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December 29, 2017, 07:10:57 PM
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I guess the workaround wasn't perfect. lol
Could you show me a log right after you launched the miner?

It is just smallest detail, program is very useful with many features.. I have my own methods  for solving this , writing paper sticker corner of monitor for crossing devices Smiley , but even this doesnt work after 10 hours of pc looking.. Smiley

Here is opening log :

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2017-12-29 20:03:17.7197 [1] Gateless Gate Sharp 1.1.8 alpha started.
2017-12-29 20:03:20.0674 [1] Number of Devices: 7
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6673 [1] Successfully initialized AMD Display Library.
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6683 [1] Number of ADL Adapters: 112
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6713 [1] ADL Adapter #0:
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6713 [1]     AdapterName:    Radeon RX 580 Series
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6713 [1]     OSDisplayIndex: 16
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6713 [1]     BusNumber:      2
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6744 [1] ADL Adapter #16:
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6744 [1]     AdapterName:    Radeon (TM) RX 480 Graphics
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6744 [1]     OSDisplayIndex: 64
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6744 [1]     BusNumber:      10
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6764 [1] ADL Adapter #32:
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6764 [1]     AdapterName:    Radeon RX 580 Series
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6764 [1]     OSDisplayIndex: 48
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6764 [1]     BusNumber:      7
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6774 [1] ADL Adapter #48:
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6774 [1]     AdapterName:    Radeon (TM) RX 480 Graphics
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6774 [1]     OSDisplayIndex: 0
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6774 [1]     BusNumber:      1
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6784 [1] ADL Adapter #64:
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6784 [1]     AdapterName:    Radeon (TM) RX 480 Graphics
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6784 [1]     OSDisplayIndex: 32
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6784 [1]     BusNumber:      3
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6825 [1] ADL Adapter #80:
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6825 [1]     AdapterName:    Radeon (TM) RX 480 Graphics
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6825 [1]     OSDisplayIndex: 80
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6825 [1]     BusNumber:      11
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6885 [1] ADL Adapter #96:
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6885 [1]     AdapterName:    Radeon (TM) RX 480 Graphics
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6885 [1]     OSDisplayIndex: 96
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6885 [1]     BusNumber:      12
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6905 [1] Failed to initialize NVIDIA Management Library.
2017-12-29 20:03:21.2545 [1] Successfully loaded phymem.




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December 29, 2017, 08:00:00 PM
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I guess the workaround wasn't perfect. lol
Could you show me a log right after you launched the miner?

It is just smallest detail, program is very useful with many features.. I have my own methods  for solving this , writing paper sticker corner of monitor for crossing devices Smiley , but even this doesnt work after 10 hours of pc looking.. Smiley

Here is opening log :

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2017-12-29 20:03:17.7197 [1] Gateless Gate Sharp 1.1.8 alpha started.
2017-12-29 20:03:20.0674 [1] Number of Devices: 7
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6673 [1] Successfully initialized AMD Display Library.
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6683 [1] Number of ADL Adapters: 112
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6713 [1] ADL Adapter #0:
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6713 [1]     AdapterName:    Radeon RX 580 Series
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6713 [1]     OSDisplayIndex: 16
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6713 [1]     BusNumber:      2
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6744 [1] ADL Adapter #16:
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6744 [1]     AdapterName:    Radeon (TM) RX 480 Graphics
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6744 [1]     OSDisplayIndex: 64
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6744 [1]     BusNumber:      10
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6764 [1] ADL Adapter #32:
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6764 [1]     AdapterName:    Radeon RX 580 Series
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6764 [1]     OSDisplayIndex: 48
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6764 [1]     BusNumber:      7
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6774 [1] ADL Adapter #48:
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6774 [1]     AdapterName:    Radeon (TM) RX 480 Graphics
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6774 [1]     OSDisplayIndex: 0
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6774 [1]     BusNumber:      1
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6784 [1] ADL Adapter #64:
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6784 [1]     AdapterName:    Radeon (TM) RX 480 Graphics
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6784 [1]     OSDisplayIndex: 32
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6784 [1]     BusNumber:      3
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6825 [1] ADL Adapter #80:
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6825 [1]     AdapterName:    Radeon (TM) RX 480 Graphics
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6825 [1]     OSDisplayIndex: 80
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6825 [1]     BusNumber:      11
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6885 [1] ADL Adapter #96:
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6885 [1]     AdapterName:    Radeon (TM) RX 480 Graphics
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6885 [1]     OSDisplayIndex: 96
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6885 [1]     BusNumber:      12
2017-12-29 20:03:20.6905 [1] Failed to initialize NVIDIA Management Library.
2017-12-29 20:03:21.2545 [1] Successfully loaded phymem.




