Is taxation theft?

[miki77miki]

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

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[Momus]

Run George, run... You can run but you cant hide from IRS! 

[Tyrantt]

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

but look, if it's done right, tax can help improve the country and it's cities. Imagine if everyone is paying their taxes and then you can ue that money to help upgrade the local hospital of childrens playground, rework the pawement, etc... But usually that's not the case and also, high taxes make people avoid them, like the luxury tax or income tax.

[warwar]

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

but look, if it's done right, tax can help improve the country and it's cities. Imagine if everyone is paying their taxes and then you can ue that money to help upgrade the local hospital of childrens playground, rework the pawement, etc... But usually that's not the case and also, high taxes make people avoid them, like the luxury tax or income tax.

Well if we could say that all are paying taxes but the problem is the government if they are not using it for good it just they are using it for useless projects and also they are corrupt the taxes that we paid is not back to us. Tax is for improvement for the country thats the reason why we pay tax but the problem is if the government is corrupt so that is the biggest problem how do they improve the country

[Tyrantt]

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

but look, if it's done right, tax can help improve the country and it's cities. Imagine if everyone is paying their taxes and then you can ue that money to help upgrade the local hospital of childrens playground, rework the pawement, etc... But usually that's not the case and also, high taxes make people avoid them, like the luxury tax or income tax.

Well if we could say that all are paying taxes but the problem is the government if they are not using it for good it just they are using it for useless projects and also they are corrupt the taxes that we paid is not back to us. Tax is for improvement for the country thats the reason why we pay tax but the problem is if the government is corrupt so that is the biggest problem how do they improve the country

Well you've said it yourself, the government is the problem.

[iluvbitcoins]

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Did you go to school?

Do you use the roads?

Did you ever visit the hospital? (unless you're from USA)

Then don't act like you haven't consented to taxation, you're using the benefits built and made from taxes
You must pay your taxes if you're going to use these services
It would be selfish to avoid it, and it could also get you to jail  

[BADecker]

When you study the word "tax" in the legal dictionaries, if you study it deeply enough, you will find that it equates to "fraud."

[iluvbitcoins]

When you study the word "tax" in the legal dictionaries, if you study it deeply enough, you will find that it equates to "fraud."

So, we should descend into anarchy?

And live like apes with sticks,stones, stealing from each-other, not building anything, not having any regulations, any funds to build something useful?

[Holliday]

If you don't pay will force be used against you in order to make you pay?

If yes, then theft.

[iluvbitcoins]

If you don't pay will force be used against you in order to make you pay?

If yes, then theft.

I have stolen 10 000$ from my neighbour.

If I don't pay will force be used against me in order to make me pay?

If yes, then theft.


You have used services that cost money without paying for them (taxes), you have stolen money from every citizen you ever met in your country, you're a thief and force must be used against you in order for you pay if you won't do it willingly.

[CoinCube]

When you study the word "tax" in the legal dictionaries, if you study it deeply enough, you will find that it equates to "fraud."

So, we should descend into anarchy?

And live like apes with sticks,stones, stealing from each-other, not building anything, not having any regulations, any funds to build something useful?

We are often forced to choose the lesser of two evils when forced to confront evil.

Take national defense. It is not wrong to tax to fund national defense to the extent necessary to stop others from murdering you and your countrymen.

There are many other situations when taxation is justified for the overall public good also as the lessor evil.
The problem arises once a majority of your population views taxation collectivism and redistribution as a good rather than a necessary evil society has a problem.

[BADecker]

When you study the word "tax" in the legal dictionaries, if you study it deeply enough, you will find that it equates to "fraud."

So, we should descend into anarchy?

And live like apes with sticks,stones, stealing from each-other, not building anything, not having any regulations, any funds to build something useful?

Check into what anarchy really is. Anarchy in the form that most people think of it is desirable. The true anarchy is in the governments of the big countries.

[BADecker]

When you study the word "tax" in the legal dictionaries, if you study it deeply enough, you will find that it equates to "fraud."

So, we should descend into anarchy?

And live like apes with sticks,stones, stealing from each-other, not building anything, not having any regulations, any funds to build something useful?

We are often forced to choose the lesser of two evils when forced to confront evil.

Take national defense. It is not wrong to tax to fund national defense to the extent necessary to stop others from murdering you and your countrymen.

Consider the implications. Most people don't realize that they are not part of a nation without some formal volunteering into that nation. Yet governments treat them as though they are.

While it may not be wrong to fund national defense, does anybody know that that is where his tax money is going? Where is your receipt to show what you paid for. Or is it that the money simply goes to where people in government want it to go... without your true knowledge of where it went, and without a real reckoning?

