, Ill be honest, I dont know why. Perhaps someone would be kind enough to explain why. In my mind, there is no safer place to put your money.

Vegas

[groggin]

 the fly paradigm is unique
where most alts prefer the decentralized core, vegasguy is trying to help us build a capitalist empire ()
he surely has devoted a lot of his personal time and money into this project
i keep pointing to vcash and decred because of what they are doing:
  -addressing the fundamental shortfalls of the core technology (that FLY is a clone of)
  -insuring that decentralized governance can and will forever direct the development of the software

personally, i feel that these are goals desirable, but i'm sot sure if they're short term attainable or adaptable to our cause

fwiw i also think the vegascoin, or vegas' coin or losvegascoin, laketahoecoin? could be a great marketing angle for fly, +1

[pokeytex]

I just wanted to post some thoughts. First, Im excited to continue adding features that bring value to fly.

Everyone asks "what is the purpose of fly?". I think they are hinting that some sort of new technology should be added, or things should be able to be purchased with fly. When I had been in crypto for about 1.5 years, I had the same experience that many of you had. The scam coins, the lies, the empty promises, the bagholding, the stolen coins. The reason I created fly is a safehaven where people could store their funds and generate a handsome interest rate and feel safe with their investment. That is the true purpose of fly. The day it launched I swore to uphold the integrity of fly. I have gone to enormous lengths to ensure not one person has ever lost even 1 fly coin. I have paid out to users over and over and over again, should they have lost coins of any amount large or small. I can easily fill this page with names and situations where I have stood up and made so many wrongs right, when I had nothing to gain, and everything to lose. I have poured enormous amounts of my money and ONLY my money into the development of fly. No one else paid the developers but me over the past 12 months. I did an amazing job at keeping inflation in check. We added only 50,000 coins in 12 months at 50% pos.  But, I look over the past few days and there is no vol on Yobit. NOT 1 COIN traded!! I thought for sure when I went to extreme lengths to prove the integrity of fly that we would have a big and active community, and this is not the case. So, Ive done the right thing over and over and over again, and 1 year later, there is no movement on the exchange. So, Ill be honest, I dont know why. Perhaps someone would be kind enough to explain why. In my mind, there is no safer place to put your money.

Vegas

Whatever happened with the multipool mining idea?  The problem I see is we have this exclusive coin that only a few have.  The few of us that purchased the coin have taken such a loss that I know I have personally lost around $2500 USD from my initial value.  I am on the sideline staking waiting for something to make Fly different from all of the other altcoins out there.  The only reason I joined Fly was because of your (vegasguy's) passion.  However, passion alone is not going to make people want to buy Flycoin.  There has to be something unique about it!  Vegas - you are a business owner - what makes your businesses different than your competition's?  Do you believe that your uniqueness has led to your success?  I think if you apply something unique to Flycoin then the people will come!  Think of it instead of cloning a coin rather inventing something!

[vegasguy]

I just wanted to post some thoughts. First, Im excited to continue adding features that bring value to fly.

Everyone asks "what is the purpose of fly?". I think they are hinting that some sort of new technology should be added, or things should be able to be purchased with fly. When I had been in crypto for about 1.5 years, I had the same experience that many of you had. The scam coins, the lies, the empty promises, the bagholding, the stolen coins. The reason I created fly is a safehaven where people could store their funds and generate a handsome interest rate and feel safe with their investment. That is the true purpose of fly. The day it launched I swore to uphold the integrity of fly. I have gone to enormous lengths to ensure not one person has ever lost even 1 fly coin. I have paid out to users over and over and over again, should they have lost coins of any amount large or small. I can easily fill this page with names and situations where I have stood up and made so many wrongs right, when I had nothing to gain, and everything to lose. I have poured enormous amounts of my money and ONLY my money into the development of fly. No one else paid the developers but me over the past 12 months. I did an amazing job at keeping inflation in check. We added only 50,000 coins in 12 months at 50% pos.  But, I look over the past few days and there is no vol on Yobit. NOT 1 COIN traded!! I thought for sure when I went to extreme lengths to prove the integrity of fly that we would have a big and active community, and this is not the case. So, Ive done the right thing over and over and over again, and 1 year later, there is no movement on the exchange. So, Ill be honest, I dont know why. Perhaps someone would be kind enough to explain why. In my mind, there is no safer place to put your money.

