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[minairia3]

What a mistake from Lando Norris he threw away his first victory in formula one.
Fun race especially in the end with a deserved podium for Sainz.
Bottas is a ghost.

Norris definitely gambled big and lost, I'm sure he was hoping the rain would let up, but he didn't get his wish. Otherwise, it was once again an exciting race with the rain coming down. The driver of the day for me was definitely Verstappen, more was simply not possible with his starting position, respect for 2nd place.

I'm amazed by how much Verstappen has overcome after getting penalties after penalties and starting at the last grid. I am a Mercedes and Hamilton fan and I hope Hamilton can keep the pressure up and maybe Norris falls and he gets the win. But I have to admit that this has been a great show by Norris, he is doing good. But all in all, I think if Hamilton can keep the pressure on, he might take over Norris.

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I'm amazed by how much Verstappen has overcome after getting penalties after penalties and starting at the last grid. I am a Mercedes and Hamilton fan and I hope Hamilton can keep the pressure up and maybe Norris falls and he gets the win. But I have to admit that this has been a great show by Norris, he is doing good. But all in all, I think if Hamilton can keep the pressure on, he might take over Norris.

This is a track where you can do it, like Verstappen Leclerc too did a lot of overtakes but in the end he gambled like Norris with slick tires in the rain, and like Norris he got punished, he tried the big Jolly but he failed.

[LTU_btc]

Lol driver of the day:  Lando Norris. 

Yeah, it looked a bit weird to give such award after what happened in final laps. But it's because he got most of votes before rain start. But after all, Verstappen deserved this award most. And this race will be good lesson for Lando that he have to listen what his team is telling for him.

Bottas is a ghost.

Is it good or bad thing lol?

[swogerino]

What a mistake from Lando Norris he threw away his first victory in formula one.
Fun race especially in the end with a deserved podium for Sainz.
Bottas is a ghost.

Norris definitely gambled big and lost, I'm sure he was hoping the rain would let up, but he didn't get his wish. Otherwise, it was once again an exciting race with the rain coming down. The driver of the day for me was definitely Verstappen, more was simply not possible with his starting position, respect for 2nd place.

I'm amazed by how much Verstappen has overcome after getting penalties after penalties and starting at the last grid. I am a Mercedes and Hamilton fan and I hope Hamilton can keep the pressure up and maybe Norris falls and he gets the win. But I have to admit that this has been a great show by Norris, he is doing good. But all in all, I think if Hamilton can keep the pressure on, he might take over Norris.

I don't think Verstappen deserves the driver of the day title today because him as many others was helped a lot by the rain.If rain would have not fallen those last minutes Verstappen should have been stuck in 6th or 7th position,after his first pit stop he was having a lot of difficulties so he got 2nd only because of the rain,I doubt he would have overtaken a lot of the 5 or 6 drivers he had in his way.

Lando can be forgiven as he is young and lacks the experience in such situations,he posted a "heartbroken" post in Instagram but yeah it was because of him not listening to the team that he ended up 7th from 1st.

[justdimin]

We got really interesting results after the qualifying but I still think that Hamilton will win this race.

Very weak performance from Hamilton in qualifying. This race was a huge opportunity for him, and he's not doing himself any favours at the moment. Normally he is very strong and doesn't drop points or positions easily... but today he has put himself in a weaker position than he should have been.

I feel like Hamilton didn't even care about the qualifying all that much. He knows that he has easily the best car for this track and he gets to race only few worse cars ahead of him, so finishing 4th means nothing to him at all. Dude could be racing at the first position literally after few turns, of course that depends on how he takes off from start and how others do it as well but he does have that chance to be first after the very first few turns.

If he fails that, he could take them out one by one each lap as well and I doubt anyone can keep him behind for a long time on this track. Verstappen is not as gone as people imagine though, sure he has a very very slim chance of being first unless something insanely unexpected happens, but he could at least fight for a podium, and I know from last to podium is hard as well but if anyone can do it, that is going to be Verstappen, just depends on the traffic he will face.

[Koal-84]

What a mistake from Lando Norris he threw away his first victory in formula one.
Fun race especially in the end with a deserved podium for Sainz.
Bottas is a ghost.

