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[minairia3]

Thanks for sharing, the provisional calendar for 2022 looks very good, unfortunately Brno is again not included, but maybe next year I'll go to Sachsenring and see the race there live, is also a very nice track for the motorcycles.

Hopefully this schedule does not change or if it changes, the Mandalika circuit remains a racing plan in 2022. It looks interesting that Mandalika is the second race after the opening. I am indeed from Indonesia so I support MotoGP to be in my country, although it seems impossible to watch because it is quite far from me and costs a lot.
Last news  the circuit is still under construction, in August they had reached 92 percent. Even then, it has passed a virtual assessment conducted by Gregorio Lavilla as World SBK Executive Producer and World SBK Circuit Relations Senior Manager Eva Jirsenska.
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That's great news for the Indonesian F1 fans. If I'm not wrong, F1 was never held in Indonesia before this, so that is gonna be very exciting news for the F1 fans residing there as they can see the race live. I also appreciate F1 for expanding into more countries, maybe that can gain more fans all over the world.

[bitgolden]

Everyone keeps saying rain rain rain but it looks like there is nothing right now. Maybe it will start tomorrow? In any case, a race with rain just simply means there will be just a super shock. I am going to watch it with a few friends of mine and it could be anything.

We could see Lewis win, we could see Bottas win, we could see max win, we could see vettel win for the first time in a while, we could see anyone win when there is a rain because it is all depends on luck. Max getting to be second wasn't just pure talent, rain happened right at the correct time as well. So, it is definitely something that I would not expect a clear favorite for this race, no chance that even lewis and max is "clear" favorite right now.

[AndySt]

Everyone keeps saying rain rain rain but it looks like there is nothing right now. Maybe it will start tomorrow? In any case, a race with rain just simply means there will be just a super shock. I am going to watch it with a few friends of mine and it could be anything.
We could see Lewis win, we could see Bottas win, we could see max win, we could see vettel win for the first time in a while, we could see anyone win when there is a rain because it is all depends on luck. Max getting to be second wasn't just pure talent, rain happened right at the correct time as well. So, it is definitely something that I would not expect a clear favorite for this race, no chance that even lewis and max is "clear" favorite right now.

In such conditions, the rain itself is the main favorite and allows the most unexpected contender to win On the one hand, this brings a great surprise to the fight between the riders, on the other hand, it levels the strength and work of the team and the level of the rider himself. On the other hand, there is a certain injustice that there are a couple of leadership teams with powerful cars and there are outsider teams whose level of cars does not allow racers to achieve results under any circumstances and such force majeure is a chance to bask in the rays of glory at least a little. However, recently McLaren has progressed rapidly and its drivers can also be included among the "clear" favorites, even if not as obvious as, say, Mercedes and Red Bull.

[ILuckyGuyI]

I was able to watch the FP2 and it was enough to give me some ideas about the track conditions and who can be really successful at the end of this race weekend. I loved the Istanbul Park track this time as they cared about the grip a lot and did something to keep the grip at a high level on the track. But Verstappen seemed like he was struggling a lot. Hamilton just destroyed both FPs by breaking a track record and ending at the top. But he has already a 10-place grid penalty because of a change in his car. I think that he will most probably take the pole position but will have to start at the 11th place. Sainz also is going to start from the back after Leclerc did a similar thing in the Russian GP.

Let's wait and see what's going to happen in the qualifying session tomorrow!

[Silver80]

Thanks for sharing, the provisional calendar for 2022 looks very good, unfortunately Brno is again not included, but maybe next year I'll go to Sachsenring and see the race there live, is also a very nice track for the motorcycles.

Hopefully this schedule does not change or if it changes, the Mandalika circuit remains a racing plan in 2022. It looks interesting that Mandalika is the second race after the opening. I am indeed from Indonesia so I support MotoGP to be in my country, although it seems impossible to watch because it is quite far from me and costs a lot.
Last news  the circuit is still under construction, in August they had reached 92 percent. Even then, it has passed a virtual assessment conducted by Gregorio Lavilla as World SBK Executive Producer and World SBK Circuit Relations Senior Manager Eva Jirsenska.