Vegas

Whatever happened with the multipool mining idea?  The problem I see is we have this exclusive coin that only a few have.  The few of us that purchased the coin have taken such a loss that I know I have personally lost around $2500 USD from my initial value.  I am on the sideline staking waiting for something to make Fly different from all of the other altcoins out there.  The only reason I joined Fly was because of your (vegasguy's) passion.  However, passion alone is not going to make people want to buy Flycoin.  There has to be something unique about it!  Vegas - you are a business owner - what makes your businesses different than your competition's?  Do you believe that your uniqueness has led to your success?  I think if you apply something unique to Flycoin then the people will come!  Think of it instead of cloning a coin rather inventing something!

Ok let me address some specifics:

Multipool: I have asked many devs if they can build us a multipool. I sent a PM to Jimmy that owns Scryptpool.com as I have spoken to him many times, and he is a real good guy. Some of his servers went down, so it sounds like he could use the money right now. Havent heard back yet.

Griffith: was going to build the multipool, and then moved to another state to take another job, and doesnt have anything setup to code right now. It sounds like about a week before he will be setup again.

So if someone knows of someone that can build a multipool, I have the backend servers and a private fiber optic network, I just need it coded.

As far as uniqueness goes, what made fly unique was the "Antidump" system. That ended up being a "double edged sword". Yes, it provided safety from dumpage, and it also caused MAJOR technical headaches that in the end, it HAD to be removed. So, it does prove that I can be very creative. I have loads of ideas, the problem , is if my idea is so far out there, people might think "ohh here we go again, with more crashing wallets". So, I need to be very careful about what extreme new technologies I implement. So, thats why I am asking you guys what technologies you like in other coins, that are proven already , so we can look at them and adopt them. To focus on fly, I sold off all my other coins, so I dont follow all the coins like I was. I know many of you do. Thats why I need to jumpstart a discussion. So far Vcash is looking good. A very scaled down version of HODL and timelock is possible too.

Ultimately, What I want to do is take all of your favorite technologies from the different coins, and roll them into one. Imagine a "swiss army knife" of coins. It has POSP, it has Vcash, and HODL, and Timelock, a built in chat system in the wallet, with real time prices in wallet. You can choose what you want to do with the wallet. It will take YEARS of work, and that is ok, as fly is at least a 10 year project at a min.  

But where I am struggling is I need to know what technology is popular so I can add it. Please post, it only takes a few seconds.

I think what drove some people away is the troubles with the anti-dump system. I dont blame them. It will take time to restore that trust , and the word to get out that the fly wallet is working flawless. XDE2 was very controversial, and now I see, that was an erroneous choice on my part. But, XDE2 does exist, and I made a promise to continue development on that too, and I will. Fortunately, I do have the time for both. Fly ALWAYS being the primary. Lesson learned.

I Also got a PM from a long time fly user that told me the blunt truth. He was not cruel, but brutally honest. He told me that taking over XDE2 caused damage to my reputation , as I had stated fly would be my only coin. So, as hard as that was to hear, I sent a PM back thanking him. So if your not comfortable posting here, then please send a pm to me. But posting on the thread is better to jumpstart a discussion. In about a week when Griffith is setup to code , we will start coding again. Griffith has confirmed we CAN update the core of fly AND add all of these technologies WITHOUT a swap   Meanwhile lets talk about ideas. Thank you for your time.

Vegas

[midnight_miner]

... SNIP ...

  But, I look over the past few days and there is no vol on Yobit. NOT 1 COIN traded!! I thought for sure when I went to extreme lengths to prove the integrity of fly that we would have a big and active community, and this is not the case. So, Ive done the right thing over and over and over again, and 1 year later, there is no movement on the exchange. So, Ill be honest, I dont know why. Perhaps someone would be kind enough to explain why. In my mind, there is no safer place to put your money.

Vegas

Sorry Vegas & Team FLY, I was one of the ones helping to keep the volume moving on YObit, but I got annoyed with the troll coins crap going on, on YObit and lost interest trading on the site, and pretty much used up my float buying up FLY.

YObit finally put there foot down on the troll / spam coins, so I may head back to YObit for trading.

