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[ILuckyGuyI]

TDLR steward dismissed the appel from Redbull against Hamilton for the "weak" penalty for the accident caused 2 weeks ago.

Source: https://twitter.com/MercedesAMGF1/status/1420814770597466118

It didn't make me surprised. I wasn't expecting an extra penalty for the incident. Maybe Hamilton caused the incident, maybe not. But I'm sure of one thing that he really deserved to win the race with his huge effort. He came back from a huge gap and managed to win. Leclerc had nothing to do against him I'm afraid.

[Juggy777]

TDLR steward dismissed the appel from Redbull against Hamilton for the "weak" penalty for the accident caused 2 weeks ago.

Source: https://twitter.com/MercedesAMGF1/status/1420814770597466118

It didn't make me surprised. I wasn't expecting an extra penalty for the incident. Maybe Hamilton caused the incident, maybe not. But I'm sure of one thing that he really deserved to win the race with his huge effort. He came back from a huge gap and managed to win. Leclerc had nothing to do against him I'm afraid.

@ILuckyGuyI this was just a mind game tactic to intimidate Hamilton, but such a petty trick didn’t work and it’s a fair decision in my personal opinion. Also Hamilton showed that it’s foolishness to count him out a race till it’s over, hence I feel that he may keep fighting for the title till the very end.

[Koal-84]

It's good that the affair between Hamilton and Verstappen is finally over.

This weekend, motorsport finally gets back underway with the Formula 1 race in Hungary. The track in Hungary is a rather slow circuit and should suit the Red Bull, possibly also the Ferrari. But only Verstappen or Hamilton have a chance of winning?

[Cnut237]

I this was just a mind game tactic to intimidate Hamilton, but such a petty trick didn’t work and it’s a fair decision in my personal opinion. Also Hamilton showed that it’s foolishness to count him out a race till it’s over, hence I feel that he may keep fighting for the title till the very end.

Yes, as expected there was no new evidence, and the appeal was dismissed. Red Bull aren't stupid and must have known this would happen... in which case, why do it? Perhaps they were trying mind games on Hamilton, or just trying to support Max. It didn't seem to work on Hamilton, who remained uninvolved and seems more focused on Hungary's gender/homosexuality laws this week.

The whole response has been weird. Hamilton was judged 'predominantly' to blame by the stewards when it happened... they are very precise with their wording, and predominantly is not wholly. It was perfectly evident to anyone watching that Max simply tried to take Lewis out. There have been many other overtakes at this corner, and no other driver does this kamikaze cut in. Foolishness is an important word, too. Regardless of the extent to which Hamilton was judged at fault, the fact remains that Max could have avoided the crash, protected his championship lead, and in all probability have overtaken Lewis later on to even win the race. Instead he refused to give an inch, and decided that he would take the racing line regardless of whether or not there was already another car in his way. Even if the stewards had said Lewis was totally to blame, Max could still have chosen to avoid the crash.

It's good that the affair between Hamilton and Verstappen is finally over.

I'm not sure it is over. I don't think Max is mature enough to let this go. He's a great driver, and very fast, but this weekend will be a big test of his professionalism.

[coinlocket$]

Welcome back to one of the most boring track ever 
Session 1 is done, and BRB is still ahead.


Pos   Driver   Nat.   Team   Time
1   Max Verstappen   NED   Red Bull Racing   1m17.555s
2   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m17.616s
3   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m17.722s
4   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow   1m18.115s
5   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda   1m18.181s
6   Fernando Alonso   CHI   Alpine F1 Team   1m18.385s
7   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow   1m18.391s
8   Sergio Perez   MEX   Red Bull Racing   1m18.466s
9   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m18.649s
10   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Cognizant Formula One Team   1m18.755s
11   Esteban Ocon   FRA   Alpine F1 Team   1m18.765s
12   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda   1m18.770s
13   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Cognizant Formula One Team   1m18.989s
14   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m19.265s
15   George Russell   ISR   Williams Racing   1m19.724s
16   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m19.824s
17   Mick Schumacher   GER   Uralkali Haas F1 Team   1m20.383s
18   Robert Kubica   POL   Alfa Romeo Racing Orlen   1m20.639s
19   Nikita Mazepin   RUS   Uralkali Haas F1 Team   1m20.992s
20   Antonio Giovinazzi   GBR   Alfa Romeo Racing Orlen   1m21.889s

Source: https://www.crash.net/f1/feature/983759/1/f1-2021-hungarian-grand-prix-free-practice-results-1

[tokeweed]

Wtf?  It’s a race weekend?    I thought it was going to be next week!  But anyway...  This race is going to be good!  Let’s see how Hamilton and Verstappen go at it vs one another.  

