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October 17, 2016, 12:13:47 AM
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question now is what they do with the coins

Hold until it hits an exchange and explodes. As usual.

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October 17, 2016, 12:58:23 AM
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Hashrate's going up pretty fast!

I ordered an RX 480, and hopefully next weekend I can get around to making a (fairly unoptimized) public OpenCL miner. Ballpark estimates, AMD cards will probably pull 3-4x the performance per dollar of NVidia cards.

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October 17, 2016, 01:04:37 AM
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Hashrate's going up pretty fast!

I ordered an RX 480, and hopefully next weekend I can get around to making a (fairly unoptimized) public OpenCL miner. Ballpark estimates, AMD cards will probably pull 3-4x the performance per dollar of NVidia cards.

Many thanks.

You think you'll use the new rpc port or you'll use the same method of the nvidia miner?
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October 17, 2016, 01:17:15 AM
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Hashrate's going up pretty fast!

I ordered an RX 480, and hopefully next weekend I can get around to making a (fairly unoptimized) public OpenCL miner. Ballpark estimates, AMD cards will probably pull 3-4x the performance per dollar of NVidia cards.

Many thanks.

You think you'll use the new rpc port or you'll use the same method of the nvidia miner?

Due to a lack of time, it'll probably end up being the same method as the NVidia cards, but I'll also write a super-simple Java proxy that connects to the 1.0.7 RPC and creates the mining files that the file-based miners need, and then ferries the results back to PascalCoin's RPC.

So it'll work with 1.0.7, but you'll need to run a Java intermediary. It'll probably work like this: make your miner name 8 characters long in the PascalCoin wallet (reserving the last two characters for miner numbers), then connect the Java client, tell it how many GPUs you want to support, and it'll make the appropriate number of mining files. The miners will then be given a gpu number argument, and they'll use that to determine which files they mine with (so the Java proxy would write files like headerout0.txt and datain0.txt, headerout1.txt and datain1.txt, etc. (0 to (n-1), where n is the number of GPUs you want to mine with), and a miner running on device 0 would read from headerout0.txt and write to datain0.txt, etc. The proxy would detect changes in the datain files, and submit those to the PascalCoin wallet.

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October 17, 2016, 02:08:26 AM
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OCMINER339 what the hell?

Troll name I guess but how do you get at least 339 miners? that's 339 gpus  Lips sealed

Guess these farms have to pay the bills eventually......... let the speculation begin.



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October 17, 2016, 02:31:31 AM
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I don't know who the ocminer person is, but it also appears someone is actively trying to DDOS nodes/servers and other miners. My wallet is having issues staying running and appears to not be able to hash properly due to constant attacks causing it to search for servers.

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October 17, 2016, 02:45:05 AM
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Pascal is only 2 months old and already being attacked. I guess people are seeing the potential and are scared.

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October 17, 2016, 02:52:19 AM
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Pascal is only 2 months old and already being attacked. I guess people are seeing the potential and are scared.

So this ocminer person ddosing while cpu mining with a botnet then?? if those were gpus it wouldn't make sense to have such a huge farm pointed at a coin with no market...

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October 17, 2016, 03:00:38 AM
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Pascal is only 2 months old and already being attacked. I guess people are seeing the potential and are scared.

So this ocminer person ddosing while cpu mining with a botnet then?? if those were gpus it wouldn't make sense to have such a huge farm pointed at a coin with no market...


When your in control of supply, it makes sense.  Smiley

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October 17, 2016, 09:59:23 AM
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Pretty sure OCminer has made his own AMD miner.

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October 17, 2016, 12:30:50 PM
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I don't see any blocks mined by a OCminerXXX under 100 at least...

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October 17, 2016, 12:54:37 PM
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I don't see any blocks mined by a OCminerXXX under 100 at least...
ocminer has 36 miners, as at block 22522 it found 112 blocks which is 11,200 pascal coins.

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October 17, 2016, 12:58:38 PM
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Yeah there certainly aren't 300+ ocminers, unless he/she's using the same name on multiple rigs.

I'm seeing:
ocminer101
ocminer102
ocminer104
ocminer105

ocminer122

ocminer131
ocminer132
ocminer133

ocminer201
ocminer202
ocminer205

ocminer261
ocminer262

ocminer281
ocminer282
ocminer283
ocminer284

ocminer339

And some others, but notice the clustering? They probably have several rigs, and they just name each GPU in the rig sequentially (so ocminer281, 282, 283, and 284 are likely all cards on a 4-GPU box, etc). Obviously just speculation, and people are free to name their miners whatever they want so this isn't necessarily the case. But there's not 300+ ocminers, the names are quite spread-out in that range.


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October 17, 2016, 01:29:29 PM
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I don't see any blocks mined by a OCminerXXX under 100 at least...
ocminer has 36 miners, as at block 22522 it found 112 blocks which is 11,200 pascal coins.

I'm guessing some1 got an Amd miner working as most farms run Amds.
So sad. Before GPUs I got that in a day.  Cry

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October 17, 2016, 02:13:51 PM
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Don't worry guys, I know a guy who can figure this out.