Norris definitely gambled big and lost, I'm sure he was hoping the rain would let up, but he didn't get his wish. Otherwise, it was once again an exciting race with the rain coming down. The driver of the day for me was definitely Verstappen, more was simply not possible with his starting position, respect for 2nd place.

I'm amazed by how much Verstappen has overcome after getting penalties after penalties and starting at the last grid. I am a Mercedes and Hamilton fan and I hope Hamilton can keep the pressure up and maybe Norris falls and he gets the win. But I have to admit that this has been a great show by Norris, he is doing good. But all in all, I think if Hamilton can keep the pressure on, he might take over Norris.

I don't think Verstappen deserves the driver of the day title today because him as many others was helped a lot by the rain.If rain would have not fallen those last minutes Verstappen should have been stuck in 6th or 7th position,after his first pit stop he was having a lot of difficulties so he got 2nd only because of the rain,I doubt he would have overtaken a lot of the 5 or 6 drivers he had in his way.

Lando can be forgiven as he is young and lacks the experience in such situations,he posted a "heartbroken" post in Instagram but yeah it was because of him not listening to the team that he ended up 7th from 1st.

That's true about Verstappen, but a bit of luck is also part of it. I think Norris and McLaren took the risk together and stayed on the track with slicks in the rain, it just didn't want to stop raining 😉.

Hamilton have the luck and don't hear at Mercedes and come one round later to the pit.

[AndySt]

I don't think Verstappen deserves the driver of the day title today because him as many others was helped a lot by the rain.If rain would have not fallen those last minutes Verstappen should have been stuck in 6th or 7th position,after his first pit stop he was having a lot of difficulties so he got 2nd only because of the rain,I doubt he would have overtaken a lot of the 5 or 6 drivers he had in his way.
Lando can be forgiven as he is young and lacks the experience in such situations,he posted a "heartbroken" post in Instagram but yeah it was because of him not listening to the team that he ended up 7th from 1st.

The share of luck and the right actions on the part of the team staff in the rain are the main ingredients of Max Verstappen's successful performance in the current race. From the great to the ridiculous, one step and Norris, because of his excessive stubbornness, was left not only without a victory, but also without a podium, deciding to play vabank. In principle, it can be understood, there were several laps left before the end of the race and he hoped to reach the finish line in the heat of the race, not wanting to waste time in the pit stop conditions. Lewis Hamilton, not without a share of luck, won his hundredth victory, with which I would like to congratulate him and continues to rewrite Formula 1 records, simultaneously returning to first place in the overall standings. The intrigue in the fight for the title continues to live and that's fine

[Koal-84]

Man, this Hamilton guy won't stop losing, will he? Lando Norris was driving almost flawlessly but maybe the rain stopped him from getting the dub. Congrats to Hamilton on this huge achievement. I think it will take decades for someone else to break his record. From what I can see, the closest current player to him is Sebastian Vettel with only 53 wins and he is nearing his retirement. The legendary Schumacher even had 93 wins in his bag and Hamilton doesn't look like he is stopping very soon. Hope he gets some more wins.

Norris lost by himself.

His team called 2 times if I can recall correctly to change his tires to Intermediate and he said no both times.
He gamble, he did not cover himself to Hamilton and he lost.

That's the point, Norris unlike Hamilton and many others stayed out and lost his race that way, Hamilton also disregarded the Mercedes pit for one lap and didn't go in, Verstappen was lucky and switched to intermediate tires before most and that earned him 2nd place, Kimi also gambled and won 8th place by switching to intermediate early.

[CLS63]

What a great race we had yesterday! After seeing the qualifying results, I already felt that the race was going to be amazing. And it was indeed. As Red Bull changed the engine of Verstappen's car and he had a 3-position grid penalty, he started from the last place to the race. He had a huge task to finish the race at an as good position as possible. Mercedes had some plans for holding Verstappen back also. They made a change in Bottas' car and he started at the 17th place. The aim was to hold Verstappen behind Bottas for as long time as possible. But Verstappen still managed to overtake him in only 5-6 laps. During the majority of the race, we watched a really nice competition between Sainz and Norris for having the lead. Norris finally overtook him after some time and started opening the gap. After the first pit stop, Hamilton started playing big and he started showing his best performance to climb the positions to even win the race. Norris had a really tough competitor for him as Hamilton climbed to the 2nd position and was following him very closely.

