Official CedarTec Topic - New ASIC [Scam?]

[ionstorm]

Thanks for the update, they are definately good at responding to our emails, but we do need some definitive pictures and details of what they are doing, and when they'll receive their boards.  I would like to see pictures of the actual case structure because im sure their mockup is a little different than it actually is.  I'd like them to give us a set date on when they'll be providing more details instead of repeating that they are doing optimizations etc etc.  Hell if its a software optimization, i'll gladely take a 65ghs miner if it runs that stable for $999, and allow us to update the software for further optimizations.  But if its hardware related, I wouldnt even mind them sending me the assembled pcb and case and i'll piece it together myself and add my own water cooling system.  Im a computer tech by trade and have access to hundreds of heatsinks + water cooling systems that I could easily modify.  But anyways.. I'd like to see some regular daily updates on their progress, I think we deserve that. 

More info for you to nit-pick at

Dear customer,

> as for http://www.cedartec.net/images/gallery/proof.jpg [1]
>
> are the asic chips present or not and for what reason?
>
> here is the area of interest:
> http://imgur.com/QBkqtCs
There where chips assembled, but not all.
I think this photo was taken at the beginning,
but we have not published it directly.
At this time we have tested the pcb on failures,
there was an stability problem, so we assembled
chips from 1 to 10 to see if the asic runs well.

> From the address you gave me we assume SinoFast will be assembling the
> pcb's.
> Can you confirm that and tell what company is manufacturing the
> wafers?

We will not reject or confirm the companies name before the production
starts.

> Please consider bitcointalk user lophie's offer to go visit and do a
> video documentary.
>
> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170739.msg2033375#msg2033375

He is not the only one who asked, if we allow him to enter our
office, everyone else would want to. We will accept visitors
when we have finished and shipped all pre-orders.


> when will we see any public stats to verify that indeed the device is
> hashing at >67Gh/s and not just showing random numbers on the webgui.

As we said they will follow soon, when the product is optimized.

We apologize for the late answer, we have many requests in the last
days and also senseless spam mails with insults.
We hope you understand why we could not answer within 2 hours.

With best regards,

Your CedarTec Team.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Dear customer,

> as for http://www.cedartec.net/images/gallery/proof.jpg [1]
>
> are the asic chips present or not and for what reason?
>
> here is the area of interest:
> http://imgur.com/QBkqtCs
There where chips assembled, but not all.
I think this photo was taken at the beginning,
but we have not published it directly.
At this time we have tested the pcb on failures,
there was an stability problem, so we assembled
chips from 1 to 10 to see if the asic runs well.

> From the address you gave me we assume SinoFast will be assembling the
> pcb's.
> Can you confirm that and tell what company is manufacturing the
> wafers?

We will not reject or confirm the companies name before the production
starts.

> Please consider bitcointalk user lophie's offer to go visit and do a
> video documentary.
>
> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170739.msg2033375#msg2033375

He is not the only one who asked, if we allow him to enter our
office, everyone else would want to. We will accept visitors
when we have finished and shipped all pre-orders.


> when will we see any public stats to verify that indeed the device is
> hashing at >67Gh/s and not just showing random numbers on the webgui.

As we said they will follow soon, when the product is optimized.

We apologize for the late answer, we have many requests in the last
days and also senseless spam mails with insults.
We hope you understand why we could not answer within 2 hours.

With best regards,

Your CedarTec Team.

BULLSHIT!!!

[Anonymousg64]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139380.0

In all cases, do no harass or stalk people. Keep your behavior civil and professional.  Harassment will be ruthlessly deleted or edited until it is a mockery of the poster (in all cases edited posts will be marked accordingly). If you are in doubt about a behavior it is probably harassment. Don't do it.  If you feel you need to investigate a party that has scammed you, take it to the scam accusation sub-forum.  Be the better man: Just because someone is a jerk that doesn't justify you becoming one.

Feel free to provide criticism but don't belabor it. Making the same point over and over again is spam. Making multiple threads about the same subject is spam. Spam will be ruthlessly deleted or edited until it is a mockery of the poster.  If you think important criticism is at risk of getting missed cooperate with other posters and write up a even handed summary of the issues.  Pointers to well written third party summaries may be stickied, if their material is reasonable and of general interest to custom hardware participants.

