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January 25, 2017, 02:53:53 AM |
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I don't buy the theories r0ach is coming up with regarding naked shorting, that's just conspiracy bullshit imo.
Lol, it's conspiracy that other exchanges operate similar to how MtGox did? Since we're all aware MtGox actually existed, that's not "conspiracy theory", it's precedent for the Bitcoin market. That's not proof Bitfinex is doing the things you are accusing them of. You're making no sense.
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Bitcoin = Gold on steroids
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Creating a Bitcoin client that fully implements the network protocol is extremely difficult. Bitcoin Core and some of its derivatives are the only known safe implementations of full nodes. Some other projects attempt to compete, but it is not recommended to use such software for anything serious. (Lightweight clients like Electrum and Bither are OK.)
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Riddikulo
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January 25, 2017, 04:34:27 AM |
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If you really want to incentivise shrinking the UTXO set size, then the best solution is to remove the blocksize limit denominated in bytes, and replace it with a blocksize limit denominated in outputs. This way, the fee for a transaction with 100 inputs and 1 output is the same as a transactions with one input and one output. The concept of a UTXO that is too small valued to be profitable to spend goes away. All UTXOs are completely free to spend.
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MatDerKater
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January 25, 2017, 05:07:34 PM |
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Lost 0 at Bitfinex. I told everyone I know to remove funds from there after Brexit because it appeared someone (probably Finex owners) were naked shorting with infinite money as I talked about here: https://steemit.com/news/@r0achtheunsavory/bitfinex-is-lying-about-the-hack-and-i-can-tell-you-exactly-what-likely-happenedI even have screenshots still of right when Bitfinex came back online post-goxing. See anything fishy in this picture? An insolvent exchange in which nobody is actually going to put money on has all these big staggered walls on the sell side clearly all belonging to one entity (the house). Bitfinex is an actual bucketshop 100%.  The fact that not Bitstamp or any other exchange passed Finex in volume post-finex collapse and Finex is still leading in volume even with no margin enabled shows how big of a scam the current bitcoin market is. It's as if whenever a Karpeles Willy bot dies, a new one just pops up on a different exchange to trade with customer funds. What happened on Finex appears to be no difference whatsoever with what happened on MtGox, yet Finex was somehow not forced out of business while Gox was. I couldn't even begin to speculate regarding the intricacies of the skullduggery at Bitfinex..... .......but for what it's worth, I was lying in a field in Holland in August of last year tripping balls on Ayahuasca brew, and as I was mulling over the whole Bitfinex thing in my head, it became very clear to me that the whole thing was a big fkn inside racket. The instinct was clear as day, and no obfuscation of details could detract from that underlying truth. The Finex hack was a big fucking dirty scam, perpetrated by actors within Bitfinex itself. When I am proper smashed, and am in wandering along the deeper levels of the subconscious mind, I have 'otherwordly' insight and intuition. (granted, when I am sitting gnarling my teeth in front a of a computer screen with a big fkn chart on it in the midst of a caffeine overdose and sizeable trade in play, I am a complete fkn roaster and nobody should listen to me, and I include myself with that). But anyhow r0ach. You have completely changed your tune regarding Bitcoin. You have went from being one of the biggest Kool-Aid merchants around to being every bit as cynical about the whole project and more precisely, about what/who is controlling this market, as I am. You must have gotten BURNED!
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r0ach
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January 26, 2017, 03:36:28 AM |
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But anyhow r0ach.
You have completely changed your tune regarding Bitcoin. You have went from being one of the biggest Kool-Aid merchants around to being every bit as cynical about the whole project and more precisely, about what/who is controlling this market, as I am.
You must have gotten BURNED!
In terms of how much money I've put into Bitcoin and how much I've taken out, I'm up around 33x right now and every Bitcoin I own is completely free, but could have done a lot better profit-wise (mostly in terms of selling some alts too early). Yes, I am "mad bro" that I'm only up 33x when I could be up 100x or something instead if I capitalized on every opportunity perfectly in alts. I've never thought Bitcoin was actually better than metals, just that it had higher upside in the past, but at 1 MB blocks and no functional LN (which I'm not real confident can be done in a decentralized manner), I think the price could probably get stuck at $10,000 - $20,000 a coin, assuming it even got there. So to me, the potential upside in silver is as good or better than bitcoin nowadays while having less risk. The gold potential upside is around 20x, or ~ $20,000. Silver would maintain at least it's current ratios and 60:1 would be assured ($333), but it seems more likely the GSR would narrow to at least 30:1 ($666) in the process of metal revaluation. And of course going back to the traditional 10-15:1 would just be bonkers profits.
