Motosport General discussion tread --- Formula1, MotoGP, WTCC, ETCC, DTM.....

[bitgolden]

Canada is a great GP, the Suzuka is the one I hate the most since I basically never see it in Live since is 6-7 AM in Europe when they run there.
The calendar is not finished yet it can may change for COVID.

Remember they want to increase the number of GPs up to 28-30 in 4-5 years.

If they could change the race count to 30 or even more that would be awesome for all of us, we could watch them and that would be great. They request a ton of money to be racing in certain places, that is one of the reasons why they are racing in Qatar as well, they just got paid a ton of cash and that is why they are doing it, and yes FIA needs to make some profit as well, they can't do this for free and they have costs so that is why it is understandable that they are getting paid.

However, the more they race then it means the more they could show races and the more races they show the more TV right deals they will have and selling that rights would make them insane amount of profit, which means if they do not ask any money for the tracks and just look at the best tracks instead of the highest paying one then we could have even better situation as well. Teams could have a higher cap because with more races they will have a lot more costs but they would have a lot more income as well.

[LTU_btc]

Canada is a great GP, the Suzuka is the one I hate the most since I basically never see it in Live since is 6-7 AM in Europe when they run there.
The calendar is not finished yet it can may change for COVID.

Remember they want to increase the number of GPs up to 28-30 in 4-5 years.

Yeah, early time of Japan or Australia races isn't good thing for fans in Europe. It's not easy to wake up so early on weekend.
28-30 races sounds too much for me. Now we have season longer than ever, with more races it would become even more longer and as said above, there would be less time for development. Also, probably we will have races almost every week. Good for fans, but probably not so good for drivers and teams. But it's all about the money.

[coinlocket$]

That is true. I also enjoy the races held in Canada,  overall I love the environment. Don't know why you don't like the Japanese one but people have different choices and that's fine. I think them expanding F1 to newer areas and increasing the races is good for everyone in general. The fans have more races to enjoy and the racers even might get paid more.

The track is fine overall I hate it only for the time they race there.
It is the race held in the eastmost country(with an F1 track) of the world and for that reason, it is almost impossible to watch it like.

I think they start the race at 5 AM in CET/CEST timezone.

[Koal-84]

Congrats to Marquez, he did again, and welcome back. He found a way, 3 circuits left after the finish, with this performance I'm sure he will be got the championship for the next year.

While Quartararo, just a little bit to locked the title, he must be a winner on Misano circuit on Italy Next to do that. Bagnaian still has a chance but it's hard if he got at all race, his point 277. And Quartarao Point now is 254, he only needs a top 10 race on 3 circuits left to locked Champions.

~snip~

It is certain that Quartararo will be world champion this season. Even though Bagnaia's chances are still big, I'm sure Quartararo will look safe for the world champion even though he hasn't been able to have it in this weekend's race at Misano. If that happens then the world championship record returns to Yamaha after 6 years. 2015 was Yamaha's year because they won the world MotoGP with Jorge Lorenzo.

About Marquez, his potential for next season is still very big. Perhaps the competitors should be wary, he began to rediscover the contributing factors that made him look great. I'm not surprised because he's still relatively young, and I've said that before.

It's not going to be easy for Marquez to win another title, next year for me it's definitely Fabio (if the Yamaha improves) and Bagnaia. Marquez is getting older and now has new opponents from a new generation. Marquez will fight for the title but I don't think he will win one again. But we'll see, maybe Honda will conjure up a new wonder bike and Marquez will ride everything into the ground, even if I don't think so.

[AndySt]

^ I think I have mixed feelings about the calendar . I don't know but maybe having China would have been a good option but I'm happy that Canada and Japan are back. I like the Japanese ones as I feel like the fans are very passionate about the races in general.

Canada is a great GP, the Suzuka is the one I hate the most since I basically never see it in Live since is 6-7 AM in Europe when they run there.
The calendar is not finished yet it can may change for COVID.
Remember they want to increase the number of GPs up to 28-30 in 4-5 years.

I have also seen the new calendar, the Formula 1 drifting more and more into commercialism, the schedule is getting tighter the travel more expensive and every year more races, the development time is getting shorter for the teams and the small teams simply do not have the resources let alone the money for such rapid development, even more races whether that makes sense and is possible?