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October 17, 2016, 02:16:03 PM
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Yeah there certainly aren't 300+ ocminers, unless he/she's using the same name on multiple rigs.

I'm seeing:
ocminer101
ocminer102
ocminer104
ocminer105

ocminer122

ocminer131
ocminer132
ocminer133

ocminer201
ocminer202
ocminer205

ocminer261
ocminer262

ocminer281
ocminer282
ocminer283
ocminer284

ocminer339

And some others, but notice the clustering? They probably have several rigs, and they just name each GPU in the rig sequentially (so ocminer281, 282, 283, and 284 are likely all cards on a 4-GPU box, etc). Obviously just speculation, and people are free to name their miners whatever they want so this isn't necessarily the case. But there's not 300+ ocminers, the names are quite spread-out in that range.


It would be nice to have somewhere in the code where you could at least block based on names, block ocminer* and then they would have to change it, and then
it would be another block....

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it would be another block....

What would that accomplish?
Besides. We can be jealous, but not mad at whoever is dominating the hash rate. We're all in it to make $$. So unless some1 is a dirty communist, let others profit. Their investment is MUCH larger than most.

So is their potential loss if things don't work out.

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It would be nice to have somewhere in the code where you could at least block based on names, block ocminer* and then they would have to change it, and then
it would be another block....

What would that accomplish?
Besides. We can be jealous, but not mad at whoever is dominating the hash rate. We're all in it to make $$. So unless some1 is a dirty communist, let others profit. Their investment is MUCH larger than most.

So is their potential loss if things don't work out.

Yeah, this is the part that a lot of people don't realize. There surely are people who make fantastic profits in crypto, but they also take on significant risk, and devote significant time/talent. And in the end, large farms increase the hashrate, help the security of networks, and cause the token to become more scarce, making the token more valuable and validating the network's goals by putting time, effort, and capital behind investing in it.

At the same time, it's always unnerving when one party is known to control the majority of a network's hashrate.

People who talk about ways to "block" (ha) certain individuals from participating are looking for short-term, hackish solutions. Playing whack-a-mole with actors on the network only adds centralization and forces those actors underground. If we had a way to reject blocks labeled by "ocminer*"... who makes that decision? How is that enforced? Is it a client update? That'll cause a hard-fork because it changes the consensus rules the network is enforcing (clients who don't update will accept ocminer* blocks, clients who update won't accept them, so the clients who accept the update will be on a different blockchain). If clients are already built to allow enforcement of these rules, then someone has to have the authority to "tell" the network to do this. Is it the developer, who sends a signed message to the network which says "block blocks from ocminer*"? Is it distributed voting (which would be near-useless if a party controls the majority of the network's consensus anyhow)?

And even assuming we could enforce a rule like this without issue, the individual or group making the ocminer* blocks would just switch to another name. Or more likely, they would switch to several, apparently-unconnected names to evade detection.

Here is a grossly-incomplete list of design considerations of a permissionless, decentralized, distributed, trustless blockchain:
1. There is no reliable way to determine whether an individual or party is or is not active on the network at any particular time (other individuals could be working on their behalf to perform a proof-of-liveliness, etc.)
2. There is no reliable way to determine whether multiple nodes are controlled by a single individual
3. There is no reliable way for the network to block IPs, geographical areas, OSes, etc.
4. There is no reliable way to limit an individual or party to only one node
5. There is no reliable way to limit an individual or party to only one network identity (like an address)
6. There is no reliable way to limit an individual or party to a certain hashrate
7. There is no reliable way to determine whether a particular network identity is owned by the same individual or party as another particular network identity

Note that all of the above are possible if you're willing to sacrifice decentralization, trustlessness, permissionless, etc.

Also, that doesn't mean that there aren't ways to encourage certain behavior, just no way to require/enforce it. In general, it's much easier to encourage a party *to* do something than to *not* do it.

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October 17, 2016, 03:13:14 PM
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It would be nice to have somewhere in the code where you could at least block based on names, block ocminer* and then they would have to change it, and then
it would be another block....

What would that accomplish?
Besides. We can be jealous, but not mad at whoever is dominating the hash rate. We're all in it to make $$. So unless some1 is a dirty communist, let others profit. Their investment is MUCH larger than most.

So is their potential loss if things don't work out.

Yeah, this is the part that a lot of people don't realize. There surely are people who make fantastic profits in crypto, but they also take on significant risk, and devote significant time/talent. And in the end, large farms increase the hashrate, help the security of networks, and cause the token to become more scarce, making the token more valuable and validating the network's goals by putting time, effort, and capital behind investing in it.

At the same time, it's always unnerving when one party is known to control the majority of a network's hashrate.

I was referring to the DDOS attacks.

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October 17, 2016, 03:13:30 PM
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At this point I can't mine anymore because it says that my node is running but I'm not mining.
When I start the wallet I get 4-6 connections then they all disconnect until 1 remains and I can't mine.  Huh

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