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[tokeweed]

^  It's higher according to an earlier post by coinlocket$.  Around 48% by quali and 36% by race time.  So that prolly means the chances of rain is going down as we come closer to the race?  It's prolly just gonna be cloudy will no rain so that means the track might be a tad cooler which will make it a little harder to warm those tires.  So given the bumpy road and the cooler tires, which team would perform better under these conditions?

[asrinur]

So not it is official.

Marques will be Bagnaia team mate from next season, and he will probably beat him. Imho.

I just found out today when opening X to see the latest information in several fields that I interested in including MotoGP.

Breaking News, MM to Partner Pecco in Ducati Lenovo Tim in 2025. That's what I got in the MotoGP account.

Is it because of the progress he showed this season or because of the Ducati business in attracting sponsors?
In terms of race in several races, Marquez is very good, The Baby Alien seems to return to his heyday when with Honda.
Or lest because of business and to revive rivalry like when Valentino has not retired.

For me, it's not too surprising that the Ducati factory team ultimately chose Marquez over Martin to be Bagnaia's partner because Marquez has appeared very competitive so far. Of course Ducati chose Marquez because Marquez would be very profitable for Ducati both from the business side, Marquez is already very famous and also Ducati has a very big chance of winning MotoGP with Marquez.

[FanEagle]

Rain "used to be" a good thing for formula one, nowadays they just do not make them race because of the risk and that's about it. We have seen so many times where they just straight up did not race at all, and they ended up basically with some red flags, and they ended up with rain making the race start later, and not finish a full race as well because they have certain hours that they can race until.

So, all of this combined means that we are not going to really see a big rainy race. Either we will have a lot of rain and no proper race, or we will not see that much rain at all, there is no both rain and race at the same time. Back in the day they did it, because they did not care about security that much, nowadays that's very important.

[coinlocket$]

Cars got some upgrades today.

Redbull got a new rear wing, and some changes on the front one.
Mercedes changed the front suspension, Front corner.
Ferrari and Mclarens has no updates.

Also Verstappen asked for more upgrades cause RBR is loosing the gap 

[alegotardo]

Cars got some upgrades today.

Redbull got a new rear wing, and some changes on the front one.
Mercedes changed the front suspension, Front corner.
Ferrari and Mclarens has no updates.

Also Verstappen asked for more upgrades cause RBR is loosing the gap 

Mercedes is trying to improve its performance, which is certainly not the best....

They are "trying" to end the phase of bad results in the 2024 Formula 1 season, but I don't know if their new front wing for both cars at the Canadian GP will do much of a miracle. They are struggling to find the performance and consistency necessary to fight for leadership.

The fact is that it is quite unusual to see a dominant team for so long in F1, facing so many difficulties and lacking speed compared to its main competitors. Mercedes' best result so far this year was in Monaco, where George Russell took P5 and Lewis Hamilton P7. And the most curious thing is that Hamilton didn't even use the new front wing in that race, only Russell.

The drop in performance compared to last year raises questions about how such a strong and experienced team allowed this to happen. Was it the "sidepod zero" that, let's face it, was very unsuccessful? I don't know why they insisted so much and took more than a year to abandon that concept... it's clear that to this day Mercedes still feels the consequences of that choice.

[retreat]

Cars got some upgrades today.

Redbull got a new rear wing, and some changes on the front one.
Mercedes changed the front suspension, Front corner.
Ferrari and Mclarens has no updates.

Also Verstappen asked for more upgrades cause RBR is loosing the gap 

And the results were not very satisfying, because in the FP1 and FP2 sessions Max did not get good performance and had poor grip. However, I don't know whether in the qualifying session they will be able to improve their strategy to be able to face the race, but if they can't improve it is very likely that Max will only be in the top 5, just like yesterday's Monaco race.

[AprilioMP]

I just found out today when opening X to see the latest information in several fields that I interested in including MotoGP.

Breaking News, MM to Partner Pecco in Ducati Lenovo Tim in 2025. That's what I got in the MotoGP account.

Is it because of the progress he showed this season or because of the Ducati business in attracting sponsors?
In terms of race in several races, Marquez is very good, The Baby Alien seems to return to his heyday when with Honda.
Or lest because of business and to revive rivalry like when Valentino has not retired.

This is not seen from just one side, but from several sides, such as the podiums obtained by Marquez in several races this season as well as the marketing appeal that Marquez has which can also have an impact on sponsors who often follow Marquez himself. This caused Audi, VW and Ducati to become interested in recruiting Marquez rather than recruiting Jorge Martin, but Jorge Martin himself also did not suffer a loss because Martin had got an Aprilia factory seat next season even though Martin left disappointed with the Aprilia factory.