[CanaryInTheMine]

What the f#%&? You all got warned and yet you still went ahead and ordered from them. What the hell is wrong with people?

Stop feeding the scammers!!

insanity...

[Phinnaeus Gage]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=139380.0

In all cases, do no harass or stalk people. Keep your behavior civil and professional.  Harassment will be ruthlessly deleted or edited until it is a mockery of the poster (in all cases edited posts will be marked accordingly). If you are in doubt about a behavior it is probably harassment. Don't do it.  If you feel you need to investigate a party that has scammed you, take it to the scam accusation sub-forum.  Be the better man: Just because someone is a jerk that doesn't justify you becoming one.

Feel free to provide criticism but don't belabor it. Making the same point over and over again is spam. Making multiple threads about the same subject is spam. Spam will be ruthlessly deleted or edited until it is a mockery of the poster.  If you think important criticism is at risk of getting missed cooperate with other posters and write up a even handed summary of the issues.  Pointers to well written third party summaries may be stickied, if their material is reasonable and of general interest to custom hardware participants.

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[Bitcoinorama]

Thanks for the update, they are definately good at responding to our emails, but we do need some definitive pictures and details of what they are doing, and when they'll receive their boards.  I would like to see pictures of the actual case structure because im sure their mockup is a little different than it actually is.  I'd like them to give us a set date on when they'll be providing more details instead of repeating that they are doing optimizations etc etc.  Hell if its a software optimization, i'll gladely take a 65ghs miner if it runs that stable for $999, and allow us to update the software for further optimizations.  But if its hardware related, I wouldnt even mind them sending me the assembled pcb and case and i'll piece it together myself and add my own water cooling system.  Im a computer tech by trade and have access to hundreds of heatsinks + water cooling systems that I could easily modify.  But anyways.. I'd like to see some regular daily updates on their progress, I think we deserve that.  

More info for you to nit-pick at

Dear customer,

> as for http://www.cedartec.net/images/gallery/proof.jpg [1]
>
> are the asic chips present or not and for what reason?
>
> here is the area of interest:
> http://imgur.com/QBkqtCs
There where chips assembled, but not all.
I think this photo was taken at the beginning,
but we have not published it directly.
At this time we have tested the pcb on failures,
there was an stability problem, so we assembled
chips from 1 to 10 to see if the asic runs well.


crap

> From the address you gave me we assume SinoFast will be assembling the
> pcb's.
> Can you confirm that and tell what company is manufacturing the
> wafers?

We will not reject or confirm the companies name before the production
starts.

Timewasting crap that any reasonable company would



> Please consider bitcointalk user lophie's offer to go visit and do a
> video documentary.
>
> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170739.msg2033375#msg2033375

He is not the only one who asked, if we allow him to enter our
office, everyone else would want to. We will accept visitors
when we have finished and shipped all pre-orders.


Bullshit, you let him do it and now if you want ANY pre-orders NOT after, oddly there won't be a mass insodus upon Lebanon from a handful of members on Bitountalk

> when will we see any public stats to verify that indeed the device is
> hashing at >67Gh/s and not just showing random numbers on the webgui.

As we said they will follow soon, when the product is optimized.

Timewasting crap, to optimise the amount of morons handing over cash

We apologize for the late answer, we have many requests in the last
days and also senseless spam mails with insults.
We hope you understand why we could not answer within 2 hours.

Bulkshit you've had hardly any emails as barely anyone believes your nonsense, out of interest has anyone, anyone sent these guys an insulting email here? My guess is no...but please prove me wrong.

With best regards,

Your CedarTec Team.

I'm convinced that Anonymousg64 is no longer just 'a gullible customer' and almost certainly a shill especially after quoting the forum rule on harassment, there's been none, any negative talk has been constructive and entirely deserved. Without question this is a scam and the more we debate the more we fuel this con and the more time is given for monies to be collected. Anyone 'sitting on the fence' now is as much of an idiot as those purchasing.

[HerrDoktor]

I think it was quite obvious from the beginning who plays which role in thins thread and yeah nobody did see the delays coming. From a sure 15th of May delivery to the 25th but with sure delays. Lol.

[Anonymousg64]

I think it was quite obvious from the beginning who plays which role in thins thread and yeah nobody did see the delays coming. From a sure 15th of May delivery to the 25th but with sure delays. Lol.

