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[K~Ehleyr]

on a decision that they were not qualified to make in the first place,

There you go with the elitist thinking again.  I am trying to be patient, but this is really offensive.

Who, pray tell, IS qualified to make such decisions in a democracy?

People who have a clue about the actual consequences, I'd say.

I can't speak for K~Ehleyr, but I have been following the Brexit matter closely since the debate started. The urban people, the educated, the young, overwhelmingly voted "Remain". So did some geographical/economical minorities (notably Scotland). The bulk of "Leave" voters were working class folk, afraid because they're losing their jobs to Polish plumbers. They have been lied to, their fears exploited cynically. Now these people see that the foreign plumber isn't going away anyway, but the City workers who used to be their customers at lunchtime or when their expensive shirts needed washing are going away if the government isn't able to negotiate merciful terms. And things look like the they won't be able to.

This is not about centralization/decentralization IMO. It's about an open market or a closed market. It's much harder to produce (or keep) wealth in the latter. Some of the uneducated are beginning to realize what happened above their heads, and they aren't going to be happy about that.

Thank you d_eddie, that's very well put.

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[Last of the V8s]

https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/announcing-microsoft-s-coco-framework-for-enterprise-blockchain-networks/?cdn=disable
smh

"My ice cream cones shop now has blockchain and my family couldn't be happier!"

This William Gates fella will probably end up doing quite well for himself.

[conspirosphere.tk]

This is not about centralization/decentralization IMO. It's about an open market or a closed market. It's much harder to produce (or keep) wealth in the latter. Some of the uneducated are beginning to realize what happened above their heads, and they aren't going to be happy about that.

Either you're a shill or you're a fool. There Is No Alternative.

[d_eddie]

This is not about centralization/decentralization IMO. It's about an open market or a closed market. It's much harder to produce (or keep) wealth in the latter. Some of the uneducated are beginning to realize what happened above their heads, and they aren't going to be happy about that.

Either you're a shill or you're a fool. There Is No Alternative.

I must be a fool, then.

[Meuh6879]

There Is No Alternative.

don't use the actual financial sector.
build your own financial sector.
build a exit door.
be your bank.
think.
use.

[jojo69]

you guys want an all time high?

I'm thinking of taking one for the team here

[deepcolderwallet]

And no less centralised because the UK will now be ruled by one bastard government that cannot be trusted, instead of having the other 27 countries of the EU to moderate.

But it is less centralized because the sovereign unit is smaller.  If you do not like the current UK government, work to change it.  The smaller the sovereign unit he more impact an individual can have on its policy.

By your way of thinking one world government would be best because then we would have 195 countries to "moderate".

Only if you think the individual can have any impact at all.  In reality, the disassociation from the EU and in particular the cessation of the bill of human rights and the jurisdiction of the ECJ means that the fascist tory government running the UK will now be free to be as draconian as they like with nobody and no body able to intervene.  The British voters will have the opportunity to change the government at the next general election, yes, but they've already shown that their judgement is flawed and I personally won't be eligible to vote in the next UK general election anyway.  I'm waiting to see what happens and how my rights are affected by the negotiations, but there's a good chance I'll be changing my nationality in order to protect my own rights.

When someone starts using those bold words I can predict there's a red star or a hammer and sickle on a card somewhere in their wallet. Please go away with your socialist bullshit. I drink communist tears in my breakfast.




And NO! You're not changing your nationality in order to protect your own rights. You mindless millenials who cry for Clintons are stupid and lazy enough to do this. Best odd you're likely to go to a protest and show your ugly skinny tits before crying in front of cameras.

[Syke]

you guys want an all time high?

I'm thinking of taking one for the team here

doit, it takes about $2.2M gets us over 3490 on bitstamp.

[jojo69]

you guys want an all time high?
I'm thinking of taking one for the team here

Hodl, friend.

thanks, you have read the situation correctly

I am a ... ... terrible ... trader, and I am indeed thinking of taking some profits here

if I do, ATH guaranteed

[jbreher]

Yeah... who would want those incompetent self-centered nutjobs running the show ? 

