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November 24, 2018, 09:38:01 AM

It is clear that the ‘risk-on’ Money is leaving the market for now (also stocks etc) but no great topping process goes without violent ups and downs. Expect risk to switch ‘on’ a few times before the financial markets definitely go bear market.
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November 24, 2018, 09:56:40 AM

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Thought the same but never no Maybe VERY Maybe @ the Total begin .... but think not also not gonna argue that cause i’m not 100%sure


Well sometimes any of us posting here could talk about percentages or amount or strategies, and the only thing i recall you disclosing related to strategies... such as hodl and buydl of BTC.. and maybe amounts related to games, but not amounts that you were buying or even how long that you have been buying.. even though that could be easy to miss some posts that might have gone over that.

Regarding myself, I have provided a bit more regarding percentages of BTC bought but usually not amounts, except every once in a while I might describe amounts as examples or maybe amounts of some transactions that I have done, for example in the context of debunking claims about slow transaction times and/or high transaction fees.

I've let Mic know what I remember and I'm happy to stand corrected if I'm wrong. 
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Thought the same but never no Maybe VERY Maybe @ the Total begin .... but think not also not gonna argue that cause i’m not 100%sure


Well sometimes any of us posting here could talk about percentages or amount or strategies, and the only thing i recall you disclosing related to strategies... such as hodl and buydl of BTC.. and maybe amounts related to games, but not amounts that you were buying or even how long that you have been buying.. even though that could be easy to miss some posts that might have gone over that.

Regarding myself, I have provided a bit more regarding percentages of BTC bought but usually not amounts, except every once in a while I might describe amounts as examples or maybe amounts of some transactions that I have done, for example in the context of debunking claims about slow transaction times and/or high transaction fees.

my starting strategie is that i was very lucky how i got into BTC, cause i played poker with a guy @ the table and when he lost he needed to sell BTC to pay his losses (he's in belgium i guess the nr1 most online winner in poker will probably belong in the top of the world but is very anonymous and has always been, also i just think he is on everything i have seen and cause of BTC price rises...... i cannot give his online playnames offcourse= MY PERSONAL THINKING NOT PROVEN TO BE TRUE).
But from the moment when we got in touch and we played high stakes ... it wasn't comfortable for him cause when he lost always needed to change BTC for fiat to pay in the game to the winner, now after few games he said i wanna play much higher stakes but to do thathe asked me if he could pay in BTC and told me all how it worked and as the host (and didn't want that kind of selling and banksendings) @ that time i said its good and he made me an exchange account and helped me out with everything since, now the first time when we back played was a special day cause right there i was the big winner and didn't have to pay anyone out so didn't need to change out those BTC's and decided to just let it stand, 370$-ish fiat value time of BTC right there and it only did rise.... story after few times more of playing was that we challenged each other and played with a group of 3-4 max and played reasonable high stakes online poker to each other and nobody else, and lucky as i am i almost didn't lose a session since .....

now thats been my most accumulating strategie on gaining BTC while this was going on for a few years by now i also bought BTC with fiat on occasionaly DIP's or when somebody wanted to sell some for cash etc
also my friend adviced me to buy few alts @ previous times and when to get out so there i also did accumulate some (offcourse now on a few alt's i'm rekt as well but over the line gained a bit more then the losses on the alt's that i remain to have....)
but its difficult to say my cases in percentages....., one thing we have in our group and thats the first time when we played on laptop +- 3 tables of PLO, by then the whole game was in BTC so like SB= 0.05 BB=0.1BTC  and i think BTC value there was little over 1K ..... that was my most memorable day of poker in my personal history, i crushed the two other players like i didn't lose a single hand on those 3 tables for a whole evening/early night of playing , when i send my mails with BTCaddresses i wrote session of DOOM with it, as today the 2 other players of that evening reminds me of how lucky i was there .
lately we played short deck holdem and again it get outrages some times but again i was lucky last time and gained around 40% of what i won with that session of DOOM= in BTC value, so in fiat value even more, but please give me that DOOM session instead, also that was one night last wins was from over 1month and a week or so .....

so JJG its to understand i cannot see how i work in %'s for my case ?
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November 24, 2018, 10:21:45 AM

We welcome our new goose overlord.
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November 24, 2018, 10:32:16 AM
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We welcome our new goose overlord.