I dont know where you saw them speak about official delays yet. There probably will be tho.

I was quoting the forum rules because of all the , 'oh so gullible customers' or 'SCAM is SCAM obvious SCAM posts'. Instead you should be pointing out the obvious inconsistency's and problems with what they say.

Although i wouldn't be able to send them a reply with what you're pointing out, your really just saying, the cakes a lie no matter what until i taste the icing. There is no in-between, plausibility's, possibility's and reasons.

Im no shill, im just reporting everything i get a reply on. Next up on my awaiting reply list is history, motivations, drive, philosophy and personality's behind cedartec if they feel like giving that a shot.

[Bitcoinorama]

I think it was quite obvious from the beginning who plays which role in thins thread and yeah nobody did see the delays coming. From a sure 15th of May delivery to the 25th but with sure delays. Lol.

I dont know where you saw them speak about official delays yet. There probably will be tho.

I was quoting the forum rules because of all the , 'oh so gullible customers' or 'SCAM is SCAM obvious SCAM posts'. Instead you should be pointing out the obvious inconsistency's and problems with what they say.

Although i wouldn't be able to send them a reply with what you're pointing out, your really just saying, the cakes a lie no matter what until i taste the icing.

Yes buddy, because for the very reason rather than go out their way to prove beyond any reasonable doubt they are a genuine and professional outfit, they have clearly gone out their way to provide inconsistent poorly produced 'evidence' with poor and clearly recognisable photoshop, conveniently placed iPhones obscuring views and crucial aspects of the image cut off and the fact, parts of whatever the original board were have been ripped out. In addition he has a German English speaking accent and an Arabic friend attempting paraphrasing the most generic Arabic sentence a real Arabic speaker doesn't recognise. Not to mention 'staff' that he can afford to send on a jolly to China to oversee his outsourced pcb manufacture which has yet to be made two weeks, scrap that almost one week prior to arriving fully assembled in his 'dear customers' hands. The only thing possibly legitimate about this entire thing has been a hairy arm in shot, that and the fact he's potentially stolen enough funds to actually start legitimate r&d.

You've based your entire investment on a hairy arm and poorly rendered case design which he hasn't manufactured a week before shipment to you either.

What ****ing kind of warning signs are required to make you doubt this?

There is no way you can be in this much denial and proceed to pay up front on the 'chance' this may work out in the last few days, and then attempt justify it publicly!!

Stop trying to CONvince the daft to part with their funds.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Anybody who sends money to this company that hasn't provided a single name of who's behind it or an actual physical address is a fuckin' idiot.

I repeat, anybody who sends money to this company that hasn't provided a single name of who's behind it or an actual physical address is a fuckin' idiot.

And for those who road, or are still riding the short bus to school, anybody who sends money to this company that hasn't provided a single name of who's behind it or an actual physical address is a fuckin' idiot.

And for those whose English is not their native tongue:

Wer Geld sendet an diese Firma, die nicht einen einzigen Namen, wer dahinter steckt oder einer tatsächlichen physikalischen Adresse vorgesehen ist ein verdammter Idiot.

Toute personne qui envoie de l'argent à cette société qui n'a pas fourni un seul nom de qui est derrière elle ou une adresse physique réelle est un putain d'idiot.

Mtu yeyote ambaye anatuma pesa kwa kampuni hii kwamba haijatoa jina moja la nani nyuma yake au anwani halisi ya kimwili ni idiot fucking.

Və ya faktiki fiziki ünvan arxasında olan bir ad verməyib ki, bu şirkət üçün pul göndərir Kimsə Yoxmu bir lanet idiot edir.

Anybodyway owhay endssay oneymay otay isthay ompanycay atthay
asn'thay ovidedpray away inglesay amenay ofway o'swhay ehindbay
itway orway anway actualway ysicalphay addressway isway away
uckingfay idiotway.

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[Anonymousg64]

I think it was quite obvious from the beginning who plays which role in thins thread and yeah nobody did see the delays coming. From a sure 15th of May delivery to the 25th but with sure delays. Lol.

I dont know where you saw them speak about official delays yet. There probably will be tho.

I was quoting the forum rules because of all the , 'oh so gullible customers' or 'SCAM is SCAM obvious SCAM posts'. Instead you should be pointing out the obvious inconsistency's and problems with what they say.