In the last 5-6 laps, it suddenly started raining and that was the start of an enjoyable part of the race.    Norris and Hamilton had to make a really difficulty choice. First, both of them didn't want to enter the pit lane but after one lap, it started to pour with rain and Hamilton decided to pit. However, Norris turned down the call of his team and wanted to go to the end with Hard tyres. Because he really wanted to win his first race in his career. But unfortunately, he couldn't brake at some point and Hamilton got past him and won the race also. Norris pitted at the end of the lap but after he was out, he even lost the chance of being on the podium.

And I would like to add an important thing about the race that this was Hamilton's 100th win in his career. It was a very special win for him and I'm proud of him.



I think that the driver of the day was absolutely Max Verstappen. Even if he changed his engine and started from the back of the grid, he still managed to end the race at the 2nd place which was really a huge success for him. The rain in the last laps helped him a lot to climb to this position as there was a big chaos.

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Rumor

In the following races, Hamilton will need to do what Verstappen did yesterday.
He needs to use an extra engine and start from the last position.

[Swordsoffreedom]

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I think that the driver of the day was absolutely Max Verstappen. Even if he changed his engine and started from the back of the grid, he still managed to end the race at the 2nd place which was really a huge success for him. The rain in the last laps helped him a lot to climb to this position as there was a big chaos.

I really have to appreciate how Max did this qualifying round. He had the engine penalty and also the crash penalty which accumulated in him starting in the last grid but finishing 2nd from there? That's some incredible stuff. Max has been one of my favorite drivers over the years but this was one of my favorite ones so far. Toto Wolff has said that Hamilton may have won the race but Max would be his second winner. Winning from starting in the last grid would be something phenomenal, but he did more than anyone else could have done.

[Maidak]

Rumor
In the following races, Hamilton will need to do what Verstappen did yesterday.
He needs to use an extra engine and start from the last position.

I don't think Hamilton would need that. He already has a very good car and not to mention his driving capabilities. Maybe taking a new engine now is not a very good time in my opinion. He is already doing very well with the current engine. But maybe a new engine if that's a better one will help him a bit but what I feel is why change the current one as long as it's working fine for him? Getting used to a new engine is also a thing right? So maybe changing the engine now won't be the best bet.

[Koal-84]

Rumor

In the following races, Hamilton will need to do what Verstappen did yesterday.
He needs to use an extra engine and start from the last position.

Why do you think that? Is there a serious source on this or is it just a guess for you? Even if Hamilton will overtake the rest of the field with the superior car, it would mean that he will probably lose some points to Verstappen. The good thing for us spectators is that the championship will continue to be exciting.

[AndySt]

Rumor
In the following races, Hamilton will need to do what Verstappen did yesterday.
He needs to use an extra engine and start from the last position.

I don't think Hamilton would need that. He already has a very good car and not to mention his driving capabilities. Maybe taking a new engine now is not a very good time in my opinion. He is already doing very well with the current engine. But maybe a new engine if that's a better one will help him a bit but what I feel is why change the current one as long as it's working fine for him? Getting used to a new engine is also a thing right? So maybe changing the engine now won't be the best bet.

I understand that there was some sarcasm before that Still, not every time there is such a unique situation when, due to weather conditions, the driver manages to break through from the last place to the second place of the podium and Max Verstappen was glowing with happiness after the race that everything turned out this way and Max lost a minimum of points in this situation. It all depends on whether Mercedes has a new engine available, which can provide Hamilton with an even greater advantage compared to the old version of the engine. Also, as far as I remember, Hamilton, Verstappen and Gasly changed the gearboxes on their cars in Sochi.

[Cnut237]

Rumor

In the following races, Hamilton will need to do what Verstappen did yesterday.
He needs to use an extra engine and start from the last position.

I'm going to merit that because others are disagreeing with you, but I think you are quite correct. Red Bull (both Horner and Marko) have stated that they think Hamilton will need to take another engine. Mercedes (Wolff) have refused to rule out Hamilton taking a penalty from new components, and have stated several times that every team will struggle to get through the whole season on the normal engine allocation.