I saw it more to the appeal of the sponsors and the appearance shown by Marquez in several series of this year's race season. That is why I asked the reason Marc Marquez was drawn to the Lenovo team Ducati to become a colleague of Pecco Bagnaia. Understandably I don't understand the Moto GP but interested in always trying to be able to watch in every race series.

The popularity of Jorge Martin is not as high as Marc Marquez in my opinion which began to follow the development of MotoGP. Formerly since Vale and Lorenzo had not yet retired, Marc Marquez's name was also discussed and almost everyone knew Marquez. Maybe in terms of sponsors this can be justified.

[tokeweed]

Cars got some upgrades today.

Redbull got a new rear wing, and some changes on the front one.
Mercedes changed the front suspension, Front corner.
Ferrari and Mclarens has no updates.

Also Verstappen asked for more upgrades cause RBR is loosing the gap  

And the results were not very satisfying, because in the FP1 and FP2 sessions Max did not get good performance and had poor grip. However, I don't know whether in the qualifying session they will be able to improve their strategy to be able to face the race, but if they can't improve it is very likely that Max will only be in the top 5, just like yesterday's Monaco race.

Yeah...  As said by some folks who have been paying attention this season.  Red Bull's RB20 isn't handling the ground effect as well as their car last year and the other year.  It has something to do with the car's floor or something.  Couple that with this track's bumpiness and you got less down force.  

If Leclerc wins again here then we could get the makings of a great season guys.    The next races will be in Europe at decent tracks...  Spain, Austria, Silverstone, Hungary then at Spa!  

But then again Red Bull could be sand bagging.  We'll see at FP3.

[Distraction]

^  It's higher according to an earlier post by coinlocket$.  Around 48% by quali and 36% by race time.  So that prolly means the chances of rain is going down as we come closer to the race?  It's prolly just gonna be cloudy will no rain so that means the track might be a tad cooler which will make it a little harder to warm those tires.  So given the bumpy road and the cooler tires, which team would perform better under these conditions?

Yeah, the weather is quite changeable lately. Maybe we won't even see rain as you said. I would be happy to see it in the last 10 laps of the race also for example. Think about how exciting the last moments could be.    Do you remember Norris' disappointment in 2021 Russian Grand Prix? Rain came in the last laps of the race and his obstinacy caused him to lose many places dramatically.

Therefore rain coming in that part of the race can be interesting here also. When it comes to which team to be better here, I would say McLaren and Ferrari by agreeing with general expectations.

Come on Leclerc, let's go for the pole!  

[Republikcoin.com]

I saw it more to the appeal of the sponsors and the appearance shown by Marquez in several series of this year's race season. That is why I asked the reason Marc Marquez was drawn to the Lenovo team Ducati to become a colleague of Pecco Bagnaia. Understandably I don't understand the Moto GP but interested in always trying to be able to watch in every race series.

If you only look at Marquez's performance in several series which happened this season, what about the appearance of Jorge Martin, who has been at Pramac Racing for a long time? This is what caused Jorge Martin to go to the Aprilia factory because he was really not taken into account by Ducati because of Marquez's presence in the Gresini Racing team.

The popularity of Jorge Martin is not as high as Marc Marquez in my opinion which began to follow the development of MotoGP. Formerly since Vale and Lorenzo had not yet retired, Marc Marquez's name was also discussed and almost everyone knew Marquez. Maybe in terms of sponsors this can be justified.

Sponsorship does have an influence because it is related to money, but for a manufacturer as big as Ducati, of course they don't really consider that because they themselves also have sponsors that they have to look after as long as the collaboration is still running smoothly. However, I see that Jorge Martin's move to Aprilia is not in the spotlight at the moment even though he was runner-up last season and current leader of the standings.

[coinlocket$]

It basically turned out that Perez's renewal was done for marketing.

Redbull admitted that the contract was made due to the great influence the driver has in Latin America, without him they would lose a lot of money in that part of the world.

What a sad decision from them

[Velvet78]

Hamilton is again doing really nice in Free Practice now just as in Monaco. But probably he will have big difficulties as of the qualifying. But there is a rain probability so who knows.    Hamilton is normally one of the best drivers under rain. If he had a faster car he would already be more competitive. Mercedes must be having their worst year in the recent times I assume.

Norris and Leclerc seem quite competitive. I think they will both do nice during the qualifying. Maybe even a pole for one of them would be nice to see. Verstappen is still unpredictable. If he doesn't have a stable car until the qualifying he might have serious issues with taking the pole position.

[moneystery]

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Sponsorship does have an influence because it is related to money, but for a manufacturer as big as Ducati, of course they don't really consider that because they themselves also have sponsors that they have to look after as long as the collaboration is still running smoothly. However, I see that Jorge Martin's move to Aprilia is not in the spotlight at the moment even though he was runner-up last season and current leader of the standings.

people pay more attention to the news about marquez because he has his own charm and very good performance in the last few races. besides who doesn't know marquez and how his championship record in motogp? compare with martin who until now has not won any championship, though he is likely to get the championship title in the current season. this makes the news of marquez's move to ducati even hotter to discuss because it is everyone's hope.

