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September 27, 2014, 06:33:46 AM Last edit: September 27, 2014, 06:46:31 AM by yellowduck2 |
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Alright with all this info here I can not decide of I should go with 2x 750s or 1 970. Space is not a problem for I want to start rolling out the old outdated 270xs
I'm doing exactly the same thing at the moment, I have acquired both 750ti's and 970s. My favourite is still the 750ti's, but I'm mining only x11 so it may be different for other algo's. the algos needs to be tuned for these cards. It seems obvious that the capacity of the 750ti hasn't disapeared, they are just hiding. That's one of the inconvenient of ccminer is that there isn't anything to configure for the user, that doesn't mean there is nothing to do... I already reclaimed 0.6M on xcn + 1MH by adjusting the mem clock to 3500MHz using nvidia inspector (really strange, it applies for the mem clock the P2 state parameters and for the core clock P3 state... I think there is a major srew up here they are running so cool, I will have problem in winter Ya it's interesting you say that. TDP is never more than 55-60% when mining x11 on the 750ti's. So there's plenty to come I'm sure. I think with the 970/980s it was an expectation thing, people get excited and sometimes a little unrealistic, including myself. I was dreaming of 6 x 980 rigs making mining profitable again... People are getting unrealistic even with 750 ti. Buying 750 ti now for mining is crazy. I already start selling off all my card since 2 weeks ago, i am still selling. I have not even sold half of my total number of cards. I think it will take at least 1 - 2 months to completely sell all my cards. Buying coins is much more cost effective now than buying card for mining because of low BTC price and too many people mining. I guess some people just like the idea of generating money out of GPU. I can bet using the same amount of money i buy the coin that the person mine i can ROI much faster and profit easier.
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Alright with all this info here I can not decide of I should go with 2x 750s or 1 970. Space is not a problem for I want to start rolling out the old outdated 270xs
I'm doing exactly the same thing at the moment, I have acquired both 750ti's and 970s. My favourite is still the 750ti's, but I'm mining only x11 so it may be different for other algo's. the algos needs to be tuned for these cards. It seems obvious that the capacity of the 750ti hasn't disapeared, they are just hiding. That's one of the inconvenient of ccminer is that there isn't anything to configure for the user, that doesn't mean there is nothing to do... I already reclaimed 0.6M on xcn + 1MH by adjusting the mem clock to 3500MHz using nvidia inspector (really strange, it applies for the mem clock the P2 state parameters and for the core clock P3 state... I think there is a major srew up here they are running so cool, I will have problem in winter Ya it's interesting you say that. TDP is never more than 55-60% when mining x11 on the 750ti's. So there's plenty to come I'm sure. I think with the 970/980s it was an expectation thing, people get excited and sometimes a little unrealistic, including myself. I was dreaming of 6 x 980 rigs making mining profitable again... People are getting unrealistic even with 750 ti. Buying 750 ti now for mining is crazy. I already start selling off all my card since 2 weeks ago, i am still selling. I have not even sold half of my total number of cards. I think it will take at least 1 - 2 months to completely sell all my cards. Buying coins is much more cost effective now than buying card for mining. I guess some people just like the idea of generating money out of GPU because it's funny, a bit like gaming for me, and there is one big difference between mining and buying directly, with mining you can always resell your equipment, with buying if the coin die(or price decrease too much) you are screwed, and gpu can't "die" like a coin
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September 27, 2014, 06:48:26 AM |
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Alright with all this info here I can not decide of I should go with 2x 750s or 1 970. Space is not a problem for I want to start rolling out the old outdated 270xs
I'm doing exactly the same thing at the moment, I have acquired both 750ti's and 970s. My favourite is still the 750ti's, but I'm mining only x11 so it may be different for other algo's. the algos needs to be tuned for these cards. It seems obvious that the capacity of the 750ti hasn't disapeared, they are just hiding. That's one of the inconvenient of ccminer is that there isn't anything to configure for the user, that doesn't mean there is nothing to do... I already reclaimed 0.6M on xcn + 1MH by adjusting the mem clock to 3500MHz using nvidia inspector (really strange, it applies for the mem clock the P2 state parameters and for the core clock P3 state... I think there is a major srew up here they are running so cool, I will have problem in winter Ya it's interesting you say that. TDP is never more than 55-60% when mining x11 on the 750ti's. So there's plenty to come I'm sure. I think with the 970/980s it was an expectation thing, people get excited and sometimes a little unrealistic, including myself. I was dreaming of 6 x 980 rigs making mining profitable