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May 07, 2018, 03:49:45 AM
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Well, you can use any coin and instantly say  : Bought X for $19.52 from Joe's Crib
   (and capture the data)   

  as a bus setup you would NOT be using the Stealth Address system, so its going to show.

if you spend any coin, you would just convert it into your country's value at that moment.
    if the coin spent was inclusive, then that includes the VAT /tax crap too.

Just harder to calculate out, but its all there.   I make profits, that I have to tell the irs that i made..

but its hard to prove that i made anything.   (not sure why they do it  that way)



correct.
you just record the relevant USD/fiat price in XVG on the day you used it to pay.
you probably also keep a similar record of the date and USD/fiat value when you bought XVG.

of course another question is why you would need a privacy coin in the first place as a business.

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Just thought about that trafficjunky deal. If i'am correctly informed traffic junky controls the porn ads, not? If this is the case the majority (if not all) users are companies launching ad campaigns.
If i'am correct with the above than XVG will have about 0 impact on it. It doesn't make sense to use XVG for a company to pay whatever bill since you can not write it off (taxes).
While it sounds good i doubt that this deal will have whatever influence on XVG price.

Even when i am also not sure, if this is such a big news, i still wonder why a company should not be able to write down things they paid with cryptocurrencies? It doesnt matter how you pay. I have a business too. And if i pay a bill with cryptos it is exactly the same as if i had paid it in Euro or Dollar...
In my opinion you could make this a much bigger deal, if you would offer a discount when paying with verge. So you could big companies give a stimulation to buy verge and pay with it.

Actually right now it's not like that. How are you calculating VAT in crypto? And even more important how are you going to declare VAT in crypto, write offs in crypto to the tax departement?
Next thing is the profit/lose calculation. What are you going to write on your companies busines declaration? Spent 20.000 XVG for advertising? And how are you than fiting this against the USD, Euro or whatever profit calculation. Maybe there are some ways i'am not aware of, but in my european country at this moment this is for sure not possible.

Even one step further. Let's say you deal as a company only with crypto. You make 100.000 XVG profit and 40.000 XVG lose, you have to pay corporate tax on 60k XVG. So you are going to pay your tax departement for example 10k XVG? It's not that easy when it comes to companies and enterprises and taxes as you might think it is.

I'am far away to say there is no solution for it, but i'am not aware of one. Would be interesting to see if someone has, whatever country, a solution for this or how such cases would be handled. Just out of curiousity.

I live in europe. I have to make all my declarations in euro. And i have to make all my payments to government in euro. So for me it is the same if i pay a bill in USD or in crypto. I have to calculate how much euro are these cryptos/dollars. I can of course not write a bill or get a bill in crypto. But i can get a bill for lets say 1000€ and if the company that wrote the bill accepts crypto i pay them in crypto. But as mentioned, it is the same if i get a USD invoice. I have to calculate how much euro are this. I could also write a bill for 100€ + 19€ VAT, and then i accept getting the value of 119€ in crypto.
I could also pay with or be paid in gold or whatever... It doesnt matter...
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May 07, 2018, 04:23:07 AM
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Just thought about that trafficjunky deal. If i'am correctly informed traffic junky controls the porn ads, not? If this is the case the majority (if not all) users are companies launching ad campaigns.
If i'am correct with the above than XVG will have about 0 impact on it. It doesn't make sense to use XVG for a company to pay whatever bill since you can not write it off (taxes).
While it sounds good i doubt that this deal will have whatever influence on XVG price.

Even when i am also not sure, if this is such a big news, i still wonder why a company should not be able to write down things they paid with cryptocurrencies? It doesnt matter how you pay. I have a business too. And if i pay a bill with cryptos it is exactly the same as if i had paid it in Euro or Dollar...
In my opinion you could make this a much bigger deal, if you would offer a discount when paying with verge. So you could big companies give a stimulation to buy verge and pay with it.

Actually right now it's not like that. How are you calculating VAT in crypto? And even more important how are you going to declare VAT in crypto, write offs in crypto to the tax departement?
Next thing is the profit/lose calculation. What are you going to write on your companies busines declaration? Spent 20.000 XVG for advertising? And how are you than fiting this against the USD, Euro or whatever profit calculation. Maybe there are some ways i'am not aware of, but in my european country at this moment this is for sure not possible.

