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[yefi]

I am not a hodler. I am an investor. I bought BTC to sell it to make money not to marry with it like you guys. I bought it at 8k, sold it at 17k.

But you hodlers, bought it at 1K, 2K, it reached 19K you still didn't sell it. Now it is 4.5k, you are still not selling it.

So who made the money now? Hodler or investor?

Anyway, wait for another 2-3 years until BTC reaches that level again so you can sell to make some money after hodling for 5-6 years.

Oh, well looks at you, aren't you the big boy. A 100% profit, how could we ever compete?

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[realr0ach]

You know I cam to the thought that this is all a big coordinated attempt to flip Bitcoin cash to mean Bitcoin. Here's the logic

1: highly dramatic public fork (use this as an excuse to ignite price crash)
2: Show on fork that it's obviously technically worse
3: Fuck with hashrate
4: Dump coins at every barrier
5: When Bitcoin is low enough manipulate BCash selected fork on exchanges (buy all sell orders, pump it)
6: Have Bcash price artificially greater than Bitcoin
7: Bitmain moves all hashrate to Bcash


This would make everyone involved tons of money and give them power.

Am I fucking Looney or is this an orchistrated fucking attack

Yes, you are looney.  In reality, when the price was $200-1000, there was spoofing, fake walls, and all kinds of shit on the sell side all the time.  From $1000-20,000, all the spoofing, fake walls, and everything else is on the buy side trying to prop up the price.  Even right now it's still like that, way more effort being spent trying to artificially prop the price up by a few monopolists that own tons of imaginary, valueless tokens.  The market does not care whatsoever or even acknowledge the existence of the scammer known as Craig Wright.  The price was simply rigged into an artificial bubble and is impossible to stay there forever.

[Last of the V8s]

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[mindrust]

I say it is probably a good time to buy from now on for the next 2 years. Imagine btc at $300 in Jan/15, we are at the exact spot.

[fabiorem]

The attacks are not orchestrated
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Yes, they are.

[samson]

Are you sure we've gone past the 'panic' stage yet?

[Globb0]

I cant see how when we are still 10 x despondency must at least be in the red right?

[realr0ach]

The main problem with this market right now is that even for people who are good at picking entry points, if you think the bottom is $4k's, $3k, $1k or whatever the fuck, the oil market just did a flying swan dive indicating some type of deflationary collapse unless they do more bailouts/QE4.  So you not only have to be a bitcoin trading expert, you need to be a macro expert and have inside information on what central banks and the fed are doing too or you can still get wiped out by macro deflationary/inflation movements.

You're trapped in an unwinnable casino no matter how good you are, which is why a lot of people like me's main position is physical metals since it's the closest thing out there to just boycotting the entire system while maintaining sizeable upside.  There's a few manipulators on this forum who make believe they're good, but they're going to get their doors blown off by some unforeseen macro-movement when shitcoins are all just dollar derivatives:

[yefi]

I know we read the charts differently, but surely the 2014 was already confirmed by the length and shape of the downtrend ?  This latest plunge just hammers it home.

The dilemma for me now isn't between a 2013 or 2014 drop, but between a 2014 drop and cryptowinter. The later would entail a brutal arctic tundra for years, with not even the halving releasing us from its icy grip.

[kingcolex]

(Extreme) panic has set in for me without doubt. Wish I’d sold it all at $19,000

Everyone always wishes they sold at the high. I have a target price since I bought in 2013. I won't sell any stash till then and will ride it to zero if I have too. I just don't want too.

lmao..

when it was 20k, these guys were saying hodllll.

now it is 4.5k, they are still saying hodllll.

so sad.

Well dick head, go look at the chart of bitcoin price since it started. those hodlers have done pretty damn well for themselves. 

Lmao. You are a real moron who contradicts himself in the same post.

I am not a hodler. I am an investor. I bought BTC to sell it to make money not to marry with it like you guys. I bought it at 8k, sold it at 17k.

But you hodlers, bought it at 1K, 2K, it reached 19K you still didn't sell it. Now it is 4.5k, you are still not selling it.

So who made the money now? Hodler or investor?

Anyway, wait for another 2-3 years until BTC reaches that level again so you can sell to make some money after hodling for 5-6 years.

Bitch, I bought most of my coins below $600. Even at this price I’ve made far more than you.

Suck a fat one!

fuck I bought my first at $50, boy oh boy how many did I spend on stupid stick miners and how many full bitcoins did I mine with 3gigahash. Those were the days.

[Last of the V8s]

The attacks are not orchestrated
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yet.

Yes, they are.

