Is taxation theft?

[BADecker]

These disagreements about the tax, may be related to each country.
Everyone who lives in a corrupt country, with high taxes, and poor infrastructure, feels stolen

So...if someone takes something from you without your consent, it only matters if the person is corrupt to determine if someone took something from you without your consent (ie. theft).

Right. The Declaration of Independence says a natural truth. It says that all people are created equal... in their capacity as individuals, and regarding the ability to own property. If you own some form of property, and someone takes it from you without your willingness to give, it is a form of theft = taxes.

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[gentlemand]

Nah. The people who are moaning about them are born, educated and kept safe by taxes. I'd say that was a pretty reasonable return. It would be nice to have a say in where it's diverted to or have a sliding scale of services vs payments but they're a necessary evil. The alternative is even more evil.

It reminds me of Lauryn Hill whining about her tax problems saying she was born into a society she didn't give consent for. Join the fuckin' club, darlin'.

[Matcuda]

Nah. The people who are moaning about them are born, educated and kept safe by taxes. I'd say that was a pretty reasonable return. It would be nice to have a say in where it's diverted to or have a sliding scale of services vs payments but they're a necessary evil. The alternative is even more evil.

It reminds me of Lauryn Hill whining about her tax problems saying she was born into a society she didn't give consent for. Join the fuckin' club, darlin'.

If we raise the issue that people are born in the society in which they do not want to, since to leave this closed Circle? It seems to me that there is only one way out, it is getting rid of any citizenship. If a person is not a citizen of any country, then he lagged and can not.

[gentlemand]

If we raise the issue that people are born in the society in which they do not want to, since to leave this closed Circle? It seems to me that there is only one way out, it is getting rid of any citizenship. If a person is not a citizen of any country, then he lagged and can not.

They can move to a new country. The chances are the system there won't be any different or better than where they already are unless it's a full on tax haven. I've been to quite a few. They're utterly ghastly and soulless in the main.

[BADecker]

Nah. The people who are moaning about them are born, educated and kept safe by taxes. I'd say that was a pretty reasonable return. It would be nice to have a say in where it's diverted to or have a sliding scale of services vs payments but they're a necessary evil. The alternative is even more evil.

It reminds me of Lauryn Hill whining about her tax problems saying she was born into a society she didn't give consent for. Join the fuckin' club, darlin'.

If we raise the issue that people are born in the society in which they do not want to, since to leave this closed Circle? It seems to me that there is only one way out, it is getting rid of any citizenship. If a person is not a citizen of any country, then he lagged and can not.

Remember to consider what it takes to be a citizen of a country. If you have to be born in a country to be a citizen, you first have to find out the definition of what that coutry is to find out if you are a citizen of it or not.

What I am getting at is that many people have assumed that they were a citizen of a particular country. They looked at a map, and found that their living location (city) was listed in that country. So, they assuned that they were a citizen. Then, when they attempted to revoketheir citizenship, they told government that they were a citizen, and government simply accepted what they said, and pointed out the law that says that citizens have no to right to revoke their citizenship. Revocation denied... or if it was accepted, there were strings attached for taxation purposes.


When you look at the details of why you might be a citizen of a certain country, you might be happy to find that you are not a citizen. If you own land in that country, you don't own it if you are a citizen, unless the government owns all the land, and only gives you permission to live there. But then you don't own it in the first place.

Think about it. You might only THINK you are a citizen. But if Government can get you to SAY you are a citizen, then you are if they accept you. And you don't even realize that you were not a citizen, but that you made yourself one by saying it in your attempt to revoke citizenship that doesn't really exist in the first place.

[Guzztsar]

These disagreements about the tax, may be related to each country.
Everyone who lives in a corrupt country, with high taxes, and poor infrastructure, feels stolen

So...if someone takes something from you without your consent, it only matters if the person is corrupt to determine if someone took something from you without your consent (ie. theft).

That does not matter, what I mean is the concept that people have about taxes varies from how their government handles the collected money.
What changes is just the tolerance, not the fact of being robbed

[Elwar]

Nah. The people who are moaning about them are born, educated and kept safe by taxes. I'd say that was a pretty reasonable return. It would be nice to have a say in where it's diverted to or have a sliding scale of services vs payments but they're a necessary evil. The alternative is even more evil.