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this could change after Indonesia sanctioned by WADA, I hope they don't cancel the Moto Gp tournament at the Mandalika circuit.

[Davian144]

this could change after Indonesia sanctioned by WADA, I hope they don't cancel the Moto Gp tournament at the Mandalika circuit.

Regarding WADA, the Indonesian Ministry of Youth and Sports will ensure the Mandalika circuit to hold WSBK and MotoGP next year, because with this kind of sanction and an earlier warning, the state party can immediately resolve existing problems with the aim of motorsport being not delayed.

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Qualify is ongoing, these are the results of this morning's practice 3 and we got a raid.


1   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda   1m30.447s
2   Max Verstappen   NED   Red Bull Racing   1m30.611s
3   Sergio Perez   MEX   Red Bull Racing   1m30.684s
4   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow   1m31.262s
5   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow   1m31.543s
6   Fernando Alonso   CHI   Alpine F1 Team   1m31.545s
7   Kimi Raikkonen   FIN   Alfa Romeo Racing Orlen   1m31.572s
8   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda   1m31.981s
9   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m31.996s
10   Esteban Ocon   FRA   Alpine F1 Team   1m32.089s
11   Antonio Giovinazzi   GBR   Alfa Romeo Racing Orlen   1m32.097s
12   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Cognizant Formula One Team   1m32.111s
13   Mick Schumacher   GER   Uralkali Haas F1 Team   1m32.228s
14   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m32.270s
15   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m32.314s
16   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Cognizant Formula One Team   1m33.348s
17   Nikita Mazepin   RUS   Uralkali Haas F1 Team   1m33.425s
18   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m33.636s
19   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m35.681s
20   George Russell   ISR   Williams Racing   No Time Set

Source: https://www.crash.net/f1/results/989362/1/f1-2021-turkish-grand-prix-free-practice-results-3




Started to raid on qualify too now.

[coderben]

At the end of the qualifying session, Hamilton was at the first place by breaking another track record which is 1:22.868 . However, he won't be starting from the pole position as he has a 10-position grid penalty. He will be starting from the 11th position. Bottas and Verstappen fought for the pole and Bottas was the winner of it. But still, Verstappen has the potential to overtake him at the beginning of the race already. And I really appreciated Leclerc's effort that he will be starting from the 3rd position. It is going to be a great race I believe.

[tokeweed]

Here are the quali’s results.  Take note that Hamilton will go back down 10 places for a penalty given due to a change of internal combustion engine.  From a betting perspective this is good.  Head to head prop for Hamilton to win vs Bottas is 2.07.  I think Hamilton wins even with the penalty.  Fastest lap for Hamilton at 2.75 is also good imho.  He’ll be going for it real hard to move up the grid as fast as possible.

...  Hamilton to win the race at 4.30 is veeery tempting cos we know he could do it.  He’s that good!  

2021 F1 Turkish GP Qualifying Results

1   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m24.585s   1m23.082s   1m22.868s
2   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m25.047s   1m23.579s   1m22.998s
3   Max Verstappen   NED   Red Bull Racing   1m24.592s   1m23.732s   1m23.196s
4   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow   1m24.869s   1m24.015s   1m23.265s
5   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda   1m24.704s   1m23.817s   1m23.326s
6   Fernando Alonso   ESP   Alpine F1 Team   1m25.174s   1m23.914s   1m23.477s
7   Sergio Perez   MEX   Red Bull Racing   1m24.963s   1m23.961s   1m23.706s
8   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m25.138s   1m24.642s   1m23.954s
9   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Cognizant Formula One Team   1m25.511s   1m24.601s   1m24.305s
10   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri Honda   1m25.409s   1m24.054s   1m24.368s
11   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Cognizant Formula One Team   1m25.787s   1m24.795s   
12   Esteban Ocon   FRA   Alpine F1 Team   1m25.422s   1m24.842s   
13   George Russell   GBR   Williams Racing   1m25.417s   1m25.007s   
14   Mick Schumacher   GER   Uralkali Haas F1 Team   1m25.555s   1m25.200s   
15   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow   1m25.177s   No Time Set   
16   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m25.881s       
17   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m26.086s       
18   Antonio Giovinazzi   ITA   Alfa Romeo Racing Orlen   1m26.430s       
19   Kimi Raikkonen   FIN   Alfa Romeo Racing Orlen   1m27.525s       
20   Nikita Mazepin   RUS   Uralkali Haas F1 Team   1m28.449s       