Although i wouldn't be able to send them a reply with what you're pointing out, your really just saying, the cakes a lie no matter what until i taste the icing.

Yes buddy, because for the very reason rather than go out their way to prove beyond any reasonable doubt they are a genuine and professional outfit, they have clearly gone out their way to provide inconsistent poorly produced 'evidence' with poor and clearly recognisable photoshop, conveniently placed iPhones obscuring views and crucial aspects of the image cut off and the fact, parts of whatever the original board were have been ripped out. In addition he has a German English speaking accent and an Arabic friend attempting paraphrasing the most generic Arabic sentence a real Arabic speaker doesn't recognise. Not to mention 'staff' that he can afford to send on a jolly to China to oversee his outsourced pcb manufacture which has yet to be made two weeks, scrap that almost one week prior to arriving fully assembled in his 'dear customers' hands. The only thing possibly legitimate about this entire thing has been a hairy arm in shot, that and the fact he's potentially stolen enough funds to actually start legitimate r&d.

You've based your entire investment on a hairy arm and poorly rendered case design which he hasn't manufactured a week before shipment to you either.

What ****ing kind of warning signs are required to make you doubt this?

There is no way you can be in this much denial!!

i wont debate your interpretation other then to say it is only an interpretation and i believe all those things have been addressed or is going to be addressed.

would lophie like to confirm the arabic ambiguity and the likelihood of having been staged by a non arabic?


Phinnaeus Gage that is considered spam.

[Bitcoinorama]

i wont debate your interpretation other then to sat it is only an interpretation and i believe all those things have been addressed or is going to be addressed.

would lophie like to confirm the arabic ambiguity and the likelihood of having been staged by a non arabic?


Phinnaeus Gage that is considered spam.

NO!

You won't debate my words because they are based on fact, unlike your delusional or potentially fraudulent ramblings which are based on hope or lies.

An interpretation is not merely an interpretation when it is plainly evident this is fraud and there are more facts against than for. Facts that rule out any possibility this is legitimate even if they tried to throw more BS your way and try to counter their inherent mistakes.

These 'things' aka 'glaring inconsistent gaps' are purposefully created with the full intention to lead the greedy and idiotic to justify and fill them in as hurriedly as possible and throw their cash away.

I'd rather someone with reverse engineering coding skills searched for a 'paper trail' that led us to convict these pricks.

[Anonymousg64]

It be best you email them and get an official answer.

I cant debate what i dont know for sure, all i can do is point out the no-facts, non-points and subjective interpretations.


for the very reason rather than go out their way to prove beyond any reasonable doubt they are a genuine and professional outfit, they have clearly gone out their way to provide inconsistent poorly produced 'evidence'

subjective interpretation for the reason but factual in that they have not gone out of their way to prove


poor and clearly recognisable photoshop

fact, non-point


conveniently placed iPhones obscuring views and crucial aspects of the image cut off

fact, non-point


the fact, parts of whatever the original board were have been ripped out

non-fact, i fail to see how its a preexisting board modded for the purpose of scamming or where there is evidence of something being ripped out.


In addition he has a German English speaking accent

fact, non-point


and an Arabic friend attempting paraphrasing the most generic Arabic sentence a real Arabic speaker doesn't recognise.


is this the case, does it matter? non-point


Not to mention 'staff' that he can afford to send on a jolly to China to oversee his outsourced pcb manufacture

il wait for the details, what would be wrong with having someone there to oversee the manufacture and testing?


which has yet to be made two weeks, scrap that almost one week prior to arriving fully assembled in his 'dear customers' hands.

the challenge... 100/week


The only thing possibly legitimate about this entire thing has been a hairy arm in shot, that and the fact he's potentially stolen enough funds to actually start legitimate r&d.

fact and good point, they could even make more money by double scamming
we pay for the equipment and they mine on it

[h4r13q1n]

Seriously guys? Seriously? CedarTec? I thought we've settled this debate long ago.

Imho its immoral to get scammed against all warnings so easily. I've no problem with people throwing away their money, but as the saying goes "an open door may tempt a saint" - and with your unbelievable stupidity in handling your own funds you tempt otherwise good people to get into the scam-game. Because obviously it is very easy to get some retards to sending irreversible transactions of remarkable value to complete anonymous strangers - all out of greed - even if its obvious that the excuses for delays and lack of evidence are just made up for buying time.