[Republikcoin.com]

people pay more attention to the news about marquez because he has his own charm and very good performance in the last few races. besides who doesn't know marquez and how his championship record in motogp? compare with martin who until now has not won any championship, though he is likely to get the championship title in the current season. this makes the news of marquez's move to ducati even hotter to discuss because it is everyone's hope.

I think not everyone, but only some people who are usually fans of Marquez himself, mate. And you can say things like that to people who have known MotoGP since the Marquez era began because I personally have known many MotoGP legends until the last one was Valentino Rossi who has retired from MotoGP.

I quite understand what you are saying because the media really looks more at riders who have selling points so that the news articles they write can be visited by many people. Apart from that, Jorge Martin, who never won the world championship in the MotoGP class, was also caused by the team he played for, namely the Satellit team, not a factory team like Marquez when he was still playing for the Honda manufacturer. So there is something reasonable for Martin as to why he has not been able to become world champion until now.

[Distraction]

Have you watched the qualifying? Q3 was very exciting and just look at this result.    It was really unbelievable that Russell and Verstappen had exactly the same lap time. But Russell took the pole anyway because of doing it earlier than him. I already can't wait for the race. I'm really curious about Mercedes drivers' race pace - especially Russell's.

The full results for the qualifying are here: https://www.formula1.com/en/results.html/2024/races/1237/canada/qualifying.html

The shocking part of the session was seeing Ferrari drivers out in Q2 already...    The reason is predicted to be cold weather. Because Ferrari has tyres which need more time to be warmed.

Lastly great job by Racing Bulls! Ricciardo got the 5th place and Tsunoda is behind by 3 places.

[tokeweed]

^  Yeah I watched quali as it was an hour before the UFC started.  But didn't pay close attention tho, was also goofing around some airdrop tasks.    But yeah...  Sad for Ferrari.  Lol.  I really thought they were gonna be bringing the momentum at Canada and right before the Spanish GP.  But they're prolly gonna bounce back...  We'll see.

And I really didn't notice Ricciardo doing well against Tsunoda at Q3 tbh.  Wasn't Tsunoda out pacing Ricciardo at Q1 and Q2?

Anyway, Verstappen at 1.68 to win the race seems decent here.  And what do you guys think of the head to head market between Leclerc at 1.35 and Sainz at 3.05.  Any chance Sainz finishes a head vs Leclerc?

Edit:  Typos.

[retreat]

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The shocking part of the session was seeing Ferrari drivers out in Q2 already...    The reason is predicted to be cold weather. Because Ferrari has tyres which need more time to be warmed.

Lastly great job by Racing Bulls! Ricciardo got the 5th place and Tsunoda is behind by 3 places.

Yeah, I watched the qualifying, but I fell asleep 10 minutes into the session, because it's 4AM in my country, and in the morning I was a little disappointed with Ferrari's result and quite surprised at how Russell got pole position. But even so, I still have hope that Ferrari can improve their performance in the next racing session, at least they should be able to get a top 10 position.
And for Daniel and Yuki, they both really showed very good performance in yesterday's qualifying session, especially Daniel who answered his self-criticism by showing that he can still give his best performance with a car like that. I hope the best for them.

[coinlocket$]

Its sun for the moment in Montreal but according to google at the moment of the race we will have almost 60% of possibility of rain.

Save the afternoon, if rains it will be one of the best races of the year for overtakes.

[swogerino]

Its sun for the moment in Montreal but according to google at the moment of the race we will have almost 60% of possibility of rain.

Save the afternoon, if rains it will be one of the best races of the year for overtakes.

It was a boring race despite the rain being there too.It was a total disaster for Ferrari and Perez,surely not the way to celebrate resigning with Redbull,luckily as always for them Verstappen saved the day.You could easily spot in the paddock high profiles of Redbull racing like Adrian Newey were missing,this for me means only one thing,it means trouble for the upcoming races for Redbull and a great opportunity for teams like McLaren most of all to fight back with Verstappen to let us enjoy beautiful races throughout the remaining races in what it is the longest ever Formula 1 season.

What a nightmare for Ferrari,both cars out but this is not the worse,the worse is they lacked speed,0.5 seconds losing only on the straight and this means they have to work,I mean work very hard if they intend to keep fighting back against the faster teams.

[coinlocket$]

as expected the race was full of twists and turns, but not in the victory. Max is the only driver to have made just one small mistake and for this reason he deserved to win.

Disaster at Ferrari with the worst race of the season, with engine and grip problems.

Better to lose one game 7-0 than to lose 7 games 1-0

Perez disastrous, his non-competitiveness confirms max's comfort zone and for this reason Verstappen wants him as second driver.