There are many other situations when taxation is justified for the overall public good also as the lessor evil.
The problem arises from those who forget that in this situation taxation is the lesser evil.

Once a majority of your population views taxation collectivism and redistribution as a good rather than a necessary evil society has a problem.

Taxation might be justified, but what makes the justification? It is only justified when you volunteer, and then it is not real taxation.

The only way taxation is justified as taxation, is when you get a receipt as to where your money was spent... with open records so you and everyone else can see where all the money went.

[Holliday]

You have used services that cost money without paying for them (taxes), you have stolen money from every citizen you ever met in your country, you're a thief and force must be used against you in order for you pay if you won't do it willingly.

Ahh... yes. The famous, "what about the roads" argument. How tedious.

If you honestly believe that things such as roads wouldn't be built without taxes, then you have no imagination and are truly stuck with a slave mentality.

Have you ever heard of a toll road? They exist today, and they are paid for by the people who drive on them... I know, it may be hard for you to grasp the concept of people who actually use the product as being the ones who pay for it, as opposed to everyone.

I'd be more than happy to pay voluntary taxes when I have complete say over how my money is spent. Where I live, the government is almost 20 trillion dollars in debt, the infrastructure (including roads) is falling apart, and a huge amount of taxpayer money is used to wage war on people on the other side of the planet. So yes, fuck taxes. I am going to do everything in my power to legally avoid paying as many taxes as possible.

Without taxes (including the hidden tax known as inflation), governments would not be able to pool enough resources to wage large scale war. So yes, fuck taxes.

[Holliday]

So, we should descend into anarchy?

And live like apes with sticks,stones, stealing from each-other, not building anything, not having any regulations, any funds to build something useful?

Anarchy means "no rulers". It does not mean "no rules", chaos, or aggression.

If you feel that you need a ruler in order to build civilization, I feel sorry for you. People are quite capable of working together towards a common goal without someone ruling over them. Have some faith in your fellow man.

Without rulers telling everyone what they should and should not do (usually only to the benefit of the rulers), people would develop a strong moral compass and respecting the individual rights of others would weave the fabric of a robust society.

[devthedev]

Personally, I do feel it is theft, I never consented to any taxation. I feel that this video helps explain the video quite well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

Did you go to school?

Do you use the roads?

Did you ever visit the hospital? (unless you're from USA)

Then don't act like you haven't consented to taxation, you're using the benefits built and made from taxes
You must pay your taxes if you're going to use these services
It would be selfish to avoid it, and it could also get you to jail  

Abolish and Privatize! Everthing works better without the government involved.

[Sithara007]

I am against income tax, but I believe that the indirect taxes such as VAT and capital gains tax are not that bad. After all, the government should be able to secure funds for various infrastructure projects and defense purposes.

[Xester]

Taxation is not theft or an act of thieving. Taxation is our share that we must give back to society that transforms into  government welfare services and others. It is just like going to school, if the students will not pay the tuition there will be no teachers, no classrooms, nothing only a barren land is there if there is no tuition fee. Paying taxes is like paying a pizza from a pizzahouse in exchange for the food. Taxation is like that, in exchange for justice, health services, protection and justice from criminality, road networks we pay taxes. If there are no taxes then who will build the roads, who will pay the police and military possibly there are countless chaos from warlords if there is no government. Taxes is the food of our government and of our nation without it we have no nation.

[Drowzy]

Taxation is not theft or an act of thieving. Taxation is our share that we must give back to society that transforms into  government welfare services and others. It is just like going to school, if the students will not pay the tuition there will be no teachers, no classrooms, nothing only a barren land is there if there is no tuition fee. Paying taxes is like paying a pizza from a pizzahouse in exchange for the food. Taxation is like that, in exchange for justice, health services, protection and justice from criminality, road networks we pay taxes. If there are no taxes then who will build the roads, who will pay the police and military possibly there are countless chaos from warlords if there is no government. Taxes is the food of our government and of our nation without it we have no nation.

This.. shit costs money. Without money there is no government. With no government there is chaos and armed gangs rule the land. Forget your job, wife, kids etc. Pay taxes or ultimately live like mad max. Day to day trying to survive.. I would rather pay taxes thank you.

[Sithara007]

Taxation is not theft or an act of thieving. Taxation is our share that we must give back to society that transforms into  government welfare services and others.

Your statement might have been true a few decades back. But now, most of the tax revenue is being spent on the defense budget, and for giving salaries to the governmental staff.