[Silver80]

Regarding WADA, the Indonesian Ministry of Youth and Sports will ensure the Mandalika circuit to hold WSBK and MotoGP next year, because with this kind of sanction and an earlier warning, the state party can immediately resolve existing problems with the aim of motorsport being not delayed.

Thanks you for information.

Recently I was researching some media and I got the following information about Honda's Repsol record;
Repsol Honda's record of success in the main class

[boltz]

It should be a great race tomorrow in F1 as Bottas said he has his personal race tomorrow and my guess is Verstappen and with Lewis he has nothing to prove now as he shouldn't have done it way earlier but I think they are really good friends tho. Regarding RedBull ...hard to tell but I would love to see both of them on podium just because of that livery and their costumes as they bring a vibe of that Senna McLaren white and red.

[justdimin]

I was able to watch the FP2 and it was enough to give me some ideas about the track conditions and who can be really successful at the end of this race weekend. I loved the Istanbul Park track this time as they cared about the grip a lot and did something to keep the grip at a high level on the track. But Verstappen seemed like he was struggling a lot. Hamilton just destroyed both FPs by breaking a track record and ending at the top. But he has already a 10-place grid penalty because of a change in his car. I think that he will most probably take the pole position but will have to start at the 11th place. Sainz also is going to start from the back after Leclerc did a similar thing in the Russian GP.

Let's wait and see what's going to happen in the qualifying session tomorrow!

They believe in Hamilton becoming first so much that they actually just changed ICE in his engine and not the whole engine. What this means is that he will not start at the bottom, he will start at best 11th, however the difference between 11th and 20th is that if you start at 20th and become 11th by 5-6th lap, then you are going to be behind the top drivers 5+ seconds easily, and then will have to close that up, Max could be gone by that time.

This way they are making him 11th so that by the 5-6th lap he would be in top 5, he could even gain many positions during start as well so this brings him more chance to actually fight for something. Let's see what happens but I see this as absolute Max dominance this time around.

[LTU_btc]

If weather forecast don't lie, there will be no rain during race. Bottas will start 1st, but i don't think that it will took long time for Max to get into the lead. Lewis will start 11th because of penalty, but if nothing unexpected won't happen, I see him reaching 2nd place at least.

this could change after Indonesia sanctioned by WADA, I hope they don't cancel the Moto Gp tournament at the Mandalika circuit.

Regarding WADA, the Indonesian Ministry of Youth and Sports will ensure the Mandalika circuit to hold WSBK and MotoGP next year, because with this kind of sanction and an earlier warning, the state party can immediately resolve existing problems with the aim of motorsport being not delayed.

As I understand, it will be same like Russian GP - there will be no anthem and flag in event. Also, it seems that we may have another driver in F1 racingg without flag next season, like Mazepin. Thailand got sanctions too, so, Alex Albon may be affected. Though, he may race with Great Britain flag.

[Koal-84]

It should be a great race tomorrow in F1 as Bottas said he has his personal race tomorrow and my guess is Verstappen and with Lewis he has nothing to prove now as he shouldn't have done it way earlier but I think they are really good friends tho. Regarding RedBull ...hard to tell but I would love to see both of them on podium just because of that livery and their costumes as they bring a vibe of that Senna McLaren white and red.

I also think it could be an exciting race, can Verstappen overtake Bottas quickly and how fast can Hamilton get through the midfield? With a good start, Verstappen could overtake Bottas straight away and without a defect he should win the race.