Of course, this makes sense, because the Formula 1 championship should be self-sufficient and bring income to the participants and organizers, otherwise what is the point in carrying out all this and then who will pay for all this splendor? Formula 1 as a technical sport is very dependent on this, and in addition to the talent of the rider, the technique itself and the conditions in which it is carried out have a great influence, and it all costs money, a lot of money. Therefore, of course, you need to try to maintain a balance between the sports component and commerce, but still successful commerce is simply necessary for the survival of the royal races.

[Davian144]

Last week the WSBK event in Argentina was at the San Juan Villicum circuit, where the first race was won by Toprak rider from Turkey at the Yamaha factory along with the Superpole race as well and in the second race it was won by Scott Redding from England through the Ducati factory, however. What will be very interesting is the determination of this year's WSBK world champion will take place at the Mandalika Circuit which is located in Indonesia where it is a circuit that has just been inaugurated and it will also be new for all WSBK riders.
What is the response from those of you who like WSBK this year ? Will it be very interesting or vice versa and can Toprak lock the WSBK world champion this year ?

[Juggy777]

^ I think I have mixed feelings about the calendar . I don't know but maybe having China would have been a good option but I'm happy that Canada and Japan are back. I like the Japanese ones as I feel like the fans are very passionate about the races in general.

Canada is a great GP, the Suzuka is the one I hate the most since I basically never see it in Live since is 6-7 AM in Europe when they run there.
The calendar is not finished yet it can may change for COVID.
Remember they want to increase the number of GPs up to 28-30 in 4-5 years.

I have also seen the new calendar, the Formula 1 drifting more and more into commercialism, the schedule is getting tighter the travel more expensive and every year more races, the development time is getting shorter for the teams and the small teams simply do not have the resources let alone the money for such rapid development, even more races whether that makes sense and is possible?

Of course, this makes sense, because the Formula 1 championship should be self-sufficient and bring income to the participants and organizers, otherwise what is the point in carrying out all this and then who will pay for all this splendor? Formula 1 as a technical sport is very dependent on this, and in addition to the talent of the rider, the technique itself and the conditions in which it is carried out have a great influence, and it all costs money, a lot of money. Therefore, of course, you need to try to maintain a balance between the sports component and commerce, but still successful commerce is simply necessary for the survival of the royal races.

@Koal-84 I too believe this and when they added Qatar it became Crystal clear that F1 is choosing money over fans feelings, and even if we don’t like it we don’t have a choice but to support them.

Also @AndySt is right too that F1 does needs the money to survive, but question is could they have looked at other opportunities, if yes why did they didn’t do it?.

[Koal-84]

^ I think I have mixed feelings about the calendar . I don't know but maybe having China would have been a good option but I'm happy that Canada and Japan are back. I like the Japanese ones as I feel like the fans are very passionate about the races in general.

Canada is a great GP, the Suzuka is the one I hate the most since I basically never see it in Live since is 6-7 AM in Europe when they run there.
The calendar is not finished yet it can may change for COVID.
Remember they want to increase the number of GPs up to 28-30 in 4-5 years.

I have also seen the new calendar, the Formula 1 drifting more and more into commercialism, the schedule is getting tighter the travel more expensive and every year more races, the development time is getting shorter for the teams and the small teams simply do not have the resources let alone the money for such rapid development, even more races whether that makes sense and is possible?

Of course, this makes sense, because the Formula 1 championship should be self-sufficient and bring income to the participants and organizers, otherwise what is the point in carrying out all this and then who will pay for all this splendor? Formula 1 as a technical sport is very dependent on this, and in addition to the talent of the rider, the technique itself and the conditions in which it is carried out have a great influence, and it all costs money, a lot of money. Therefore, of course, you need to try to maintain a balance between the sports component and commerce, but still successful commerce is simply necessary for the survival of the royal races.

@Koal-84 I too believe this and when they added Qatar it became Crystal clear that F1 is choosing money over fans feelings, and even if we don’t like it we don’t have a choice but to support them.

Also @AndySt is right too that F1 does needs the money to survive, but question is could they have looked at other opportunities, if yes why did they didn’t do it?.