Thank you again ..
You enabled phimem loading? Why? It doesn't needed at this moment. Try to disable it.
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December 29, 2017, 08:49:37 PM
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You enabled phimem loading? Why? It doesn't needed at this moment. Try to disable it.

Thanks good to know..But I think (tested) , gpu order problem is not related to this..
UnclWish it is not the right place I know,  but, I did see your another post about searching sapphire Rx 480 (not +) micron, bios. Did u find something useful (other than Doktor83 bios or other than  strap trick 1650-->2000) ?

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December 29, 2017, 08:55:38 PM
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The GPU order problem may be solved by disabling AMD CrossFire in Radeon Settings.
For now, this is a relatively small problem, but I really want to fix this before I enable fan control and overclocking.
Please keep me posted.

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December 29, 2017, 09:15:37 PM
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The surest way to solve this order problem is to run a diagnostic test at launch.
I really don't want to take this route, though... It seems too hackish.

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December 29, 2017, 09:25:58 PM
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You enabled phimem loading? Why? It doesn't needed at this moment. Try to disable it.

Thanks good to know..But I think (tested) , gpu order problem is not related to this..
UnclWish it is not the right place I know,  but, I did see your another post about searching sapphire Rx 480 (not +) micron, bios. Did u find something useful (other than Doktor83 bios or other than  strap trick 1650-->2000) ?


No. I didn't find something else...
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December 29, 2017, 09:26:39 PM
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The surest way to solve this order problem is to run a diagnostic test at launch.
I really don't want to take this route, though... It seems too hackish.
How to run a diagnostic test?
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December 29, 2017, 10:20:51 PM
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The surest way to solve this order problem is to run a diagnostic test at launch.
I really don't want to take this route, though... It seems too hackish.

What if some interactive dialog at start asks us , the correct order..or some text boxes to rewrite desired order from
 user input.. or dragging and dropping text boxes of sensor groups /device names ??..because it is just a visual problem.. just simple ideas sorry.
(but if such a solution , conflicts with on the fly settings , i dont know )
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December 30, 2017, 12:06:35 AM
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Im running 12 cards and adrenaline 17.12.2 drivers and 1.1.8 doesnt detect my cards at all on startup,
1.1.7 crashes on startup, 1.1.6 starts and runs but only 8 cards available.
Please fix this so i can use your miner.  Smiley
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December 30, 2017, 05:54:14 AM
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1.1.8 doesnt detect my cards at all on startup,
1.1.7 crashes on startup, 1.1.6 starts and runs /  but only 8 cards available.
Please fix this so i can use your miner.  Smiley

A log file, please!

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December 30, 2017, 01:01:46 PM
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1.1.8 doesnt detect my cards at all on startup,
1.1.7 crashes on startup, 1.1.6 starts and runs /  but only 8 cards available.
Please fix this so i can use your miner.  Smiley

A log file, please!