again... People are getting unrealistic even with 750 ti. Buying 750 ti now for mining is crazy. I already start selling off all my card since 2 weeks ago, i am still selling. I have not even sold half of my total number of cards. I think it will take at least 1 - 2 months to completely sell all my cards. Buying coins is much more cost effective now than buying card for mining. I guess some people just like the idea of generating money out of GPU because it's funny, a bit like gaming for me, and there is one big difference between mining and buying directly, with mining you can always resell your equipment, with buying if the coin die(or price decrease too much) you are screwed, and gpu can't "die" like a coin its the same. U can't spend 100% of the money to buy 1 coin. U have to split the money up to several coins unless someone buy the card to mine only 1 coin. Nobody only mine 1 coin with their GPU. Its the same as people shouldnt use the same amount of money to buy 1 coin. Use the money as if u are mining just that u can the coin instantly instead of waiting for days to generate those coins using GPU. Is like if u plan to spend 1 week to mine the coin , u can calculate the amount of coin u will get and buy it. I am sure it will not be 100% of the money. Buying coin got a lot of advantage over GPU mining now compare to 6 months ago. Especially so when the BTC price is low. People like the idea of mining more than the idea of making more money. If u include the time and effort needed to set up GPU and manage them and so on , it's really not cost effective nowadays. I make more money buying and selling XCN than mining it. The profit come way quicker and more.
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September 27, 2014, 08:18:49 AM |
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there is that big difference
if the coin die you can still resell your gpu, but if you bought it you are fucked, you lost money
this alone make minining worth it, over trading
and there is also little to lose when mining, when trading on the other hand....
but if you are talking about these time, then yes buying gpu now for mining, is not a good idea, but on january mining was far above trading, was not even funny
i remember there were plenty of easy instamine coins
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September 27, 2014, 08:23:10 AM |
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there is that big difference
if the coin die you can still resell your gpu, but if you bought it you are fucked, you lost money
this alone make minining worth it, over trading
and there is also little to lose when mining, when trading on the other hand....
but if you are talking about these time, then yes buying gpu now for mining, is not a good idea, but on january mining was far above trading, was not even funny
i remember there were plenty of easy instamine coins
I agree. Also if you can mine enough every month to pay for you electricity to break even you are still ahead. You never know what and when 1 coin might take off.
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September 27, 2014, 08:41:31 AM |
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its the same. U can't spend 100% of the money to buy 1 coin. U have to split the money up to several coins unless someone buy the card to mine only 1 coin. Nobody only mine 1 coin with their GPU. Its the same as people shouldnt use the same amount of money to buy 1 coin. Use the money as if u are mining just that u can the coin instantly instead of waiting for days to generate those coins using GPU. Is like if u plan to spend 1 week to mine the coin , u can calculate the amount of coin u will get and buy it. I am sure it will not be 100% of the money.
Buying coin got a lot of advantage over GPU mining now compare to 6 months ago. Especially so when the BTC price is low.
People like the idea of mining more than the idea of making more money.
If u include the time and effort needed to set up GPU and manage them and so on , it's really not cost effective nowadays.
I make more money buying and selling XCN than mining it. The profit come way quicker and more.
There are those few that actually believe in a coin and want to help secure a network, if it's profitable all the better, but they are going to mine regardless.
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September 27, 2014, 09:39:59 AM |
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its the same. U can't spend 100% of the money to buy 1 coin. U have to split the money up to several coins unless someone buy the card to mine only 1 coin. Nobody only mine 1 coin with their GPU. Its the same as people shouldnt use the same amount of money to buy 1 coin. Use the money as if u are mining just that u can the coin instantly instead of waiting for days to generate those coins using GPU. Is like if u plan to spend 1 week to mine the coin , u can calculate the amount of coin u will get and buy it. I am sure it will not be 100% of the money.
Buying coin got a lot of advantage over GPU mining now compare to 6 months ago. Especially so when the BTC price is low.
People like the idea of mining more than the idea of making more money.
If u include the time and effort needed to set up GPU and manage them and so on , it's really not cost effective nowadays.
I make more money buying and selling XCN than mining it. The profit come way quicker and more.
