[AMC]-The Official Active Mining Cooperative Discussion

[TheSwede75]

Actually, in the name of simplicity how about we just make it a straight bet? Over/under in 30 days. I win if AMC trades consistently under 0.0015 and you win if it trades consistently over 0.0025.

How about we trade like grown ups instead of adolescent wannabes living the dream of inheriting the older brother's basement pad? Write me a call option for 250K AMC or STFU. Please  .

Like anyone wants do deal with you child. Feel like honoring your original call offer? Nah, didn't think so. I mean it IS a day old, so of course you closed it.

Just move on kid. If you can't even man up when Entropy showed you he could cover it you should just stop with this whole Internet thing. Deep failure son.

WTF? Swede, you don't even make sense anymore. You have typed to the limit and have entered the death spiral.

Closed what?! What is a day old?! Is English your second language? Presumably it is, but I was taught Nordics were of above average intelligence. Really, it appears you may have an abnormally low IQ for your phenotype. Can your Social Democratic society fix your failings?

In areas of commerce, what the hell are you smoking? I think I'd like to try some, so please box it and sell it to me.

Ha ha, did you piss your pants kid? Or are you just too broke to even take Entropys offer of free money? Maybe you should stop being just a pathetic AMC shill and wake up. Intro post and then nothing until you started whining in this thread.. Pro level kid..

Oh dear. Swede can't afford the call option. His resources fall short when compared to his bluster.

250K AMC. Name your Strike. European or US, your choice.

Seriously child.  Post some proof you can afford it.

10 BTC in free money just waiting for you to take my bet.

CALL 250K AMC. Name your Strike. European or US, your choice.

I will take your refusal to make an offer tonight an admission that you and your tag team can't cut the mustard.

Until then, sweet dreams little ones.

I don't always spot 13 year olds, but when I do:

- they back out when anyone calls their bluff
- they have EVERY post in the same thread
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- go home kid.

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[TheSwede75]

I think this is a perfect example for why there should be more enforcement by the mods here on bitcointalk.

Why are the mods allowing this thread to be filled with such drivel for so long? It is not little to no discussion and instead just garbage 1 on 1 arguments that add nothing to the topic at hand. It got so bad, even another thread was made!

I have created a poll, to ask users of this thread whether I should delete post that are not discussing the merits of AMC.  Please vote on this poll.

I think you should clean things up.

To save you some trouble, I'm going to remove my sparring with lolstate.  I really should have known better.

+1

It started out with an annoying kid, now it's just sad. I do look forward to clarification on a lot of issues.

[The_Jacobson]

I don't know if it's just me or it bothers anyone else but can we do something about the price & volume graph on btct. It seems like the one share that went for .1 is screwing everything up.

[gramma]

Ken, rather than putting up a poll in regards to censorship please address the discussed issues in the last 1-2 days for the sake of the AMC shareholders. First thing that you need to clear up is the AMC/VMC issue.

^^^^^ This.  But please don't stop with AMC/VMC.  There have been other serious concerns brought up.  While trolls are doubters, not all doubters are trolls.

[bigdude]

I don't always spot 13 year olds, but when I do:

- they back out when anyone calls their bluff
- they have EVERY post in the same thread
-
- go home kid.

This is the kind of post that needs to get removed from the thread - so I will vote Yes to removing completely irrelevant posts not related to AMC


EDIT: I am concerned though, that Ken has time to put up a Poll, but ignores the geniune questions that NEED answers. There are reasons the shares have tanked, and one reason is because of the silence. I am a shareholder, and I am not a weak hand, yet I too am getting increasingly worried.

[TheSwede75]

I don't always spot 13 year olds, but when I do:

- they back out when anyone calls their bluff
- they have EVERY post in the same thread
-
- go home kid.

This is the kind of post that needs to get removed from the thread - so I will vote Yes to removing completely irrelevant posts not related to AMC


EDIT: I am concerned though, that Ken has time to put up a Poll, but ignores the geniune questions that NEED answers. There are reasons the shares have tanked, and one reason is because of the silence. I am a shareholder, and I am not a weak hand, yet I too am getting increasingly worried.

Sorry, I do feel a little bad about that entry. I guess I got a little carried away.

I am fine with having a mod, Burnside or even Ken remove off-topic posts.

