Bitmain's Released Antminer S9, World's First 16nm Miner Ready to Order

[Yrth]

Interesting, is anyone actually using T9s? They were not available for quite some time. Now shipping in 10 days? Can anyone decipher Bitmains strategy here? They release weaker miners like T9 and A3, shipping in 10 days, while the S9 are not available at all.

I am assuming that they have the logistics nailed down and have no problem going from manufacturing to shipping thousands of units in a matter of days. Over the last 2-3 months I read more and more that they actually are delivering units 2-4 weeks ahead of schedule. Let's hope that is still the case as I am waiting on March S9 batches.

I think S9 march batches will be the last S9, i think there will be new miner using new chip after.

Why do you think so? I haven't seen any solid info showing Bitmain's making a new miner or at least a new Bitcoin ASIC chip, and they are still in a good position to make money by just lowering the price of their S9 if more competition comes around.

Plus even if they do get it ready soon, Bitmain will stock their farm first. Then sell all their old used gear to us at fire sale prices.

[Raymond_B]

Interesting, is anyone actually using T9s? They were not available for quite some time. Now shipping in 10 days? Can anyone decipher Bitmains strategy here? They release weaker miners like T9 and A3, shipping in 10 days, while the S9 are not available at all.

I am assuming that they have the logistics nailed down and have no problem going from manufacturing to shipping thousands of units in a matter of days. Over the last 2-3 months I read more and more that they actually are delivering units 2-4 weeks ahead of schedule. Let's hope that is still the case as I am waiting on March S9 batches.

I think S9 march batches will be the last S9, i think there will be new miner using new chip after.

Why do you think so? I haven't seen any solid info showing Bitmain's making a new miner or at least a new Bitcoin ASIC chip, and they are still in a good position to make money by just lowering the price of their S9 if more competition comes around.

Plus even if they do get it ready soon, Bitmain will stock their farm first. Then sell all their old used gear to us at fire sale prices.

I bristle every time someone suggests Bitmain uses the miners then sells them as new. Every one of mine have been new, if they were run for 30-60 days as urban legend says there'd be some sort of evidence. My urban-legend/theory is that people are buying from re-sellers and that is where this came from.

[CrypotoCreanis]

I bristle every time someone suggests Bitmain uses the miners then sells them as new. Every one of mine have been new, if they were run for 30-60 days as urban legend says there'd be some sort of evidence. My urban-legend/theory is that people are buying from re-sellers and that is where this came from.

I couldn't agree more. There is no way my miners had been used before for anything more than QC testing, and I would be amazed if that even happened

[samsonn25]

Interesting, is anyone actually using T9s? They were not available for quite some time. Now shipping in 10 days? Can anyone decipher Bitmains strategy here? They release weaker miners like T9 and A3, shipping in 10 days, while the S9 are not available at all.

I am assuming that they have the logistics nailed down and have no problem going from manufacturing to shipping thousands of units in a matter of days. Over the last 2-3 months I read more and more that they actually are delivering units 2-4 weeks ahead of schedule. Let's hope that is still the case as I am waiting on March S9 batches.

I think S9 march batches will be the last S9, i think there will be new miner using new chip after.

Why do you think so? I haven't seen any solid info showing Bitmain's making a new miner or at least a new Bitcoin ASIC chip, and they are still in a good position to make money by just lowering the price of their S9 if more competition comes around.

Plus even if they do get it ready soon, Bitmain will stock their farm first. Then sell all their old used gear to us at fire sale prices.

I bristle every time someone suggests Bitmain uses the miners then sells them as new. Every one of mine have been new, if they were run for 30-60 days as urban legend says there'd be some sort of evidence. My urban-legend/theory is that people are buying from re-sellers and that is where this came from.

There would be not much evidence anyway.

The only moving parts are the fans.  Only other contact points used once or twice are Input to eth cable and input for power plugs.

[samsonn25]

Interesting, is anyone actually using T9s? They were not available for quite some time. Now shipping in 10 days? Can anyone decipher Bitmains strategy here? They release weaker miners like T9 and A3, shipping in 10 days, while the S9 are not available at all.

I am assuming that they have the logistics nailed down and have no problem going from manufacturing to shipping thousands of units in a matter of days. Over the last 2-3 months I read more and more that they actually are delivering units 2-4 weeks ahead of schedule. Let's hope that is still the case as I am waiting on March S9 batches.

I think S9 march batches will be the last S9, i think there will be new miner using new chip after.

Why do you think so? I haven't seen any solid info showing Bitmain's making a new miner or at least a new Bitcoin ASIC chip, and they are still in a good position to make money by just lowering the price of their S9 if more competition comes around.

Plus even if they do get it ready soon, Bitmain will stock their farm first. Then sell all their old used gear to us at fire sale prices.