Also under Bernie Ecclestone it was about the money, but also much more about the fans the emotions, the racing and being "the best" motorsport class in the world. I think Bernie has managed this very well, including the fans who also pay for the whole thing, because without fans there is no merchandising, no TV revenue and no ticket sales. Now it looks like it's just about which country pays more start money and the fans and emotions of the sport are advised in the background. That's why I have the feeling that MotoGP is getting more and more fans every year and Formula 1 and DTM are losing their fans.

[minairia3]

Of course, this makes sense, because the Formula 1 championship should be self-sufficient and bring income to the participants and organizers, otherwise what is the point in carrying out all this and then who will pay for all this splendor? Formula 1 as a technical sport is very dependent on this, and in addition to the talent of the rider, the technique itself and the conditions in which it is carried out have a great influence, and it all costs money, a lot of money. Therefore, of course, you need to try to maintain a balance between the sports component and commerce, but still successful commerce is simply necessary for the survival of the royal races.

I agree with you. More races and expansion to more regions mean more revenue for the organization. And more revenue for them means they can provide more to the participants. Participants earning more means they can use that for their development. This is the chain, at least I think this is what it is, Let me know if I'm wrong.

[bitgolden]

I have also seen the new calendar, the Formula 1 drifting more and more into commercialism, the schedule is getting tighter the travel more expensive and every year more races, the development time is getting shorter for the teams and the small teams simply do not have the resources let alone the money for such rapid development, even more races whether that makes sense and is possible?

Of course, this makes sense, because the Formula 1 championship should be self-sufficient and bring income to the participants and organizers, otherwise what is the point in carrying out all this and then who will pay for all this splendor? Formula 1 as a technical sport is very dependent on this, and in addition to the talent of the rider, the technique itself and the conditions in which it is carried out have a great influence, and it all costs money, a lot of money. Therefore, of course, you need to try to maintain a balance between the sports component and commerce, but still successful commerce is simply necessary for the survival of the royal races.

Not only they could make money from sponsorship and advertisements and tv rights and so forth, they could also sell the places as well themselves, like when you go there you see how many merch stands there are there which should be making a ton of money and they have online shops as well. These teams could be losing money, I am not saying they are making a profit each year, there is a good chance they could be losing, however if you really want to own a formula team and want to make a profit then you could make that happen as well, all you need is to keep on marketing yourself like crazy.

Most teams like Mercedes and red bull doing it for marketing and not for really making a profit and that seems to be the issue they have for not making a profit. FIA itself could make so much money just from tv rights that they could literally build their own tracks all around the world.

[Koal-84]

I have also seen the new calendar, the Formula 1 drifting more and more into commercialism, the schedule is getting tighter the travel more expensive and every year more races, the development time is getting shorter for the teams and the small teams simply do not have the resources let alone the money for such rapid development, even more races whether that makes sense and is possible?

Of course, this makes sense, because the Formula 1 championship should be self-sufficient and bring income to the participants and organizers, otherwise what is the point in carrying out all this and then who will pay for all this splendor? Formula 1 as a technical sport is very dependent on this, and in addition to the talent of the rider, the technique itself and the conditions in which it is carried out have a great influence, and it all costs money, a lot of money. Therefore, of course, you need to try to maintain a balance between the sports component and commerce, but still successful commerce is simply necessary for the survival of the royal races.

Not only they could make money from sponsorship and advertisements and tv rights and so forth, they could also sell the places as well themselves, like when you go there you see how many merch stands there are there which should be making a ton of money and they have online shops as well. These teams could be losing money, I am not saying they are making a profit each year, there is a good chance they could be losing, however if you really want to own a formula team and want to make a profit then you could make that happen as well, all you need is to keep on marketing yourself like crazy.

Most teams like Mercedes and red bull doing it for marketing and not for really making a profit and that seems to be the issue they have for not making a profit. FIA itself could make so much money just from tv rights that they could literally build their own tracks all around the world.

I know about the sales stands at the races, there is a lot of revenue generated. Of course, Ferrari, Mercedes, the other car brands and RedBull do it mainly for the advertising and prestige. But it is simply forgotten on the fans who also bring a lot of money, see the race in SPA, there the fans and also the track operators were only fooled that Liberty Media no start and ticket money must refund. For me, Formula 1 is drifting more and more into commercialism... And the last few years with Formula Mercedes have certainly contributed to this.