Even one step further. Let's say you deal as a company only with crypto. You make 100.000 XVG profit and 40.000 XVG lose, you have to pay corporate tax on 60k XVG. So you are going to pay your tax departement for example 10k XVG? It's not that easy when it comes to companies and enterprises and taxes as you might think it is.

I'am far away to say there is no solution for it, but i'am not aware of one. Would be interesting to see if someone has, whatever country, a solution for this or how such cases would be handled. Just out of curiousity.

I live in europe. I have to make all my declarations in euro. And i have to make all my payments to government in euro. So for me it is the same if i pay a bill in USD or in crypto. I have to calculate how much euro are these cryptos/dollars. I can of course not write a bill or get a bill in crypto. But i can get a bill for lets say 1000€ and if the company that wrote the bill accepts crypto i pay them in crypto. But as mentioned, it is the same if i get a USD invoice. I have to calculate how much euro are this. I could also write a bill for 100€ + 19€ VAT, and then i accept getting the value of 119€ in crypto.
I could also pay with or be paid in gold or whatever... It doesnt matter...

important is to keep the exact value on the date the transaction has been processed since the crypto price is heavily volatile. but i guess you keep this info.

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May 07, 2018, 06:09:48 AM
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I've been into different industry on the internet, doing website design and development. I have known for a fact that all new technology or applications and designs always comes first on the porn industry. I was able to design some arts on the porn industry and I'll say, they really have a great imagination on graphics effect. That's why I think verge venture of accepting the coin to be used on pornhub is a great first step move. Soon, all industry will realize the great benefit of using verge. I salute the devs and marketing.

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How will Japan cracking down on privacy coins effect Verge and other cryptocurrencies?

https://bestcrypto.tv/1052/japan-cracks-down-on-crypto-exchanges-and-privacy-coins/
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May 07, 2018, 08:07:35 AM
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How will Japan cracking down on privacy coins effect Verge and other cryptocurrencies?

https://bestcrypto.tv/1052/japan-cracks-down-on-crypto-exchanges-and-privacy-coins/

Decentralized Exchanges will solve a lot of issues such as this.

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May 07, 2018, 10:15:19 AM
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I can't synchronize for several days (Windows Tor QT Wallet v4.0.2). The synchronization process begins, proceeding slowly for several hours and then stops. How can I force the QT wallet to finally download all blocks?

I have a problem
Wallet sync has not been completed in 10 days
Is there a solution to speed up the synchronization process
yeah, you can download the blockchain from vergecurrency.de or cryptochainer.com

but if it hasnt completed in 10 days, there is something gravely wrong with your internet lol

I guess there's something wrong with Verge wallets. Many other cryptocurrencies are OK on my PCs in different locations... Even XSPEC (TOR-based, similarly with VERGE).

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I can't synchronize for several days (Windows Tor QT Wallet v4.0.2). The synchronization process begins, proceeding slowly for several hours and then stops. How can I force the QT wallet to finally download all blocks?

I have a problem
Wallet sync has not been completed in 10 days
Is there a solution to speed up the synchronization process
yeah, you can download the blockchain from vergecurrency.de or cryptochainer.com

but if it hasnt completed in 10 days, there is something gravely wrong with your internet lol

I guess there's something wrong with Verge wallets. Many other cryptocurrencies are OK on my PCs in different locations... Even XSPEC (TOR-based, similarly with VERGE).

Same here. I tired fighting with XVG wallets... grea coin but awfull wallets. All other coins wallets are ok but Verge...  Angry
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May 07, 2018, 11:04:33 AM
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correct.
you just record the relevant USD/fiat price in XVG on the day you used it to pay.
you probably also keep a similar record of the date and USD/fiat value when you bought XVG.

of course another question is why you would need a privacy coin in the first place as a business.

And miners do what? They do not buy XVG, but mine them.
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May 07, 2018, 12:32:24 PM
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a miner would base their price off current market too.

    Minus costs.  (electric/unit)


Business using a stealth coin....    Dont forget, theres a SETTING for that.

    So, a business using verge, doesnt use the Stealth aspect.  simple.


its the best of both worlds.   Made usable by either type of person/usage.

You can argue both sides  of several discussions.
   I could mention them... but its more interesting to discuss them when they come up.

 

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May 07, 2018, 02:25:23 PM
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Same here. I tired fighting with XVG wallets... grea coin but awfull wallets. All other coins wallets are ok but Verge...  Angry

Mist ethereum wallet is hard to sync too...

