I got some questions for the emotionless strategy, since i cannot find much information in the wiki, youtube, telegram, discord, etc.
i just cannot find other users using emotionless strategy.
Hello Sabine -
I'll do my best to help answer your questions. There isn't much information published about the "emotionless" strategy - as you've probably read in the
official wiki:
Behind the scenes, an advanced algorithm based on the Ichimoku cloud indicator does the hard work. The specifics will not be disclosed.
So, one reason there isn't much information is that specifics aren't disclosed.
Gunbot itself has evolved since the end of 2016, starting officially with BB strategy, GAIN, then Stepgain (and several other iterations and starts and stops before that with russian roulette, supergun, etc), and Ping Pong, then more advanced TSSL, Ichimoku, then later, adding indicators such as RSI and more. The ability to combine different buy strategies with sell strategies really opened up things for Gunbot, and gave many people much more power and control over how Gunbot traded. But it also made things more complicated for new people coming into the automated crypto trading world.
"emotionless" as a strategy, and the "Gunbot LITE" version, which only runs emotionless, first came about in Gunbot Version 7 as part of the "Gunbot XMAS" launch. ELF version, a precursor to Gunbot LITE, only offered one strategy: emotionless, and was made to help combat the complication brought about by the added features. If someone wanted to get into trading, but didn't have time to learn all the things, or was ok with just getting the small benefits of basic trading, then "emotionless" was a good way to start off.
The "emotionless" strategy specifically targeted those people who wanted to ride crypto trading waves without investing a lot of time learning how to configure trading settings. As you might imagine, however, someone who spends a lot of time learning a skill and investing in a full-featured specialty toolset will likely have a much better result in their chosen field of study than someone who spends 5 minutes and buys a single generic all purpose tool.
It's like buying a hammer and expecting it to do the job of a hammer, screwdriver, wrench, socket set, chainsaw, allen wrench and blow torch. If you buy a hammer and only know how to use a hammer, then you'll get the results of a hammer. You can't expect to wield a hammer like a blow torch and get very good results.
However -- a hammer is cheaper than all those other tools, and it can do *some* things, and it's a great place to start. Once you've gotten a certain level of experience, you can upgrade your toolset and move up to bigger projects.
Regarding you not finding other users using emotionless strategy - there has been so much more time of Gunbot being around before emotionless was even an option, and then even when it was an option, Gunbot LITE and Gunbot ELF just isn't very widely advertised. Even the "emotionless" strategy itself isn't heavily advertised, and many people find that other strategies perform better, so it does make sense to me that not a lot of of people use emotionless.
TRADING_LIMIT 1% of your budget (I increased this one to 2%)
GAIN 0,6 (I increased this one to 0,7%)
Pairs recommended 15 (I added 5 more because of my bags, i am botting 20 pairs. But because of my bags i am botting about 14 pairs)
I can touch on these parameters some.
TRADING_LIMIT: this doesn't have a hard and fast rule, but rather some guidelines. I recommend new traders start slow, like you did and use very low amounts. This will be affected by how many pairs are run, and if Double Up is used (see below on this).
GAIN: This is also known as "minimum acceptable profit". Since the details of emotionless are hidden from us, all we know about this setting is "optionally we can increase this some". It is expected that the higher we set this, the more aggressive we make Gunbot, making it wait longer to sell, and risking more. The lower you make it, the more likely it is to avoid bags, since it will dump the bag more quickly instead of waiting to gain more profit.
A quick note on number of pairs -- the more pairs you run, the longer it is between each run for a pair. If you have 60 pairs, then it will be twice as long before each run of BTC-LTC than if you have 30 pairs. This means price movement and price action may or may not run in your favor during those "winks of checking the price" every 3.5 minutes, or every 7 minutes, or depending on your computer speed, complication of strategy, and BOT_DELAY (or possible errors), maybe even longer.
Also, The more pairs you run, the more you would want Gunbot to search for "dips" and "coins on sale" but emotionless doesn't have the features to do so it doesn't have TRAIL_ME, or "RSI indicators" or Bollinger Band or any of the other things that would help it find a better deal. Be mindful of this -- if you're approaching a large number of pairs and running a large budget - chances are you have enough money to just upgrade to Gunbot Standard anyway and eek out a larger percentage of profit by running a more profitable strategy that finds better dips and can ride the price or the trend upward.