There are those few that actually believe in a coin and want to help secure a network, if it's profitable all the better, but they are going to mine regardless. This, also you still can break even with power cost when mining... The real reason I do it, which is more so than above is, its a hobby. I enjoy doing it. I also think cryptos are the next best thing sense sliced bread so I want to be part of it in case it does take off ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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September 27, 2014, 11:25:10 AM |
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I mine because I like the idea of cryptocurrency, and also to pay a part of my Humble Bundles. Using the currency, instead of hoarding it, would indicate that it is worth your time as a store or other sales something to invest into bitcoin, to accept it. At least, I would imagine it does. And considering that I have practically free electricity, I do not have costs to break even. However, I am just a part-time miner, and I mine off my gaming rig. I have not invested in rigs or equipment specific for mining.
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September 27, 2014, 12:58:58 PM |
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There are those few that actually believe in a coin and want to help secure a network, if it's profitable all the better, but they are going to mine regardless.
This, also you still can break even with power cost when mining... The real reason I do it, which is more so than above is, its a hobby. I enjoy doing it. I also think cryptos are the next best thing sense sliced bread so I want to be part of it in case it does take off ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) What these guys said ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Yellowduck - where are you? I'm in UK. What make/model your 750Tis? and how much? I might be interested in some, PM me. CJ We have a California or two in England ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
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September 27, 2014, 01:10:34 PM |
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There are those few that actually believe in a coin and want to help secure a network, if it's profitable all the better, but they are going to mine regardless.
This, also you still can break even with power cost when mining... The real reason I do it, which is more so than above is, its a hobby. I enjoy doing it. I also think cryptos are the next best thing sense sliced bread so I want to be part of it in case it does take off ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) What these guys said ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Yellowduck - where are you? I'm in UK. What make/model your 750Tis? and how much? I might be interested in some, PM me. CJ We have a California or two in England ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) i live in Asia.
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September 27, 2014, 02:21:15 PM |
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Thanks Yellowduck - Asia is a bit too far away to worry about sending graphics cards to England.
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September 27, 2014, 06:56:10 PM |
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I searched, but couldn't find mention on this forum about this, but GPUDirect might help: https://developer.nvidia.com/gpudirectThis might help HD mining..maybe.
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September 27, 2014, 08:40:21 PM |
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Guys, is there any chance of improve the 970GTX performance? Or is it already fully optimized? subir fotoTks
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September 27, 2014, 08:44:04 PM |
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Guys, is there any chance of improve the 970GTX performance? Or is it already fully optimized? subir fotoTks Of course there is - it can be improved for all cards, and by quite a bit, I think. Nice, is there somebody working on it? We can donate some BTC to help, as always. Cheers
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September 27, 2014, 08:53:43 PM |
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Nice, Wolf. Just keep us posted. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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September 28, 2014, 05:01:49 AM |
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something odd, when mining the mem clock auto adjust to 6000MHz (3000MHz instead of 3500MHz) and refuse to take the overclock (at least with msi AB...) That might explain the rather poor performance on xcn...
I had that issue with the newest Afterburner. I switched back to EVGA Precision and it overclocks memory just fine.
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September 28, 2014, 08:40:14 AM |
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Does anyone know how to add voltage for 750ti?
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September 28, 2014, 11:18:34 AM Last edit: September 28, 2014, 11:29:18 AM by djm34 |
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something odd, when mining the mem clock auto adjust to 6000MHz (3000MHz instead of 3500MHz) and refuse to take the overclock (at least with msi AB...) That might explain the rather poor performance on xcn...
I had that issue with the newest Afterburner. I switched back to EVGA Precision and it overclocks memory just fine. I tried, to use precision x16... but you need to be a rocket scientist to use it and I am not. ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) seriously what's wrong with the designer of that program ? according nvidia inspector, when used with the 980, ccminer runs at performance level p2 rather than p0, and the overclocking (at least in msi ab) acts on p0. the problem with the p2 state is that it isn't possible to go higher than 3505mhz... I will try again with precision X.... (that program used to be simple to use with easy to access and monitor parameters... )
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September 28, 2014, 11:20:10 AM |
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I use precision ATM. Its not too bad
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September 28, 2014, 11:30:32 AM Last edit: September 28, 2014, 11:59:38 AM by djm34 |
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I use precision ATM. Its not too bad
what would be "bad" for you ? The program would run in the background with no way for the user to interact with it ? (which is, in my opinion, the next step... while displaying an even larger picture on your screen... edit: ok I tried but it doesn't work. precision X, says it changes the clock, but looking at the graph shows no difference... (and the hashrate remains the same)
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