[xzone]

We watched a very nice race in Turkey GP last year. I think there will be a similar race this year as well. The weather is rainy in istanbul this morning, it looks like it will stay like this for a few more hours. Maybe towards the end of the race the risk of precipitation may disappear.
Ranking positions are also remarkable, Hamilton will close the gap in a short time. Verstappen is my favorite driver in this race

[blue Snow]

this could change after Indonesia sanctioned by WADA, I hope they don't cancel the Moto Gp tournament at the Mandalika circuit.

I don't think so, that for a personal person or Athlete. Mandalika circuit is almost 100% ready for this year (2021), that we can see FIM Superbike on November 14, 2021, on schedule. certainty, Dorna Sports and FIM said MotoGP using Mandalika circuit for the next year. Maybe, at the end of this year, MotoGP racers will be testing out the circuit when they get a race tour in southeast Asia. but, we just watch, because there is no MotoGP racer from Indonesia.

[ILuckyGuyI]

I was able to watch the FP2 and it was enough to give me some ideas about the track conditions and who can be really successful at the end of this race weekend. I loved the Istanbul Park track this time as they cared about the grip a lot and did something to keep the grip at a high level on the track. But Verstappen seemed like he was struggling a lot. Hamilton just destroyed both FPs by breaking a track record and ending at the top. But he has already a 10-place grid penalty because of a change in his car. I think that he will most probably take the pole position but will have to start at the 11th place. Sainz also is going to start from the back after Leclerc did a similar thing in the Russian GP.

Let's wait and see what's going to happen in the qualifying session tomorrow!

They believe in Hamilton becoming first so much that they actually just changed ICE in his engine and not the whole engine. What this means is that he will not start at the bottom, he will start at best 11th, however the difference between 11th and 20th is that if you start at 20th and become 11th by 5-6th lap, then you are going to be behind the top drivers 5+ seconds easily, and then will have to close that up, Max could be gone by that time.

This way they are making him 11th so that by the 5-6th lap he would be in top 5, he could even gain many positions during start as well so this brings him more chance to actually fight for something. Let's see what happens but I see this as absolute Max dominance this time around.

At the end of the qualifying session, Lewis Hamilton still managed to take the first place by a huge performance. He broke another track record. But he will start at the 11th place of course. Still he got what he wanted and he will be focusing on climbing positions one by one. Bottas was faster than Verstappen by 0.2 seconds and he took the pole position. But I believe that Verstappen will get past him easily maybe even at the beginning. I expect him to win the race too but the most thing I wonder is whether Hamilton will be able to climb till reaching the 2nd place. I'm looking forward to watching the race.

[justdimin]

Hamilton starting 11th is a big decision, if he ends up with second or even at worst third then it will be decent and then this all would be worth it. However, if he doesn't end up in top 3 then they could have gone with the whole engine change and they would be doing a lot better in that situation. They would both have a whole new engine AND they would be in top 10 guaranteed anyway, probably 6th or 7th at worst.

So, this decision to only change ICE and get 10 position penalty will be a smart decision only if Hamilton ends in top 3, otherwise it would look like a bad decision.

[ILuckyGuyI]

Hamilton starting 11th is a big decision, if he ends up with second or even at worst third then it will be decent and then this all would be worth it. However, if he doesn't end up in top 3 then they could have gone with the whole engine change and they would be doing a lot better in that situation. They would both have a whole new engine AND they would be in top 10 guaranteed anyway, probably 6th or 7th at worst.

So, this decision to only change ICE and get 10 position penalty will be a smart decision only if Hamilton ends in top 3, otherwise it would look like a bad decision.

When Verstappen had a penalty to start from the back of the grid, it was a tough decision also. Red Bull changed the whole engine of Verstappen's car and took a gamble with his race. But Verstappen had a huge race and ended as the 2nd right behind Hamilton in the Russian GP.

I think that Hamilton will be able to do a similar thing also. He is even starting at the 11th place which is making things easier for him compared to Verstappen. But this track is really challenging for all of the drivers. So let's wait and see what happens.  

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And it's rain!

Race starting. It should not dry up.

Rain till the end.