After all this time, you _still_ don't get it. This is Bitcoin. Permissionless. There is no 'running the show'.

[jbreher]

That also sends a signal to the market that the "upgrade" is unanimously consensutated, even if it is done in a forcible way.

So is it logic that you don't understand, or is it English that you don't understand?

Read again.

Part 1) Sends the market the signal that the "upgrade" is unanimously consensuated. <- A signal, an "appearance". Not necessarily the "reality".
Part 2) even if it is done in a forcible way <- The reality. As the 100% is forced in second stage after a 80% consensus first stage. That's basically what hapened with BIP91..., except BIP91 was already over 90%.

You really don't realize that 'unanimous consent' and 'forcible' are diametrically opposed?


"War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength."
- G. Gubby Orwell

[conspirosphere.tk]

you guys want an all time high?

I'm thinking of taking one for the team here

If it breaks $3500 the sky is the limit

[podyx]

Does anybody know if there is any place to bet bitcoin on Mayweather vs McGregor fight?

i would't give you the odds on mcgregor to win    like never gonna happen how much we would't like it to be

Nah, I would bet on Mayweather. Free money basically if payout is 20% or more

[bitserve]

That also sends a signal to the market that the "upgrade" is unanimously consensutated, even if it is done in a forcible way.

So is it logic that you don't understand, or is it English that you don't understand?

Read again.

Part 1) Sends the market the signal that the "upgrade" is unanimously consensuated. <- A signal, an "appearance". Not necessarily the "reality".
Part 2) even if it is done in a forcible way <- The reality. As the 100% is forced in second stage after a 80% consensus first stage. That's basically what hapened with BIP91..., except BIP91 was already over 90%.

You really don't realize that 'unanimous consent' and 'forcible' are diametrically opposed?


"War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength."
- G. Gubby Orwell

I do. The market doesn't. The market establish price. I like price rises. As I said, I am fine with that.

P.S.: Read the news. Bitcoin locked segwit with 100% consensus... And it is "true"... yet we both know there was some "forcible pressure" to reach that 100% after BIP91 passed.

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

I first checked the $300 video.... after being horrified by the ugly apartment (not to mention the bathroom) I switched to the $600 one... Still horrified. Why would I want to be rich to live like that?

Maybe I am a bit picky about HOME and not that much about food, etc... donno. Is there any other videos for living a "rich" life on a budget there or something?

No idea. Like I said, living would be 3k per month not 300. When you start looking at higher costs it is more stuff catering to foreigners so the price can go up quickly.

My friend has a house with a pool and he figures 2k is enough.

Oh ok, then it isn't much cheaper than living in my country. Maybe it isn't even cheaper.

I supposse it looks cheap in comparison to living well in USA which, yes, it is really expensive and nice houses/apartments in premiun places are still incredibly  overpriced. Salaries are also WAY higher so I guess it is ok.

I've been living 50% of each year in SE Asia since 2001. Costs have gone up and in some places like Bali, a lot.  Currently I rent a 3 bedroom/3 bathroom house across from the beach in Vietnam for $350 a month (exclusive of electric).  It's not as nice as my house in Canada but its clean and safe with the added perks of weather and cheap food. The largest benefit to living there is the fact that I become way more active outside the house which would have been spent hibernating indoors had I stayed in the cold. I figure it costs me about 30% less to be in Vietnam than Canada for the winter.  I buy what I want and typically never need to spend more than $2000 CAD in a month.

I was reading recently about a community of digital nomads living in Chang Mai, Thailand for about $500 a month. But it's a mixed bag. Thai justice is brutal. Who wants to be that snowbird sitting in a Thai jail for smoking a joint or calling the king a cock. Land of smiles, indeed.

[conspirosphere.tk]

Thai justice is brutal. Who wants to be that snowbird sitting in a Thai jail for smoking a joint or calling the king a cock. Land of smiles, indeed.

Maybe we should start a new thread about:
-Where you can live large on the cheap
-saying whatever you want
-smoke whatever you want
I think that bitcoin gentlemen would appreciate.