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January 26, 2017, 03:16:29 PM |
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January 26, 2017, 03:52:43 PM |
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I've never thought Bitcoin was actually better than metals, just that it had higher upside in the past, but at 1 MB blocks and no functional LN (which I'm not real confident can be done in a decentralized manner), I think the price could probably get stuck at $10,000 - $20,000 a coin, assuming it even got there. So to me, the potential upside in silver is as good or better than bitcoin nowadays while having less risk.
The gold potential upside is around 20x, or ~ $20,000. Silver would maintain at least it's current ratios and 60:1 would be assured ($333), but it seems more likely the GSR would narrow to at least 30:1 ($666) in the process of metal revaluation. And of course going back to the traditional 10-15:1 would just be bonkers profits.
I'm pretty sure that bitcoin will hit $10-20K/btc long before Gold will hit $20K/oz (like a few decades before). You'll be long old or dead before Gold ever gets there. But believe what you want on that. Also on the topic of scaling bitcoin, never underestimate the power and determination of technologists and their subsequent breakthroughs. History is littered with many a skeptic. There was a time when many skeptics believed that the Internet would never scale.
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January 27, 2017, 05:56:21 AM |
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I've never thought Bitcoin was actually better than metals, just that it had higher upside in the past, but at 1 MB blocks and no functional LN (which I'm not real confident can be done in a decentralized manner), I think the price could probably get stuck at $10,000 - $20,000 a coin, assuming it even got there. So to me, the potential upside in silver is as good or better than bitcoin nowadays while having less risk.
The gold potential upside is around 20x, or ~ $20,000. Silver would maintain at least it's current ratios and 60:1 would be assured ($333), but it seems more likely the GSR would narrow to at least 30:1 ($666) in the process of metal revaluation. And of course going back to the traditional 10-15:1 would just be bonkers profits.
I'm pretty sure that bitcoin will hit $10-20K/btc long before Gold will hit $20K/oz (like a few decades before). You'll be long old or dead before Gold ever gets there. But believe what you want on that. Also on the topic of scaling bitcoin, never underestimate the power and determination of technologists and their subsequent breakthroughs. History is littered with many a skeptic. There was a time when many skeptics believed that the Internet would never scale. Decades for gold and silver to go up? Yea right. The debt is too high for them to even normalize interest rates now and you're now getting currency wars where the goal is to see who can devalue their currency to 0 the fastest. Currency wars either end with a real war or both nations using metals as a common unit of account. There's also almost unanimous agreement to go back to a silver backed peso in Mexico, so if Trump should implode their economy, they will likely be moving to silver fast - which will then start to implode other ponzi fiats. There's about a million different reasons why metals will skyrocket in the near future and why governments will be using them in some manner.
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January 27, 2017, 07:50:28 AM Last edit: January 28, 2017, 06:12:03 AM by bitebits |
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There's about a million different reasons why metals will skyrocket in the near future and why governments will be using them in some manner.
Wouldn't that chance be already priced in?
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- You can figure out what will happen, not when /Warren Buffett - Pay any Bitcoin address privately with a little help of Monero: on. your. mark, get set, go!
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January 27, 2017, 09:16:28 AM |
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There's about a million different reasons why metals will skyrocket in the near future and why governments will be using them in some manner.
Wouldn't that change be already priced in? Um, no. Are you citing "efficient market hypothesis", which is the most wrong scam of an economic theory to ever exist? "The efficient market hypothesis (EMH) is an investment theory that states it is impossible to "beat the market" because stock market efficiency causes existing share prices to always incorporate and reflect all relevant information." According to that theory, it's not possible for millionaires to exist who made money in the stock market. It pretends there is no asymmetric information distribution or capability to analyze such data and that all humans are 100% optimized branch predictors LOL.
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January 28, 2017, 01:20:22 AM |
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There's about a million different reasons why metals will skyrocket in the near future and why governments will be using them in some manner.