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May 07, 2018, 07:49:59 PM
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Very cool coin. I use for translation because very small commissions + anonymity and support from large exchanges.
There is still growth potential.
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May 07, 2018, 08:24:53 PM
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TrafficJunky to Begin Accepting Verge Cryptocurrency on Monday, May 7th
MONTREAL, May 4 2018 – Advertising network TrafficJunky will start accepting Verge cryptocurrency as a payment method as of next Monday, May 7th.
The move comes only a few weeks after Pornhub—, which is a part of the TrafficJunky network of sites-announced they would be allowing users to pay for features using Verge coin. 
Verified advertisers will be able to fund their accounts using Verge and tap into the TrafficJunky network which serves over four billion daily impressions. 
“Pornhub announced they’d be accepting Verge a little over two weeks ago and it was only a matter of time before we followed suit,” explains Rabih Boulmona, TrafficJunky’s Product and Operations Manager. 
Boulmona also mentions his team is “excited to provide yet another convenient and safe method of payment our members can benefit from.” 
Advertisers can find out more about payments using cryptocurrency by contacting their dedicated account manager in order to get the option enabled on their profiles. 
 
About TrafficJunky
TrafficJunky is a leading online advertising network offering advertisers large volumes of quality web, mobile and tablet traffic while helping publishers maximize their online inventory revenue.

https://www.trafficjunky.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/TrafficJunky-Now-Accepting-Verge.pdf

Just thought about that trafficjunky deal. If i'am correctly informed traffic junky controls the porn ads, not? If this is the case the majority (if not all) users are companies launching ad campaigns.
If i'am correct with the above than XVG will have about 0 impact on it. It doesn't make sense to use XVG for a company to pay whatever bill since you can not write it off (taxes).
While it sounds good i doubt that this deal will have whatever influence on XVG price.

This is first step from Mindgeek to start enforcing adoption of XVG as universal payment method.THey used something similar before and noone in porn was paying in USD, but in virtual currency, but banks put a stop on it.Go read a bit about porn industry and how they use to pay actors, models, services, marketing, etc...
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May 07, 2018, 08:33:57 PM
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I can't synchronize for several days (Windows Tor QT Wallet v4.0.2). The synchronization process begins, proceeding slowly for several hours and then stops. How can I force the QT wallet to finally download all blocks?

I have a problem
Wallet sync has not been completed in 10 days
Is there a solution to speed up the synchronization process
yeah, you can download the blockchain from vergecurrency.de or cryptochainer.com

but if it hasnt completed in 10 days, there is something gravely wrong with your internet lol

I guess there's something wrong with Verge wallets. Many other cryptocurrencies are OK on my PCs in different locations... Even XSPEC (TOR-based, similarly with VERGE).

Same here. I tired fighting with XVG wallets... grea coin but awfull wallets. All other coins wallets are ok but Verge...  Angry


I just compiled the source code (Linux Ubuntu), downloaded a bootstrap (2.4 GB). Currently it's importing the blockchain from disk, been running about an hour now and 200mb completed, gonna be a slow process for sure.

Also, is anyone familiar with setting up VERGE to work through Tor + Obfs4proxy ? Any assistance would be appreciated.

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Very cool coin. I use for translation because very small commissions + anonymity and support from large exchanges.
There is still growth potential.

Same here, very fast transactions and low fees make it a great coin for moving things around and when you add anonymity it's a win-win.Needs a bit more improvement when it comes to wallets, but overall I'm pretty satisfied with Verge despite all the FUD.
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sorry, maybe I do not understand something, but at the beginning of this branch there is a vote, tell me, are not these two coins the same?

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sorry, maybe I do not understand something, but at the beginning of this branch there is a vote, tell me, are not these two coins the same?

Yup.   lets just look at is, like an inside joke Smiley


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I like Verge im one of the holders i believe that it will moon soon, so HODL
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May 07, 2018, 10:03:24 PM
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How will Japan cracking down on privacy coins effect Verge and other cryptocurrencies?

https://bestcrypto.tv/1052/japan-cracks-down-on-crypto-exchanges-and-privacy-coins/

Decentralized Exchanges will solve a lot of issues such as this.
Yes if there will be decentralized exchanges then no one have to care about any crack down. many things happen in the history against crypto and many people escaped because of their fear from this field but still you can see that this field is on the way to develop more and is increasing more and more. There is success in crypto coins and the future is all relying on it for their businesses.

 
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Verge Is Aggressively Pursuing PayPal/Venmo - https://yeenot.today/catalog/news/206
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