Hey Zawawa heres the log :

2017-12-30 12:59:19.2235 [1] Gateless Gate Sharp 1.1.8 alpha started.
2017-12-30 12:59:19.9210 [1] Exception in InitializeDevices(): Method not found: 'Byte[] Cloo.ComputeDevice.get_BoardNameAMD()'.   at GatelessGateSharp.MainForm.InitializeDevices()
   at GatelessGateSharp.MainForm.MainForm_Load(Object sender, EventArgs e)
2017-12-30 12:59:22.9576 [1] Exception: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.   at GatelessGateSharp.MainForm.LoadDatabase()
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December 30, 2017, 08:25:42 PM
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AMD's Blockchain Driver seems incompatible with Windows 10 Version 1709.
Grrrrr......

Ready to switch to Linux yet? :-)
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December 30, 2017, 09:02:27 PM
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1.1.8 doesnt detect my cards at all on startup,
1.1.7 crashes on startup, 1.1.6 starts and runs /  but only 8 cards available.
Please fix this so i can use your miner.  Smiley

A log file, please!

Hey Zawawa heres the log :

2017-12-30 12:59:19.2235 [1] Gateless Gate Sharp 1.1.8 alpha started.
2017-12-30 12:59:19.9210 [1] Exception in InitializeDevices(): Method not found: 'Byte[] Cloo.ComputeDevice.get_BoardNameAMD()'.   at GatelessGateSharp.MainForm.InitializeDevices()
   at GatelessGateSharp.MainForm.MainForm_Load(Object sender, EventArgs e)
2017-12-30 12:59:22.9576 [1] Exception: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.   at GatelessGateSharp.MainForm.LoadDatabase()

You just need to upgrade the Cloo.dll to the latest version. It is in the distribution package.

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December 30, 2017, 09:06:47 PM
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It's seems that neoscrypt algo consumes many power... I don't remember, gg was the same power consumption as GGS in neoscrypt?
I noticed that GGS use high intensity volumes like 256 or more. In gg it was low numbers like 14-16 etc. Is it mean that GGS uses different neocrypt kernel?
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December 30, 2017, 09:26:03 PM
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AMD's Blockchain Driver seems incompatible with Windows 10 Version 1709.
Grrrrr......

Ready to switch to Linux yet? :-)

See, I have been using Linux before it reached Version 1.0, and I would never do server-side stuff on Windows.
The thing is, I am essentially an effort-minimalist, and I am actually quite happy with the Cathedral and choose it over the Bazaar anytime when it comes to desktop PC's.
I had pretty interesting conversations with top engineers at NiceHash regarding this subject.
Our consensus was that consumers just want a neat all-in-one package that just works without any tweaking.
Philosophically, this attitude is in direct contrast to Un*x's design philosophy as described by Kernighan and Ritchie, which encourages combined use of small tools.
What I am trying to achieve with GSS is to cater to the needs of the former, and that is why I started developing the GUI version first.
(I will eventually make a command-line version.)
We will see how that goes.

Gateless Gate Sharp, an open-source ETH/XMR miner: http://bit.ly/2rJ2x4V
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December 30, 2017, 09:33:13 PM
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It's seems that neoscrypt algo consumes many power... I don't remember, gg was the same power consumption as GGS in neoscrypt?
I noticed that GGS use high intensity volumes like 256 or more. In gg it was low numbers like 14-16 etc. Is it mean that GGS uses different neocrypt kernel?

The kernel is essentially the same. The intensity is calculated differently.
My NeoScrypt kernel really pushes GCN to its limits.
I would imagine I could rewrite it in the GCN assembly to make it more power efficient.
I am planning to do optimizations for all the algorithms in one big batch once the miner is relatively bug-free and has essential features.

Gateless Gate Sharp, an open-source ETH/XMR miner: http://bit.ly/2rJ2x4V
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AMD's Blockchain Driver seems incompatible with Windows 10 Version 1709.
Grrrrr......