Wouldn't that change be already priced in? Um, no. Are you citing "efficient market hypothesis", which is the most wrong scam of an economic theory to ever exist? "The efficient market hypothesis (EMH) is an investment theory that states it is impossible to "beat the market" because stock market efficiency causes existing share prices to always incorporate and reflect all relevant information." According to that theory, it's not possible for millionaires to exist who made money in the stock market. It pretends there is no asymmetric information distribution or capability to analyze such data and that all humans are 100% optimized branch predictors LOL. I always thought EMH was the emergent behaviour of the market - e.g. the current price. Participants all buy/sell, some win some lose, the distribution of winners losers is some statistical curve, normal, Poisson, whatever. I don't think winners and losers is mutually exclusive with EMH.
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January 28, 2017, 06:07:20 AM Last edit: January 28, 2017, 11:07:36 AM by r0ach |
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There's about a million different reasons why metals will skyrocket in the near future and why governments will be using them in some manner.
Wouldn't that change be already priced in? Um, no. Are you citing "efficient market hypothesis", which is the most wrong scam of an economic theory to ever exist? "The efficient market hypothesis (EMH) is an investment theory that states it is impossible to "beat the market" because stock market efficiency causes existing share prices to always incorporate and reflect all relevant information." According to that theory, it's not possible for millionaires to exist who made money in the stock market. It pretends there is no asymmetric information distribution or capability to analyze such data and that all humans are 100% optimized branch predictors LOL. I always thought EMH was the emergent behaviour of the market - e.g. the current price. Participants all buy/sell, some win some lose, the distribution of winners losers is some statistical curve, normal, Poisson, whatever. I don't think winners and losers is mutually exclusive with EMH. To me, it seems like they're either claiming you can't trade your way to fortune, or that your trades only have a 50/50 odds of hitting on a drawn out timeline. Whatever conclusion they're trying to imply doesn't seem to have any logic to it due to reasons I stated above like asymmetric information distribution and differing ability to analyze said data.
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January 31, 2017, 11:16:37 AM Last edit: February 02, 2017, 12:40:44 AM by MatDerKater |
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January 31, 2017, 09:53:59 PM |
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Demo account trade. But great read anyway. 
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MatDerKater
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February 02, 2017, 12:40:56 AM |
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Well, that will be that target hit, and it looks like BTC has a little pop in yet.....
.......I never took that trade, cos I am finished with trading Bitcoin, but if it was a real trade, I would have fkn missed it waiting on my buy in level..........(then next time the same setup came in, I would be tempted to jump right in on break out level, only for the market to do a U turn on my arse and wipe me out).
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February 02, 2017, 01:43:22 AM Last edit: February 02, 2017, 02:02:34 AM by STT |
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Dont give long term estimates in US dollars I recommend, it just swings back to the same argument of US debt unwinding. This gives me no information on the commodity being discussed, bitcoin, silver or oil etc Bitcoin might goto 10,000 and I still would be worse off then just paying off my house mortgage instead. If we're talking 25 years which is fair then it cant really be estimated properly in just one country's currency. If my mortgage was fixed rate in dollars then sure its all about dollar prices now and for the term of the fix but for alot of people thats not true and they will never consider it. I still think bitcoin is about the small money people not big but maybe Im wrong Until now, Hong Kong has been regarded as a haven from arbitrary police and judicial action, but global companies will have to reconsider this in the wake of Mr Xiao’s disappearance. In mainland China itself, his abduction will send a chilling message to the super-wealthy, who already believe Mr Xi has launched a war against them. It will also accelerate the pace of capital flight. https://www.ft.com/content/4335d364-e7d4-11e6-893c-082c54a7f539Bitcoin quite bullish now, the test being to establish itself above any double top scenario. Im interested how many currencies have made new highs in Bitcoin, Egypt will be one of them after losing value by drastic amounts last year  i don't have one shred of sympathy for the guy I blame grandpa, most find that much cash a burden. The smart thing is to share it around, act like a poor man who knows little on every decision. Only build on your success not your guess
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February 04, 2017, 06:13:05 PM Last edit: February 04, 2017, 06:24:40 PM by Torque |
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MattD if you are out of the Bitcoin market, then why do you care? Oh wait... closed your short yet? 
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February 04, 2017, 07:26:46 PM |
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MattD if you are out of the Bitcoin market, then why do you care? Oh wait... closed your short yet?  I still like to follow markets, and Bitcoin is a market I have paid very close attention to..... .....oddly, when one doesn't have a trade on, or have a litany of recent trades, whether they be wins or losses, the market also seems so much clearer.
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