[Minor Miner]

Not only they could make money from sponsorship and advertisements and tv rights and so forth, they could also sell the places as well themselves, like when you go there you see how many merch stands there are there which should be making a ton of money and they have online shops as well. These teams could be losing money, I am not saying they are making a profit each year, there is a good chance they could be losing, however if you really want to own a formula team and want to make a profit then you could make that happen as well, all you need is to keep on marketing yourself like crazy.
Most teams like Mercedes and red bull doing it for marketing and not for really making a profit and that seems to be the issue they have for not making a profit. FIA itself could make so much money just from tv rights that they could literally build their own tracks all around the world.

I know about the sales stands at the races, there is a lot of revenue generated. Of course, Ferrari, Mercedes, the other car brands and RedBull do it mainly for the advertising and prestige. But it is simply forgotten on the fans who also bring a lot of money, see the race in SPA, there the fans and also the track operators were only fooled that Liberty Media no start and ticket money must refund. For me, Formula 1 is drifting more and more into commercialism... And the last few years with Formula Mercedes have certainly contributed to this.

I have to say that one day or another this had to take a turn into commercialism. After all, F1 is owned by some business industry and they want o make more profit. If I see this from a business point of view, this is good as the expansion and more races mean more money. But if I were to judge from a normal viewer or the salesperson in the race track's point of view, this is a very bad idea.  But yes the amount of money they get from everything combined is really very huge in amount.

[jaberwock]

I know about the sales stands at the races, there is a lot of revenue generated. Of course, Ferrari, Mercedes, the other car brands and RedBull do it mainly for the advertising and prestige. But it is simply forgotten on the fans who also bring a lot of money, see the race in SPA, there the fans and also the track operators were only fooled that Liberty Media no start and ticket money must refund. For me, Formula 1 is drifting more and more into commercialism... And the last few years with Formula Mercedes have certainly contributed to this.

Ever since formula 1 was sold, it is obvious that it is more about commercial things but it is clear to me that we are talking about something that is not too profitable if you let the teams be.

This is the reason the new "American" owners are going the American route and putting a cap, because Mercedes could continue to be like this and eventually reach 1+ billion dollars spent on the car, which will make the car by far the best again, or at least keep it at best, while other teams will not be good at all.

With more and more limitations, the goal is to get teams closer to each other, and let the drivers decide which one is the best, we all heard "Hamilton won most of his championships because his car was the fastest" as an argument for YEARS now, it is easier to have closer cars in that regard. Hell we could even one day see all drivers racing with exact same car, zero changes, zero differences, just paint job difference and everything else is exactly same, and only driver talent deciding factor, that seems like the future.

[Davian144]

What's interesting is that it's not on the winners, but on the trajectory they go through, they don't understand what the strategy is on this trajectory?  The coach will rack his brain this time so that the raiders win and run smoothly on the streets

Since when has a rider been able to learn a new circuit in an instant ?
Actually this will be interesting because all WSBK riders will feel the sensation of a new circuit with an unusual layout that will make them all look for comfort when starting the race later.

[Davian144]

It will be interesting in moto3 if Pedro Acosta wins it and becoming this World champion this year will break the record of Loris Capirossi as the youngest world champion, this will make Loris Capirossi worry "lol" his record is exceeded.  he is still the youngest world champion.

Why would Loris Capirossi be worried about that? "LOL", do you still see Loris Capirossi racing in this year  ?
One thing that Pedro Acosta will have to face later is the host from Italy, namely Dennis Fogia as the person who will try to thwart it, because Dennis Fogia's performance in the second half of this season is quite extraordinary.

[swogerino]

Finally we are near the race weekend.We are racing in Austin,Texas which is a relatively difficult track for the drivers but very beautiful to watch for us the fans.The battle for the Champion of 2021 is wide open in F1 as only a bunch of points are dividing the two leaders.I think it is best to place winning bets in Head 2 Head rather than trying to find the winner,they have somewhat better odds and the chances are high that you win if you have watched the F1 during the whole season.