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

Thai justice is brutal. Who wants to be that snowbird sitting in a Thai jail for smoking a joint or calling the king a cock. Land of smiles, indeed.

Maybe we should start a new thread about:
-Where you can live large on the cheap
-saying whatever you want
-smoke whatever you want
I think that bitcoin gentlemen would appreciate.

Sounds like paradise.

[empowering]

on a decision that they were not qualified to make in the first place,

There you go with the elitist thinking again.  I am trying to be patient, but this is really offensive.

Who, pray tell, IS qualified to make such decisions in a democracy?

People who have a clue about the actual consequences, I'd say.

I can't speak for K~Ehleyr, but I have been following the Brexit matter closely since the debate started. The urban people, the educated, the young, overwhelmingly voted "Remain". So did some geographical/economical minorities (notably Scotland). The bulk of "Leave" voters were working class folk, afraid because they're losing their jobs to Polish plumbers. They have been lied to, their fears exploited cynically. Now these people see that the foreign plumber isn't going away anyway, but the City workers who used to be their customers at lunchtime or when their expensive shirts needed washing are going away if the government isn't able to negotiate merciful terms. And things look like the they won't be able to.

This is not about centralization/decentralization IMO. It's about an open market or a closed market. It's much harder to produce (or keep) wealth in the latter. Some of the uneducated are beginning to realize what happened above their heads, and they aren't going to be happy about that.

Nonsense.

Sorry but utter utter shyte

[empowering]

for me it's not personal with you or the other guy.
my point is the Brexit/remain debate is a total sideshow constructed by current political elites, completely irrelevant to the future of the British Isles, which absolutely belongs not to them but to us here present.

I certainly can't disagree that it's a politically constructed sideshow.  The problem is that it's the ordinary people that will pay the price, through loss of business, loss of jobs, loss of rights, a collapsed economy and high inflation...

If it unemployes some bureaucratic parasites in Brussels that's good enough for me.

The EU is a failed institution, they would be well advised to start winding it down before the guillotines come out.

The EU has serious problems, I never said it was perfect!  It won't be the bureaucrats in Brussels losing their jobs because of Brexit though, it will be ordinary hard-working people losing their jobs when the businesses they work for relocate to other countries in order to avoid trading tariffs and restrictions.

"The British voters will have the opportunity to change the government at the next general election, yes, but they've already shown that their judgement is flawed"
 
The voters have a different opinion then me, so democracy must be bad". Where have I heard that before?

I never said that.  Just because I say that voters made a bad choice, strongly influenced by lies, on a decision that they were not qualified to make in the first place, does not mean that I wouldn't defend their right to make that choice.

What do you think will happen - who will lose their jobs when the house of cards that is the EU collapses? Which it will.

Remind me again the current monthly QE figure please ?

[d_eddie]

on a decision that they were not qualified to make in the first place,

There you go with the elitist thinking again.  I am trying to be patient, but this is really offensive.

Who, pray tell, IS qualified to make such decisions in a democracy?

People who have a clue about the actual consequences, I'd say.

I can't speak for K~Ehleyr, but I have been following the Brexit matter closely since the debate started. The urban people, the educated, the young, overwhelmingly voted "Remain". So did some geographical/economical minorities (notably Scotland). The bulk of "Leave" voters were working class folk, afraid because they're losing their jobs to Polish plumbers. They have been lied to, their fears exploited cynically. Now these people see that the foreign plumber isn't going away anyway, but the City workers who used to be their customers at lunchtime or when their expensive shirts needed washing are going away if the government isn't able to negotiate merciful terms. And things look like the they won't be able to.

This is not about centralization/decentralization IMO. It's about an open market or a closed market. It's much harder to produce (or keep) wealth in the latter. Some of the uneducated are beginning to realize what happened above their heads, and they aren't going to be happy about that.

Nonsense.

Sorry but utter utter shyte

No need to be sorry for disagreeing.
Some more elaborated arguing wouldn't hurt, though.