I do however still consider there to be a vast amount of issues that need to be addressed before I can call AMC anything else then a "pretty damn close to a complete scam" based on a lot of the things brought up here. Starting with but not exclusively related to:

- pricing structure and expected profit margin
- ownership structure
- share structure
- ownership structure relating to profit and risk sharing related to VMC'S/AMC and Ken.
- listing practices and total share amount, listing time and dividend placement

[pneumatic5]

If were talking about outright calling AMC a scam literally in every sentence in a post, or abusive text, then yes please remove them all. I come home to 4 more pages of text in the thread, and half of it is people arguing or the same bashing. I really like what some dissidents have to say, especially when they offer a solution they think would be better for the company. This would in turn be better received by ken, and we can actually move on. SO DONT REMOVE NEGATIVE COMMENTS ABOUT AMC, but do moderate them for insanely ridiculous posts that do nothing but spread mindless FUD.

Like this post (despite the word scam being used, its not outright calling it that, and brings up real issues that is concise and easy to follow):

I don't always spot 13 year olds, but when I do:

- they back out when anyone calls their bluff
- they have EVERY post in the same thread
-
- go home kid.

This is the kind of post that needs to get removed from the thread - so I will vote Yes to removing completely irrelevant posts not related to AMC


EDIT: I am concerned though, that Ken has time to put up a Poll, but ignores the geniune questions that NEED answers. There are reasons the shares have tanked, and one reason is because of the silence. I am a shareholder, and I am not a weak hand, yet I too am getting increasingly worried.

Sorry, I do feel a little bad about that entry. I guess I got a little carried away.

I am fine with having a mod, Burnside or even Ken remove off-topic posts.

I do however still consider there to be a vast amount of issues that need to be addressed before I can call AMC anything else then a "pretty damn close to a complete scam" based on a lot of the things brought up here. Starting with but not exclusively related to:

- pricing structure and expected profit margin
- ownership structure
- share structure
- ownership structure relating to profit and risk sharing related to VMC'S/AMC and Ken.
- listing practices and total share amount, listing time and dividend placement

[stenkross]

I have created a poll, to ask users of this thread whether I should delete post that are not discussing the merits of AMC.  Please vote on this poll.

If 'no' wins, please create a blog or something where updates/news are posted.
This thread is growing too fast with utterly nonsense for a full time working dad to keep up with (you know, there are people who don't spend their entire lives in front of bitcointalk.org).

[lolstate]

I have created a poll, to ask users of this thread whether I should delete post that are not discussing the merits of AMC.  Please vote on this poll.

If 'no' wins, please create a blog or something where updates/news are posted.
This thread is growing too fast with utterly nonsense for a full time working dad to keep up with (you know, there are people who don't spend their entire lives in front of bitcointalk.org).

I'd be happy with this thread going into cold storage, and for Ken to start a new moderated thread. He could add a note in the first post as to why it will be moderated, and quote some examples of where Megamouth, Swede etc engaged in malicious typing on this one, show the kind of behaviour that won't be tolerated.

Ken, if you feel after the vote that deleting any of my posts is needed to tidy up, please do so with gusto!

[EskimoBob]

Treasury:      0.12 BTC ?

What is that?

He pays dividends to unsold shares, so they go back to the company on top of the 'reinvestment shares'.

I know, both concepts are ridiculous, and would never pass muster with an accountant.  It's just another mechanism to bleed the shareholders.

Seriously? Only that is enough to never list stuff like that.
You are correct it ridiculous and you do not have to be accountant to understand this. Is it possible, he has no idea wtf treasury stock is and just used a fancy word?

Every share bought back by the Co becomes treasury stock - no divs, no voting. Period! Those share can be later canceled.
When shares are bought back - number of outstanding shares must be reduced (btc-tc supports that) and there is also reduction of company assets (_cash_ used to buy the shares). This is usually done when Co shares are undervalued for what ever reason and it actually makes sense to buy them back.

If Co has 1000 outstanding shares and 1000 coins
Co buys back 100 shares for 100 coins, they are left with 900 shares outstanding and 900 coins as cash.