[tokeweed]

^  If everything goes as normal as possible with Merc and with no hiccups, I think Hamilton should win the race.  And with the sports betting sites having that lined around 1.80 - 1.85, I think that’s fair.  Merc’s engine upgrades and aero upgrades are obv in effect in Turkey.  I couldn’t see how that changes in Texas.  And RBR has yet to have their own upgrades to counter that.  So prolly the next couple of races will be both Merc wins and Hamilton gets the lead in the WDC.  IMHO.

[Minor Miner]

Finally we are near the race weekend.We are racing in Austin,Texas which is a relatively difficult track for the drivers but very beautiful to watch for us the fans.The battle for the Champion of 2021 is wide open in F1 as only a bunch of points are dividing the two leaders.I think it is best to place winning bets in Head 2 Head rather than trying to find the winner,they have somewhat better odds and the chances are high that you win if you have watched the F1 during the whole season.

F1 has surely become the race of two racers in terms of the rankings in general. After the last race, Max Verstappen overtook Hamilton to be the no-1 right now and now has 262.5 points compared to Hamilton having 256.5.  Which means they are separated by only 6 points. So this race will be an important one regarding who will stay atop the leaderboard. I'm quite eager to witness the Austin race. Hope we'll have an eye-pleasing and hard-fought of a race.

[Koal-84]

Finally we are near the race weekend.We are racing in Austin,Texas which is a relatively difficult track for the drivers but very beautiful to watch for us the fans.The battle for the Champion of 2021 is wide open in F1 as only a bunch of points are dividing the two leaders.I think it is best to place winning bets in Head 2 Head rather than trying to find the winner,they have somewhat better odds and the chances are high that you win if you have watched the F1 during the whole season.

F1 has surely become the race of two racers in terms of the rankings in general. After the last race, Max Verstappen overtook Hamilton to be the no-1 right now and now has 262.5 points compared to Hamilton having 256.5.  Which means they are separated by only 6 points. So this race will be an important one regarding who will stay atop the leaderboard. I'm quite eager to witness the Austin race. Hope we'll have an eye-pleasing and hard-fought of a race.

It's been a battle between the two riders for a long time, and it's going to get even tougher, especially if it's forbidden to drop out, so the world championship could possibly be decided in advance. Even if there are still 6 races in contrast to the MotoGP world championship so in the ideal case 156 points.

The track in Austin probably suits Mercedes a little more than RedBull, but we'll see, we've assumed the last two races. In the weather there will probably be no surprises, according to the weather report constant ~25 -30C ° and partly cloudy, ideal racing weather.

[CryptoBuds]

I know about the sales stands at the races, there is a lot of revenue generated. Of course, Ferrari, Mercedes, the other car brands and RedBull do it mainly for the advertising and prestige. But it is simply forgotten on the fans who also bring a lot of money, see the race in SPA, there the fans and also the track operators were only fooled that Liberty Media no start and ticket money must refund. For me, Formula 1 is drifting more and more into commercialism... And the last few years with Formula Mercedes have certainly contributed to this.

Ever since formula 1 was sold, it is obvious that it is more about commercial things but it is clear to me that we are talking about something that is not too profitable if you let the teams be.
This is the reason the new "American" owners are going the American route and putting a cap, because Mercedes could continue to be like this and eventually reach 1+ billion dollars spent on the car, which will make the car by far the best again, or at least keep it at best, while other teams will not be good at all.
With more and more limitations, the goal is to get teams closer to each other, and let the drivers decide which one is the best, we all heard "Hamilton won most of his championships because his car was the fastest" as an argument for YEARS now, it is easier to have closer cars in that regard. Hell we could even one day see all drivers racing with exact same car, zero changes, zero differences, just paint job difference and everything else is exactly same, and only driver talent deciding factor, that seems like the future.

^ I like the idea of using the same cars for every driver. That seems like a fair option to me. If driver "X" has the best car on the track, other drivers will get shit on. They won't even stand a chance and as a result, they will lose the competitive mentality as they'd think, he'll win anyway so what's the point of trying hard to win. And getting everyone the same car will get the drivers a mentality that they have to be a "better" driver than the rest as the fate of the race will solely depend on the raw driving skills of the drivers. So I think I'd love a race where every driver gets the same car and wins with only his raw driving skills. Yes, it would increase the competitiveness of the races but once again, I'd love a more competitive race rather than watching Hamilton win every race.