Presumably if Hamilton takes a penalty, they'll try to time it as Red Bull did, so that it's either at a track where Red Bull are supremely dominant, or after a poor qualifying performance... and either way, certainly at a track where overtaking is possible.

[Kusman]

Rumor

In the following races, Hamilton will need to do what Verstappen did yesterday.
He needs to use an extra engine and start from the last position.

Why do you think that? Is there a serious source on this or is it just a guess for you? Even if Hamilton will overtake the rest of the field with the superior car, it would mean that he will probably lose some points to Verstappen. The good thing for us spectators is that the championship will continue to be exciting.

Maybe he thinks that because after the engine swap in Verstappen's car, Hamilton will be a little slower than him from now on. And he will need to swap his engine with a better one also. These little things are very important actually. Because these drivers are fighting for the title in the end. Hamilton is fighting for his 8th title and Verstappen for his first one.

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Why do you think that? Is there a serious source on this or is it just a guess for you? Even if Hamilton will overtake the rest of the field with the superior car, it would mean that he will probably lose some points to Verstappen. The good thing for us spectators is that the championship will continue to be exciting.

Yes, the source is Horner himself.

He released an interview and according to him watching what is happening on other teams with the Mercedes engine he is very sure about the usage of a 4th engine for Lewis.

""If you see how many engines Mercedes has already consumed this year, including the sister teams, I do expect them to take another penalty. But we don't know that," he said."

Source

https://www.givemesport.com/1759259-lewis-hamilton-v-max-verstappen-christian-horner-expects-briton-to-face-engine-penalty

[ILuckyGuyI]

It was one of the races that I was delighted with a lot. Honestly, I wasn't expecting the Russian GP to be this delightful after I heard that Verstappen was going to start from the last position. But after seeing the qualifying results, my hopes about this race increased. Because there was a chance for especially Norris to get his first win of his career. And he was really close to achieving it but he made a big mistake by not pitting. Maybe he would have pitted before Hamilton by making him surprised and then he would have won the race also. I liked Verstappen the most in this race as he climbed the positions one by one until reaching the 2nd position. It was really wonderful to see it.

Verstappen is only 2 points behind Hamilton now and I'm looking forward to watching the Turkish GP next weekend.

[Luzin]

Next week is the American moto GP. If Quartararo played safe, maybe his points could be overtaken. In the race before quartararo, it was like playing it safe so he didn't get the maximum points. When compared to Bagnaia Quartararo lost in points. In two races Bagnaia got 50 points while Quartararo only got 28 points in the last 2 races.

Can Quartararo win the title in America? Remember America is dominant with Marquez, there is his home. It's hard to predict.

[Koal-84]

Rumor

In the following races, Hamilton will need to do what Verstappen did yesterday.
He needs to use an extra engine and start from the last position.

Why do you think that? Is there a serious source on this or is it just a guess for you? Even if Hamilton will overtake the rest of the field with the superior car, it would mean that he will probably lose some points to Verstappen. The good thing for us spectators is that the championship will continue to be exciting.

Maybe he thinks that because after the engine swap in Verstappen's car, Hamilton will be a little slower than him from now on. And he will need to swap his engine with a better one also. These little things are very important actually. Because these drivers are fighting for the title in the end. Hamilton is fighting for his 8th title and Verstappen for his first one.

Could of course be possible that the engines have already come to their life and therefore lose power, with Verstappen the exchange was necessary because of the accident, as far as I have understood correctly, and by the 3 places penalty it has tactically fit well to change the engine, RedBull has not expected much in Sotschi, was the last few years a Mercedes track and wanted to limit damage.

Why do you think that? Is there a serious source on this or is it just a guess for you? Even if Hamilton will overtake the rest of the field with the superior car, it would mean that he will probably lose some points to Verstappen. The good thing for us spectators is that the championship will continue to be exciting.

Yes, the source is Horner himself.

He released an interview and according to him watching what is happening on other teams with the Mercedes engine he is very sure about the usage of a 4th engine for Lewis.

""If you see how many engines Mercedes has already consumed this year, including the sister teams, I do expect them to take another penalty. But we don't know that," he said."

Source

https://www.givemesport.com/1759259-lewis-hamilton-v-max-verstappen-christian-horner-expects-briton-to-face-engine-penalty

Thanks for the link, so still speculating.