Hmm, ok let's say 'we ain't seen nothing yet'. The anti-money-laundering attack is gathering pace and is fairly organised.
What else?
Not this Craig Wright blahblah? Yes he may be being run by an alphabet agency, no it's not having any effect on bitcoin.
Are they also running Larimer, Bloomberg, Buterin et al. scammers yet?

[realr0ach]

Lmao. You are a real moron who contradicts himself in the same post.

I am not a hodler. I am an investor. I bought BTC to sell it to make money not to marry with it like you guys. I bought it at 8k, sold it at 17k.

But you hodlers, bought it at 1K, 2K, it reached 19K you still didn't sell it. Now it is 4.5k, you are still not selling it.

So who made the money now? Hodler or investor?

Anyway, wait for another 2-3 years until BTC reaches that level again so you can sell to make some money after hodling for 5-6 years.

Bitch, I bought most of my coins below $600. Even at this price I’ve made far more than you.

Suck a fat one!

The only two recent entry points for smart money were $200 and maybe the end of the cup and handle for swing traders, but the latter also involved a supposed China and Russia ban, so those were sort of gamblers instead of smart money.  If you bought at $600, you're some guy throwing darts randomly at a dart board.  The guy that bought at $8k in the middle of a parabolic blowoff top is also just a gambler.  Some gamblers do well (for a while), but you definitely don't want to be one.

[samson]

(Extreme) panic has set in for me without doubt. Wish I’d sold it all at $19,000

Everyone always wishes they sold at the high. I have a target price since I bought in 2013. I won't sell any stash till then and will ride it to zero if I have too. I just don't want too.

lmao..

when it was 20k, these guys were saying hodllll.

now it is 4.5k, they are still saying hodllll.

so sad.

Well dick head, go look at the chart of bitcoin price since it started. those hodlers have done pretty damn well for themselves. 

Lmao. You are a real moron who contradicts himself in the same post.

I am not a hodler. I am an investor. I bought BTC to sell it to make money not to marry with it like you guys. I bought it at 8k, sold it at 17k.

But you hodlers, bought it at 1K, 2K, it reached 19K you still didn't sell it. Now it is 4.5k, you are still not selling it.

So who made the money now? Hodler or investor?

Anyway, wait for another 2-3 years until BTC reaches that level again so you can sell to make some money after hodling for 5-6 years.

LOL, I started buying at around $12, that's twelve dollars, not $12k.

You might not realise it but many of the same people who post in this forum today are still here from well before the time when I joined back in 2012 which means a lot of them almost certainly got their initial coins for way less than I did.

[realr0ach]

LOL, I started buying at around $12, that's twelve dollars, not $12k.

My first coins were someone giving me 50 for free and I was like "the hell am I supposed to do with this?" and deleted them.

[Ibian]

LOL, I started buying at around $12, that's twelve dollars, not $12k.

My first coins were someone giving me 50 for free and I was like "the hell am I supposed to do with this?" and deleted them.

No wonder your defense mechanisms are in permanent overdrive.

[realr0ach]

LOL, I started buying at around $12, that's twelve dollars, not $12k.

My first coins were someone giving me 50 for free and I was like "the hell am I supposed to do with this?" and deleted them.

No wonder your defense mechanisms are in permanent overdrive.

I don't think they even had a dollar value at all then and you probably could have browsed faucets or something later on to get more if you really wanted to.  Even though I've profited off the stupid things, I still view them pretty much exactly the same as then - as valueless, imaginary, super mario tokens.  The first time I ever exchanged bitcoins for physical silver and gold I just looked around in disbelief opening the package like "did someone really give me silver and gold for imaginary 0's and 1's?".  I felt like I just scammed someone.

[Digithusiast]

"valueless, imaginary, super mario tokens"... ? well, you could do a lot of good with your valueless, imaginary, super mario tokens...

[evergreendog]

We are all going to die in the end anyways and the environment is already fucked from capitalism.  

It's only numbers on a screen.  Health is much more important than money.

[Syke]

[realr0ach]

We are all going to die in the end anyways and the environment is already fucked from capitalism.  

Can't have capitalism with a central bank.  A central bank is one of the main tenets of communism.  Bitcoin itself is supposed to be an automated central bank, but transaction validators are designed to centralize, so it's more of a Pandora's box of whatever goverment or pseudo-government organizations takes control of it like the G8, G20, UN, The Fed, BIS, or whoever.  They then regulate and administer blacklists on the 2-10 or so huge mining pools, mandatory identity tied to accounts with stuff like chain anchor, and it's a giant permissioned ledger slavery system identical to the Chinese social credit score system.  

Whether that is by accident or by design all along is the only real discussion.