EpicFail Labs did us all a big disservice in looking like a scam all the time and then sending out a few units, since now those mentally less well-off will point at EpicFail Labs and say: "see, they delivered, so its probable that GXmining, CedarTec, PrimeAsic, etc will deliver soon, I'll be on the boat and you idiots will GET NOTHIN!" - thus attracting even more scammers.

I fully understand Phinnaeus Gage's rants and his frustration. I would have given up long ago.

[Bitcoinorama]

It be best you email them and get an official answer.

Thanks, but err no, I don't need to read more bullshit


the fact, parts of whatever the original board were have been ripped out

non-fact, i fail to see how its a preexisting board modded for the purpose of scamming or where there is evidence of something being ripped out.

Please look at the board again, specifically where they've glued both a coaxial antanne and rj45 port

and an Arabic friend attempting paraphrasing the most generic Arabic sentence a real Arabic speaker doesn't recognise.


is this the case, does it matter? non-point


Umm...this is...but...he...he's ****ing Arabic!! (Supposedly)


Not to mention 'staff' that he can afford to send on a jolly to China to oversee his outsourced pcb manufacture

il wait for the details, what would be wrong with having someone there to oversee the manufacture and testing?

Where's he got the money from?!...oh wait...the morons...still you reckon you can arrange Chinese visas from Lebanon at the drop of a hat?!

[Anonymousg64]

if they truly have been working on it since 2010 i doubt they did so without any funding. it could even be a personal project or between friends.

[HerrDoktor]

It be best you email them and get an official answer.

Thanks, but err no, I don't need to read more bullshit


the fact, parts of whatever the original board were have been ripped out

non-fact, i fail to see how its a preexisting board modded for the purpose of scamming or where there is evidence of something being ripped out.

Please look at the board again, specifically where they've glued both a coaxial antanne and rj45 port

and an Arabic friend attempting paraphrasing the most generic Arabic sentence a real Arabic speaker doesn't recognise.


is this the case, does it matter? non-point


Umm...this is...but...he...he's ****ing Arabic!! (Supposedly)


Not to mention 'staff' that he can afford to send on a jolly to China to oversee his outsourced pcb manufacture

il wait for the details, what would be wrong with having someone there to oversee the manufacture and testing?

Where's he got the money from?!...oh wait...the morons...still you reckon you can arrange Chinese visas from Lebanon at the drop of a hat?!

Man i really appreciate how much energy you invest into fighting off this BS. After all this is what makes Bitcoin look bad for people who want to join in and we all have to pay the price if we let BS artists like this, do what they wanna do. To everyone else if you are unsure about who is playing which role here, maybe checking out the post history of some people in here, will make it even more clear.....

AGAIN THIS IS OBVIOUS SCAM

[Anonymousg64]

you guys must be paid bfl shills

you retarded idiots how can you not buy into this?

obvious is obvious this is an opportunity of a lifetime

BITE MY SHINY METAL ASS

/sarcasm

[dtmcnamara]

BITE MY SHINY METAL ASS
/sarcasm

lol...never too early in the morning for a bender joke...the sad thing is when I read it I even did it in a bend like voice...

[Bitcoinorama]

if they truly have been working on it since 2010 i doubt they did so without any funding. it could even be a personal project or between friends.

You're right, your first valid point, they have to have had funding for four years for multiple employees, some that are currently living in China, yet have mentioned no prior investment and such generous parties are not interested in using this revolutionary tech for themselves.  These eccentric investors, and friends, just buck the trend, encourage operating on a loss, and living on air the entire time, up until which point they want so desperately to recoup funding in merely a few weeks....ohh wait didn't they say they wanted to do a limited run of 1,000 to see what the uptake was? So, they've slaved away for four years, hidden whilst Lebanon clashes with Israel, an Arab spring and the Syria conflict spills over with their groundbreaking foresight to predict the ASIC revolution on an off chance peeps may share an interest in years to come prior to any realistic uptake or confidence in this emerging cryptocurrency!!?

You are a prize ****ing idiot. Complain to a mod if you like, I want to see one defend you and this utter bollocks!