It reminds me of Lauryn Hill whining about her tax problems saying she was born into a society she didn't give consent for. Join the fuckin' club, darlin'.

Reminds me of all of these socialists that go around whining about capitalism as they go to the grocery store to buy their choice of a wide variety of food with their iPhone in their pocket.

[Elwar]

For all of those people that are ok with someone taking your money as long as the money is used for "good" with only a little bit of corruption, please list your bank account login information along with your bank wire codes. I promise I will do some good with your money. You are now bound by this social contract I just created.

Also please PM me your bitcoin private keys. I promise not to steal your bitcoins. I will only tax them.

Please let me know what sort of costume I should wear and maybe a picture with some symbols behind me to set your mind at ease to ensure you that I am official. Maybe a shiny star on my chest, an awkwardly shaped hat that shows you that I am not just some regular guy stealing from you but someone who is there to help the community.

I also promise to make all of your dreams come true. If that helps.

[BADecker]

Taxation in the USA can be worked around like this - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2027172.msg20200388#msg20200388.

[crwth]

For all of those people that are ok with someone taking your money as long as the money is used for "good" with only a little bit of corruption, please list your bank account login information along with your bank wire codes. I promise I will do some good with your money. You are now bound by this social contract I just created.

Also please PM me your bitcoin private keys. I promise not to steal your bitcoins. I will only tax them.

I find it funny that you are making fun of it because it's some kind of true, it is like that. If you plan to make use of your money for the better or for "Good", it's better to donate to a known charity that for sure, not use your money on evil things because I think there are a lot of charities that are frauds and cannot make due to other promises that they say.

[kingmcmoneysack]

as it is executed in most "civilized" countries it is not only theft but a crucial part in a system of enslavement 2.0
though im glad they dont whip us anymore

[crabwilder]

Taxes can be used like silent thefts, there are many for this purpose, but they are part of the income of a country.

[Sithara007]

Taxes can be used like silent thefts, there are many for this purpose, but they are part of the income of a country.

The government is dependent on the tax revenues. I agree with that. But what is the point in having super-high tax rates (such as 45% income tax in Germany), when you are imposing a lot of indirect taxes as well (such as VAT and GST)?

[Elwar]

Taxes can be used like silent thefts, there are many for this purpose, but they are part of the income of a country.

The government is dependent on the tax revenues. I agree with that. But what is the point in having super-high tax rates (such as 45% income tax in Germany), when you are imposing a lot of indirect taxes as well (such as VAT and GST)?

Because they can.

[kissmarx]

If you feel robbed by the government, and

you hate getting taxed, it's simple, don't pay it.

And if you don't want your government to run after you, go to another country where taxes are not taken seriously.

If you hate getting raped it's simple, go some place where there are no men.

Being taxed is a feeling like getting raped for some people.

[kissmarx]

If you consent to pay, what's being theft about taxes?

Someone compared taxes with rape. So if you agree to have sex, that's not rape at all. It won't qualify an offence.
But if you don't agree, and yet you liked what's going on. How do you call that?

So when you're feeling being forced to pay taxes (you hated paying), but then you see the tax collector is beautiful and sexy woman or a handsome; so now you love to pay the tax. How do you call that?

[Elwar]

[BADecker]

Government, itself is only paperwork.

Government officials are people.

In the USA, the proper way to stop people from stealing your property is to take them to court as people, not as corporate government officials.

[riepiz]

Taxation isn't theft, its the cost of living in society and you definitely do have a say on your taxes because you can choose who you vote for.

[BADecker]

Taxation isn't theft, its the cost of living in society and you definitely do have a say on your taxes because you can choose who you vote for.

Choosing who to vote for doesn't determine who wins the election.

In the USA, the Electoral College determines who gets elected. The only reason they might attempt to reflect the public's desires is that there might be some flack from the public if they do it wrong. But there usually isn't.

So, once these officials get elected, they appoint all kinds of people to carry out their orders. These people hire others to carry out their orders. By the time it gets down to the the final instructions for the public, it is way different that the elected officials had in mind anyway. That's part of the reason that we have codes rather than laws to follow.