Edit:  And here’s the results for FP2.  Both Merc drivers lead with Bottas at first.  Hamilton prolly just sandbagging.  Lolol.

2021 F1 Hungarian GP FP2 Results

1   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m17.012s
2   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m17.039s
3   Max Verstappen   NED   Red Bull Racing   1m17.310s
4   Esteban Ocon   FRA   Alpine F1 Team   1m17.759s
5   Sergio Perez   MEX   Red Bull Racing   1m17.824s
6   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda   1m18.113s
7   Fernando Alonso   CHI   Alpine F1 Team   1m18.169s
8   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Cognizant Formula One Team   1m18.228s
9   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m18.313s
10   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Cognizant Formula One Team   1m18.320s
11   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow   1m18.370s
12   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow   1m18.441s
13   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m18.737s
14   Kimi Raikkonen   FIN   Alfa Romeo Racing Orlen   1m19.277s
15   George Russell   ISR   Williams Racing   1m19.292s
16   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m19.479s
17   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda   1m19.671s
18   Mick Schumacher   GER   Uralkali Haas F1 Team   1m19.817s
19   Antonio Giovinazzi   GBR   Alfa Romeo Racing Orlen   1m20.186s
20   Nikita Mazepin   RUS   Uralkali Haas F1 Team   1m21.881s

[boltz]

Uhm , I wouldn't not call Hungarian circuit a boring one as we had some really nice fights here in the last years so maybe we have the chance to see another good one Sunday.

I saw the FP2 and it looked like Mercedes came with something new as the car was much more balanced but I still don't see them winning the race just because in the last years RedBull with a weaker car always had some epic battles here and wins. Now , with a better car than last year, Verstappen should be on pole-position and also win the race.

[coinlocket$]

Uhm , I wouldn't not call Hungarian circuit a boring one as we had some really nice fights here in the last years so maybe we have the chance to see another good one Sunday.

I saw the FP2 and it looked like Mercedes came with something new as the car was much more balanced but I still don't see them winning the race just because in the last years RedBull with a weaker car always had some epic battles here and wins. Now , with a better car than last year, Verstappen should be on pole-position and also win the race.

Are you sure ?
I can't remember a fun Gp in Hungary ever and I watch F1 for more than 20 years now.

Anyway look at the weather Sainz said, are they expecting rain?

[AndySt]

Uhm , I wouldn't not call Hungarian circuit a boring one as we had some really nice fights here in the last years so maybe we have the chance to see another good one Sunday.
I saw the FP2 and it looked like Mercedes came with something new as the car was much more balanced but I still don't see them winning the race just because in the last years RedBull with a weaker car always had some epic battles here and wins. Now , with a better car than last year, Verstappen should be on pole-position and also win the race.

Are you sure ?
I can't remember a fun Gp in Hungary ever and I watch F1 for more than 20 years now.
Anyway look at the weather Sainz said, are they expecting rain?

By themselves, the recent events between Hamilton and Verstappen promise a fun Grand Prix Another question is that it is impossible to speculate in advance whether this scenario will come true. There is no doubt that if both cars have similar speed characteristics, then bright events are waiting for us, because after all that has happened, neither Hamilton nor Verstappen will give way to each other even if they are wrong. But if some car will have an overwhelming advantage, then we can really see a rather boring race. Therefore, we will hope for a sharp fight between the leaders and that the second numbers of the teams will also interfere in the fight. At the very least, Bottas needs to prove his need for the team before the end of the summer.

[CLS63]

According to the FP1 and FP2 results, Bottas seems to be very assertive in this event. We have the FP3 and the qualifying session tomorrow. And I feel like Bottas will take the pole position or end the session at the 2nd place. But I would really like to see Verstappen taking the pole. If he manages to do it, I think it's very likely that he can win the race also. And he really needs this win after the last incidents in the Britain GP.

[Koal-84]

It's good that the affair between Hamilton and Verstappen is finally over.

I'm not sure it is over. I don't think Max is mature enough to let this go. He's a great driver, and very fast, but this weekend will be a big test of his professionalism.