The first week I made on average per day about 0,074% profit with about 13 full trades per day (buying and selling).
So i changed them slightly.
With my changes i make about 0,33% profit per day with about 25 full trades per day (buying and selling).
One problem that comes from making changes like this, from one week to the next is -- there is no control. The week with the low profit could have been a horrible week and the week with the 4x profit could have been a bull run comparatively. The proper way to actually compare those settings would be to have two accounts, with identical pairs and identical settings and only change those specific settings, and then let them loose. Imagine the settings from last week compared to this week? What if you had changed your settings yesterday to GAIN=0.6% and moved your budget down - with the bull run we just had, one might assume it was a lower GAIN that caused the profit.
Also, it is important to clarify how you are measuring profit. Are you looking at portfolio value at the exchange? USD? BTC? Or are you looking at net BTC profit per trade? Are you looking at what Gunbot reported in the logs (anticipated profit based on what Gunbot assumed profit was from limit order placed), or in the Telegram message? Or are you looking at the actual exchange placed orders, and throwing FIAT out the door?
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Most of the tips and wiki posts are not really useful when using emotionless. You just cannot modify your settings enough to get rid of your bags (double up, RT etc.).
When emotionless first hit the streets in Gunbot v7, Double Up was included as an option. It was also available in v8, and then removed in v9. It is expected to return as an option in V10 - note that this is only an anticipated option based on beta testing so far, and until V10 is released, we will not know for sure. I do not speak for Gunthar or Gunbot in any way.
Another big question is about the volatile coins. It is said to use volatile coins since gunbot "eats volatility and spits out profit", but is this really recommended for emotionless? Adding volatile coins means managing your bot on a regular basis, this is contradictory to all the headlines about emotionless. It is said that with emotionless strategy you earn your daily profits without managing your bot and also you shouldnt modify and interfere with its work.
As mentioned above, emotionless is about riding crypto waves without spending time configuring things, so you are correct that if you're worried about tracking volatile coins, then you're spending time configuring things. You do not need to track regular volatility to take advantage of emotionless trading. You would do well, however, to try and start off with generally volatile coins - ones that have the following traits:
- staying power
- medium to high volume
- sawtooth pattern (volatility) and not hockey stick
- in the news a lot with some controversy, but overall positive trend
- listed on several exchanges
Probably more important, however, is YOUR staying power. Gunbot should not be measured in profit per day or profit per month. Crypto cycles do not work like that. Gunbot cannot control the market, and Gunbot cannot control a coin's value. Gunbot allows you to take advantage of a coin's gains when they happen. If a coin does not gain in value, there are ways to deal with that.
https://gbu.run/bags describes some, and it appears you're already familiar with a few if not all of those ways.
Emotionless has the least amount of flexibility and requires the least amount of upkeep. Therefore, it has the least amount of average return.
I mentioned this in a
previous reply, but I recommend Gunbot users look at Gunbot's performance in terms of three things:
a. Maximize Number of Trades per day
b. Maximize Profit per Trade
c. Reduce Risk per Trade
It's difficult to juggle all three of those, because as you do one, it hinders the other two. For example, the more profit you go for, the more risk you incur, and the fewer trades you make. The less risk you take, the fewer trades you make.
As you know, emotionless has essentially no tweaks to make other than GAIN, so really, it's about just getting your feet wet, getting into the market, and getting ready and finding out if getting to the next level is right for you or not.
It is important to me that you dont get me wrong here. I am really happy with my investment, i learned over the last few weeks so so so much. I dont regret 1 second of my time spent i have so damn much fun . Before upgrading my bot to have access to more strategies and settings, i wanted to ask experts about my current version.
I'm very happy to hear about your investment - most people I hear about that are frustrated with Gunbot simply had their expectations set incorrectly (they were promised returns by someone - noone should ever do that - a promise of returns is a sign of a scam), or they got greedy (that's their own fault), or they were gambling instead of trading, or they decided to trade with the rent money, or they made mistakes and instead of blaming themselves, they needed someone else to blame it on - blame it on bitcoin, blame it on a politician, blame it on China, blame it on Gunbot... blame it on anyone but themselves.
May your trades ride the next bull run,
Professor Wally @ Gunbot University
gbu.run/ref/wally for more info
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