I bristle every time someone suggests Bitmain uses the miners then sells them as new. Every one of mine have been new, if they were run for 30-60 days as urban legend says there'd be some sort of evidence. My urban-legend/theory is that people are buying from re-sellers and that is where this came from.

How many open box motherboards have you seen at Micro Center? most of them are returns by customers who changed their minds or used them and didnt want them.   Thousands and they all look brand new

Other examples are items used by customer and returned to Costco, Sams Club, Amazon warehouse, etc.

You are fooling yourself if you think they are in the business to serve you guys, the little people with their newest stuff.

It doesnt really matter anyway, there is virtually no difference between a chip used for 1 or 2 or 3 months. They last 10-20++ years when cooled correctly.

[mineintx]

Just was on bitmain website..

S9's were available for sale (2 am Chicago time, Wednesday morning).  

I was able to load 10 into my card, and complete the order..   No mention of a sale on twitter.  Everyone else seeing this?

[kampaeros]

Just was on bitmain website..

S9's were available for sale (2 am Chicago time, Wednesday morning).  

I was able to load 10 into my card, and complete the order..   No mention of a sale on twitter.  Everyone else seeing this?

Yes it's on sale again.  But why would you buy them in March when you could get the T9 within a week and start mining now?

[rizla.plus]

Just was on bitmain website..

S9's were available for sale (2 am Chicago time, Wednesday morning).  

I was able to load 10 into my card, and complete the order..   No mention of a sale on twitter.  Everyone else seeing this?

The March dump gets bigger and bigger.
And of course, people keep buying and buying.

[mineintx]

Just was on bitmain website..

S9's were available for sale (2 am Chicago time, Wednesday morning).  

I was able to load 10 into my card, and complete the order..   No mention of a sale on twitter.  Everyone else seeing this?

Yes it's on sale again.  But why would you buy them in March when you could get the T9 within a week and start mining now?

Maybe I am crazy, but the T9 is 10.5 Th/s , and the S9 is 13.5 Th/s.   Power looks the same to me.  I rather mine the larger machine for same power..  T9 has to be older hardware..

[milagm]

Haha. It took only about 3 hours and S9 is now sold out
(06:00 - 8:45 UTC)

[Apprentice]

Just was on bitmain website..

S9's were available for sale (2 am Chicago time, Wednesday morning).  

I was able to load 10 into my card, and complete the order..   No mention of a sale on twitter.  Everyone else seeing this?

Yes it's on sale again.  But why would you buy them in March when you could get the T9 within a week and start mining now?

Maybe I am crazy, but the T9 is 10.5 Th/s , and the S9 is 13.5 Th/s.   Power looks the same to me.  I rather mine the larger machine for same power..  T9 has to be older hardware..

and the T9 is more expensive per Ths. What are the guarantees that it will last longer though?! Plus it generates more heat.

[mineintx]

Haha. It took only 3 hours and S9 is now sold out

Yeah that was interesting.  The bitmain website actually works (sometimes)

So Samsung is supposedly building new chips for rigs, bitcoin price is weaker..

Are the S9 a good buy (at this time for delivery in March).   I own a couple of them, and I think long term, not a get rich quick idea, they will make money, not at the $ 4000 ebay price, but at $ 2800 landed cost, I think over time I will make money on these things.

I guess a lot of it is where the coin will be in 6 months, 12 months from now.   If above $ 10k, should make money, if below $ 8k, maybe not..

[milagm]

I guess a lot of it is where the coin will be in 6 months, 12 months from now.   If above $ 10k, should make money, if below $ 8k, maybe not..

Just look the profitability history for the whole year of 2017 and you will get a quite good picture what it will be at what price and difficulty. So it varies A LOT.

Next difficulty check will be after 7 days and we are expecting about +15% rise in it because the current block times are somewhere at 8 min 30s.

The current mining profits are about $11 and have been lately in heavy bear sentiment.

So the near future does not look good for the quick bucks at this moment. Those who got these units on $1415 (november 2017 batch, in mining from the beginning of 2018) are in much better position.

But as you can see from the profitability history you have to look these things in much longer term than just 1 or 2 months -> annually

[latoxine34]

Just was on bitmain website..

S9's were available for sale (2 am Chicago time, Wednesday morning).  

I was able to load 10 into my card, and complete the order..   No mention of a sale on twitter.  Everyone else seeing this?

no telegram bitmainbot alert...

[milagm]

In stock again... it seems they have split the availability for different geographical regions.

[kodokbuduk]

USD accepted on S9 sale too

[latoxine34]

More available right now.

And of course when bch cost nothing ( except for us who have bought them few days ago...   )

[richdmz]

for shipping to the US, is there a preferred shipper (UPS, Fedex, DHL)

[Logan4el]

At least you will have nice heater with 6 months warranty 

[mineintx]

More available right now.

at 9:45 am Chicago time (Wednesday), sold out of S9 !