The fight for the world championship is not over, of course, but the disputes over the accident are now officially closed.

Uhm , I wouldn't not call Hungarian circuit a boring one as we had some really nice fights here in the last years so maybe we have the chance to see another good one Sunday.

I saw the FP2 and it looked like Mercedes came with something new as the car was much more balanced but I still don't see them winning the race just because in the last years RedBull with a weaker car always had some epic battles here and wins. Now , with a better car than last year, Verstappen should be on pole-position and also win the race.

Are you sure ?
I can't remember a fun Gp in Hungary ever and I watch F1 for more than 20 years now.

Anyway look at the weather Sainz said, are they expecting rain?

I'm with you, the Hungarian Grand Prix has been boring the last few years, with almost no overtaking and a slow pace. Possibly a change of weather will make the Grand Prix interesting this weekend.

[Cnut237]

The fight for the world championship is not over, of course, but the disputes over the accident are now officially closed.

Yeah, of course. I just meant that whilst the official investigation is over, the fallout from the crash will no doubt continue for a while. I'm very interested to see how Max responds this weekend, and whether he takes a more measured approach the next time he comes head to head with Lewis.
Max is of course still the championship favourite, but he could become destabilised as the sport is mental as well as physical; he does seem to still be fixated on the incident, and feels aggrieved. This weekend is key. For him to maintain his championship advantage, he needs to remain cool. He is more mature now than a few years ago, but this is a crucial learning point in his first championship fight. It may get nasty, as with Hamilton/Rosberg.

[Koal-84]

The fight for the world championship is not over, of course, but the disputes over the accident are now officially closed.

Yeah, of course. I just meant that whilst the official investigation is over, the fallout from the crash will no doubt continue for a while. I'm very interested to see how Max responds this weekend, and whether he takes a more measured approach the next time he comes head to head with Lewis.
Max is of course still the championship favourite, but he could become destabilised as the sport is mental as well as physical; he does seem to still be fixated on the incident, and feels aggrieved. This weekend is key. For him to maintain his championship advantage, he needs to remain cool. He is more mature now than a few years ago, but this is a crucial learning point in his first championship fight. It may get nasty, as with Hamilton/Rosberg.

I also had to think about the Hamilton vs. Rosberg battle, Rosberg once said it is very difficult to fight with Hamilton for the world championship, so not only on the track but also in the head. That's why he retired after his world championship title. Hamilton will do everything possible to get Verstappen off the track and that with all possibilities that might not be completely fair.

[coinlocket$]

free practice 3 done, Ferrari is close but not so much sadly, only the rain can change the order.

1   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m16.826s
2   Max Verstappen   NED   Red Bull Racing   1m16.914s
3   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m17.055s
4   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow   1m17.497s
5   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow   1m17.520s
6   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m17.772s
7   Sergio Perez   MEX   Red Bull Racing   1m17.917s
8   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m17.942s
9   Fernando Alonso   CHI   Alpine F1 Team   1m17.992s
10   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Cognizant Formula One Team   1m18.050s
11   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda   1m18.115s
12   Esteban Ocon   FRA   Alpine F1 Team   1m18.174s
13   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Cognizant Formula One Team   1m18.235s
14   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda   1m18.461s
15   Kimi Raikkonen   FIN   Alfa Romeo Racing Orlen   1m18.683s
16   George Russell   ISR   Williams Racing   1m18.794s
17   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m18.821s
18   Antonio Giovinazzi   GBR   Alfa Romeo Racing Orlen   1m19.113s
19   Mick Schumacher   GER   Uralkali Haas F1 Team   1m19.406s
20   Nikita Mazepin   RUS   Uralkali Haas F1 Team   1m19.933s

Source: https://www.crash.net/f1/results/983861/1/f1-2021-hungarian-grand-prix-free-practice-results-3

[tokeweed]

Yup it now really feels like 2018 all over again.  Lol.  But we’ll see what happens in the race tomorrow.  First few laps will obv be crucial for Verstappen.  He’s gonna start with the soft tire so that’s two pit stops.  Hamilton will start with the mediums, prolly just one pit stop depending on how they react to RBR.