Ready to switch to Linux yet? :-)

See, I have been using Linux before it reached Version 1.0, and I would never do server-side stuff on Windows.
The thing is, I am essentially an effort-minimalist, and I am actually quite happy with the Cathedral and choose it over the Bazaar anytime when it comes to desktop PC's.
I had pretty interesting conversations with top engineers at NiceHash regarding this subject.
Our consensus was that consumers just want a neat all-in-one package that just works without any tweaking.
Philosophically, this attitude is in direct contrast to Un*x's design philosophy as described by Kernighan and Ritchie, which encourages combined use of small tools.
What I am trying to achieve with GSS is to cater to the needs of the former, and that is why I started developing the GUI version first.
(I will eventually make a command-line version.)
We will see how that goes.

While I agree with your arguments concerning consumer friendliness, I would advise not to underestimate the "dev-fee thing"...

Consumers usually run one or two rigs (maybe a few more, but rarely). Miners usually dedicate their time and work in making money, running several rigs etc. These guys bring in the dev-fees(!). You should consider if you are interested in consumers with relatively low hashing power running Windows or in the more professionals (Linux all over the place) that have the much bigger hashing power. More hashing power = more dev-fees.

Just looking at the repeating driver drama on Windows, the number of CPUs supported per rig etc, should make you think harder about a Linux version ;-)

- just my 2 cents (and a +1 Linux vote)

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AMD's Blockchain Driver seems incompatible with Windows 10 Version 1709.
Grrrrr......

Ready to switch to Linux yet? :-)

See, I have been using Linux before it reached Version 1.0, and I would never do server-side stuff on Windows.
The thing is, I am essentially an effort-minimalist, and I am actually quite happy with the Cathedral and choose it over the Bazaar anytime when it comes to desktop PC's.
I had pretty interesting conversations with top engineers at NiceHash regarding this subject.
Our consensus was that consumers just want a neat all-in-one package that just works without any tweaking.
Philosophically, this attitude is in direct contrast to Un*x's design philosophy as described by Kernighan and Ritchie, which encourages combined use of small tools.
What I am trying to achieve with GSS is to cater to the needs of the former, and that is why I started developing the GUI version first.
(I will eventually make a command-line version.)
We will see how that goes.

While I agree with your arguments concerning consumer friendliness, I would advise not to underestimate the "dev-fee thing"...

Consumers usually run one or two rigs (maybe a few more, but rarely). Miners usually dedicate their time and work in making money, running several rigs etc. These guys bring in the dev-fees(!). You should consider if you are interested in consumers with relatively low hashing power running Windows or in the more professionals (Linux all over the place) that have the much bigger hashing power. More hashing power = more dev-fees.

Just looking at the repeating driver drama on Windows, the number of CPUs supported per rig etc, should make you think harder about a Linux version ;-)

- just my 2 cents (and a +1 Linux vote)

Cheers
Andy
All this is no matter while project is open-source. As you say "more professionals" are know how to not pay to dev...
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December 31, 2017, 04:20:29 PM
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I hope everyone would eventually see that paying the DEVFEE is actually a good thing for themselves.
That way, I can continue development without worrying about money, and my wife would stop bugging me about how much money I am making everyday. lol
Right now, I have to spend a considerable chunk of my time on my own small mining farm just to support my family.
If I can live off the DEVFEE, I don't have to maintain the farm, I can just focus on GGS, and the miner gets faster and more stable
 with more features.
It is just as simple as that.

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December 31, 2017, 04:57:59 PM
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I hope everyone would eventually see that paying the DEVFEE is actually a good thing for themselves.
That way, I can continue development without worrying about money, and my wife would stop bugging me about how much money I am making everyday. lol
Right now, I have to spend a considerable chunk of my time on my own small mining farm just to support my family.
If I can live off the DEVFEE, I don't have to maintain the farm, I can just focus on GGS, and the miner gets faster and more stable
 with more features.
It is just as simple as that.
Yes, you're absolutely right. Disabling the dev-fee is the choice of conscience of every miner. But all must understand, that disabling devfee is slowing down development of miner.
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