Now, if that same Co makes 50 in profit and has 900 shares outstanding and 100 in treasury, 50 gets divided by 900 shares and NOT by 1000 (900+100)

"reinvestment share"? I hope they mean the % of profits reinvested. Nothing wrong with that because the coin stays in the Co as an asset.

I do not have enough LTC shares to be part of the official voting process. Regardless, we need to do everything to keep scams like this off the exchange(s).

Now, this scam has happened. Guy has the coin and it's probably all transferred to his wallet. Only way to fix this mess is if he fixes the contract so shareholders do not get ripped off.

Ken, are you willing to do that?

[Matt_S]

Can we get a top 10 shareholders list please? Interesting to see what they look like.

[John818]

Vote:  YES

[lolstate]

I think this is a perfect example for why there should be more enforcement by the mods here on bitcointalk.

Why are the mods allowing this thread to be filled with such drivel for so long? It is not little to no discussion and instead just garbage 1 on 1 arguments that add nothing to the topic at hand. It got so bad, even another thread was made!

I have created a poll, to ask users of this thread whether I should delete post that are not discussing the merits of AMC.  Please vote on this poll.

I voted Yes, let's see what you consider worth keeping. My bet is none of questions or concerns rised by few of us here will stay.

Megamouth, most of your posts here are spam. Even if Ken deletes all of your posts, you, Swede and Entropy won't escape your malicious and juvenile behaviour. I'll be reminding people on other threads that you tried to bully your way through this one, for whoever knows what real reason.

[stereotype]

The question should be, who is paying for the coordinated negative postings? I vote to easily investigate multiple accounts, and the buying/selling of accounts, which of course wont happen.

Ken. Someone influential voted you enemy of the week, me thinks.

[steveioio]

Forget the Poll Ken - the thread has only got this way because of your silence. Start addressing the valid concerns and you won't then need to censor your shareholders.

My advice needs to be repeated - cover yourself here and don't put anymore money into VMC's account until 'Mr Slaughter' reveals himself and answers the valid questions that he has blatently been refusing to answer.

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

The question should be, who is paying for the coordinated negative postings? I vote to easily investigate multiple accounts, and the buying/selling of accounts, which of course wont happen.

Ken. Someone influential voted you enemy of the week, me thinks.

People who actually know how to invest, simple.

[lolstate]

Forget the Poll Ken - the thread has only got this way because of your silence. Start addressing the valid concerns and you won't then need to censor your shareholders.

My advice needs to be repeated - cover yourself here and don't put anymore money into VMC's account until 'Mr Slaughter' reveals himself and answers the valid questions that he has blatently been refusing to answer.

Steveioio, I'm close to putting you in the same bucket as MM, Swede and Entropy. I'll be watching carefully to see if you can stay on topic, or resort to spamming people with inane typing like they have.

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

Forget the Poll Ken - the thread has only got this way because of your silence. Start addressing the valid concerns and you won't then need to censor your shareholders.

My advice needs to be repeated - cover yourself here and don't put anymore money into VMC's account until 'Mr Slaughter' reveals himself and answers the valid questions that he has blatently been refusing to answer.

Steveioio, I'm close to putting you in the same bucket as MM, Swede and Entropy. I'll be watching carefully to see if you can stay on topic, or resort to spamming people with inane typing like they have.

Having being around when pirateat40 was around, you can tell that lolstate is pretty much identical to one of the pirate supporters.

Have fun losing your money.

[lolstate]

Forget the Poll Ken - the thread has only got this way because of your silence. Start addressing the valid concerns and you won't then need to censor your shareholders.

My advice needs to be repeated - cover yourself here and don't put anymore money into VMC's account until 'Mr Slaughter' reveals himself and answers the valid questions that he has blatently been refusing to answer.

Steveioio, I'm close to putting you in the same bucket as MM, Swede and Entropy. I'll be watching carefully to see if you can stay on topic, or resort to spamming people with inane typing like they have.

Having being around when pirateat40 was around, you can tell that lolstate is pretty much identical to one of the pirate supporters.

Have fun losing your money.

Tell me more. We need some genuine discourse in this thread.

[steveioio]

Steveioio, I'm close to putting you in the same bucket as MM, Swede and Entropy. I'll be watching carefully to see if you can stay on topic, or resort to spamming people with inane typing like they have.

I wont directly reply to this threat that adds nothing to the discussion. Pure spam.