[metamorphin]

Dont misunderstood me, I am a big holder of Fly and never sold more than 70 Fly I owned over exchanges for playing a little bit!



The Flycoin!

There are some factors, which decide the way of a coin.

Fly is in fact working awesome stable now. All craps of the past are gone. I felt very sad, that we had to make the decision to kill the antidumpfee. But it was important and we would be honored with a stable wallet now. Fly has an awesome leader...very emotional, very helpful, very careful for their members; but fighting trolls kill a coin. We need them, its our duty to develop a stable core. We had a lot of forks and dramas in shortest time. But we are here. So, believe me, a new swap wouldnt hurt this coin more. Kill the polls. Yes, you can ask them for their wishes, but polls never works out, if you have a lot of enemies, who always give you contra for your ideas! Believe me, kill this polls in the hard times to give trolls no food.

Now the roadmap: I talked with few devs about changing fly, but all wanna CASH. BTC. I understood them, because they also have to survive and pay bills. So, the only way you can go right now, is, to take the time you have right now, and write about fly. Read about stuff from different coins. Learn, how they manage it, how they could survive even the long periods, where they were alone.

Vegas, I know, you have enough power and the heart on the right side. Lets go through the hard times and develop step by step new features for FLYCOIN. We dont wanna invest much money or btc in devs? Lets invest time! We have to go the hard way and wait for donations or speak with enthusiastical devs! They will incoming, if you follow the rules of cryptoworld.

FLYCOIN is a strong name. It sounds so unique. And never forget, you are a partner of Europecoin and the Federated Blockchain mission. This is a treasure of the future. Never forget this. Work it out to let this partnership growing from a little plant to a huge tree!

Greetz
Steve
 

[dennislevy]

Update: I just looked over Vcash, and its very messy and confusing. The dev hardly posts. He has a horrible trust rating. This is an idea, and simply an idea, rebrand to "Vegas coin". I would promote to the gambling sites that I do not own or control to adopt the coin. I simply update the coin and promote it, but would not ever have a gambling site that I own. If you guys like this idea, then I would begin talks again with the original starter of Vegas coin. What do you guys think?

Vegas

Vegas Coin is still alive and kicking! Unbelievable , but true. Since, Cryptopia, dropped them, they are on a new exchange:
https://novaexchange.com/market/BTC_VGC/ Also B.Yates has domain http://vegascoin.co still up and running.
Though, still could create a new coin with a similar name? Actually, Vegas Coin had a really good idea. Just never followed through
to see it's full potential. NO! we do not want another hostile takeover, either. Multi-mining pool, probably not a good idea either.
As most miners want cash, and or BTC for their mining effort. The only ones that would want Fly for their effort. Would come only
from this small community. From active members from above poll, maybe 30+? And some of us are not miners. If we were a
larger community, then that would be more feasibly. At least we would get more trading volume, and increase the price.
I have thought of a really unique concept, that no other crypto coin has, but need to think it through more. Before presenting this idea
to the community.

Peace, Dennis

[midnight_miner]

Update: I just looked over Vcash, and its very messy and confusing. The dev hardly posts. He has a horrible trust rating. This is an idea, and simply an idea, rebrand to "Vegas coin". I would promote to the gambling sites that I do not own or control to adopt the coin. I simply update the coin and promote it, but would not ever have a gambling site that I own. If you guys like this idea, then I would begin talks again with the original starter of Vegas coin. What do you guys think?

Vegas

... SNIP ...
 Multi-mining pool, probably not a good idea either.
As most miners want cash, and or BTC for their mining effort. The only ones that would want Fly for their effort. Would come only
from this small community. From active members from above poll, maybe 30+? And some of us are not miners. If we were a
larger community, then that would be more feasibly. At least we would get more trading volume, and increase the price.
I have thought of a really unique concept, that no other crypto coin has, but need to think it through more. Before presenting this idea
to the community.

Peace, Dennis

You make a very good point about the Multi-Pool.  Unless Vegas/Griffith plans a Multi-pool with other coin options.  Building a Multi-pool that only pays out in one coin is definitely limiting your market.  Also takes time to build a large enough mining pool to generate blocks on popular coins, unless you go p2pool.  This make offers attractive pay-out options key.