2021 F1 Hungarian GP Qualifying Results

1   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m16.424s   1m16.553s   1m15.419s
2   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m16.569s   1m16.702s   1m15.734s
3   Max Verstappen   NED   Red Bull Racing   1m16.214s   1m15.650s   1m15.840s
4   Sergio Perez   MEX   Red Bull Racing   1m17.233s   1m16.443s   1m16.421s
5   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda   1m16.874s   1m16.394s   1m16.483s
6   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m17.081s   1m16.385s   1m16.489s
7   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow   1m17.084s   1m16.574s   1m16.496s
8   Esteban Ocon   FRA   Alpine F1 Team   1m17.367s   1m16.766s   1m16.653s
9   Fernando Alonso   ESP   Alpine F1 Team   1m17.123s   1m16.541s   1m16.715s
10   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Cognizant Formula One Team   1m17.105s   1m16.794s   1m16.750s
11   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m17.664s   1m16.871s   
12   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Cognizant Formula One Team   1m17.038s   1m16.893s   
13   Kimi Raikkonen   FIN   Alfa Romeo Racing Orlen   1m17.553s   1m17.564s   
14   Antonio Giovinazzi   ITA   Alfa Romeo Racing Orlen   1m17.776s   1m17.583s   
15   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow   1m16.649s   No Time Set   
16   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda   1m17.919s       
17   George Russell   GBR   Williams Racing   1m17.944s       
18   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m18.036s       
19   Nikita Mazepin   RUS   Uralkali Haas F1 Team   1m18.922s       
20   Mick Schumacher   GER   Uralkali Haas F1 Team           

[DIA7]

Yup it now really feels like 2018 all over again.  Lol.  But we’ll see what happens in the race tomorrow.  First few laps will obv be crucial for Verstappen.  He’s gonna start with the soft tire so that’s two pit stops.  Hamilton will start with the mediums, prolly just one pit stop depending on how they react to RBR.
           

Hamilton qualified at the first attempt in the third period of testing. In the second attempt, the condition of the track changed and Verstappen was the only one who managed to improve his time, but he was not enough to advance further.
But Verstappen will start Sunday's race using a different strategy than the Mercedes pair. Verstappen will start the race on soft tires against medium for Hamilton and Bottas.
It will be interesting to see if Red Bull goes for one stop soft to hard for the rest of the race but they say there is a chance to have rain so that can mix things up and as always Red Bull made a mistake that prevented Perez from making his second attempt by delaying to inform the Mexican driver that testing was over before he crossed the starting line. But the Austrian team was fortunate that the other drivers did not improve their times.

[tokeweed]

^  I’m not really sure why but that first attempt by Hamilton at Q3 was def a perfect lap.  Hamilton came out fastest in all sectors with those soft tires.  But he’s starting with the mediums and Verstappen the softs.  So Verstappen prolly has a chance on going up a couple of notches before going for that first pit stop.

[Koal-84]

Yup it now really feels like 2018 all over again.  Lol.  But we’ll see what happens in the race tomorrow.  First few laps will obv be crucial for Verstappen.  He’s gonna start with the soft tire so that’s two pit stops.  Hamilton will start with the mediums, prolly just one pit stop depending on how they react to RBR.   

For me it's a very surprising result, I didn't think that Mercedes is so strong in Hungary, even Bottas is ahead of Verstappen. Were there any updates at Mercedes after the break?

Now I am even more curious about the race, although the Hungarian track is rather boring and overtaking is almost impossible, without weather influence or safty car the race will end like the qualifying.

[boltz]

It was surprising for me as well but it was due to the temperature on the circuit that made the cars slower so those times couldn't be beat even if Max was catching a super time in that lap which did not happen for both Hamilton and Max.

Tomorrow race will be another story as there is some high chances for a storm on the racing time and Hungaroring on water would bring some chaos with those tight corners. Who do you count on guys ? Max , Ham ? Or could Bottas or Perez surprise us ?

[coinlocket$]

It was surprising for me as well but it was due to the temperature on the circuit that made the cars slower so those times couldn't be beat even if Max was catching a super time in that lap which did not happen for both Hamilton and Max.

Tomorrow race will be another story as there is some high chances for a storm on the racing time and Hungaroring on water would bring some chaos with those tight corners. Who do you count on guys ? Max , Ham ? Or could Bottas or Perez surprise us ?

I was also hearing about this rain forecast for the race and Sainz was also talking about it but looking among the forecast in the worst or best case (depending on the point of view) it will cloudy with a maximum of 20% rain.

Even if it rains it will be a fight between MAX and Lewis but at least it will be fun.