just exhausting every single action must be in detail for JJG and i know its not something for in here, its not about winning or losing BTC on poker in here but thats been my game in earning accumulating BTC........
but if your not a player then there's not much to discuss about that and for the rest buy few alt's - buy occasionally DIP's, but i didn't made much of action with going long or short like you pro's
last time we almost did.... but not yet LUCKY after all Smiley
but with those things i just follow my friend and don't make my own decissions, HODL is already good enough for me to manage, making some moves actions on the market i going to let been done by a friend/trader with a FEW to risk BTC's and don't get attached on it .... i think its not bad and he has proven some ability's to make decissions that are very reasonable and is never emotionally attached to his actions and always does what he feels that needs to be done....
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November 24, 2018, 10:41:37 AM

JJG is a nosey wanker, pretending he's talking about accumulation strategies, all the while estimating people's coin hodl for his little list.
It's not cricket.
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Dropped 75% this could be an indicator. Let us know when the price goes to 2$!
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Dropped 75% this could be an indicator. Let us know when the price goes to 2 euros!

F*** no they probably won't sell them for a year after december .........
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mmm BULLmachinery everywhere
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November 24, 2018, 11:13:26 AM

Speaking of trilema, what ever happened to Mircea Popescu?
He soldiers on.
MPOE-PR has a baby duck. And tits.
More insights anon.
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November 24, 2018, 11:14:50 AM

haha

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November 24, 2018, 11:43:38 AM

JJG is a nosey wanker, pretending he's talking about accumulation strategies, all the while estimating people's coin hodl for his little list.
It's not cricket.

He’s building a quantum computer to end us all! He has parts of our private keys, one day we’ll check our balances & they’ll all be 0BTC

**JJG EVIL LAUGHTER**
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November 24, 2018, 11:45:18 AM

You also need government protection if you were to establish any seastead, which ultimately makes a seastead largely unfeasible because you are going to be in nearly constant negotiations for your own sovereignty and protection(s) in order to maintain your anti-government posture, you have to suck their dicks.. probably figuratively. 

The only thing we would need government protection from is the government.
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JJG is a nosey wanker, pretending he's talking about accumulation strategies, all the while estimating people's coin hodl for his little list.
It's not cricket.

He’s building a quantum computer to end us all! He has parts of our private keys, one day we’ll check our balances & they’ll all be 0BTC

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Get the fuck out of here with your Quantum BS

ladder ladder yadda yadda

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November 24, 2018, 12:20:15 PM

The mouths became like that ugly woman sell sell sell !!!!!!
This is a time of hold buy
I'm wrong???
So, damn it, I hope prices fall to 1,000usd per btc And everyone loses
and fuck all Community of bitcoin
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November 24, 2018, 12:21:13 PM

Stop that red line.....create a green one instead
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November 24, 2018, 12:32:42 PM


 Bitcoin moon will be as beautiful as
 Z --> Z2 + C

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thanks Smiley I like your choice of background spirals. I used to have such fractal in green color on windows desktop.

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nice one, gonna add it as soon as possible Wink
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November 24, 2018, 01:08:15 PM

Wonder what the weekend will bring, I’d be happy to settle for sideways. Please no more blood shed!
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November 24, 2018, 01:29:30 PM
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Don't bother arguing with these fools as 99% of them are too lazy to have done any due diligence themselves and just hope that someone else will work on bitcoin and it will somehow make them rich.  From memory, when I did the estimates way back in the day, I think I came up with bitcoin needing 8 MB blocks in the long run to function as a global settlement system where transactions of around $10k or more are viable.

Is 2 MB blocks + LN equal or better to that?  No.  LN is an even more centralized, more permissioned version of bitcoin where they seek to transfer all consumer payments to.  So you theoretically CAN transfer most bitcoin traffic there, but LN doesn't actually have anything in common with bitcoin in the first place.  It's a totally different system.  It's like replacing bitcoin with bitshares and pretending it's the same thing.  But when it comes down to it, bitcoin transaction validators are designed to centralize, nullifying any reason for it's existence, so there's no point in even discussing building any 2nd tier layers on it.

Discussing LN vs bigger blocks is like discussing what color to paint the Titanic.  It's 100% impossible to create a decentralized digital currency where transaction validators don't centralize.

I'm not certain why you constantly belabor this point of decentralization. Satoshi himself already acknowledged this isn't going evolve into a perfectly decentralized system.
Quote from: Satoshi
The current system where every user is a network node is not the intended configuration for large scale.  That would be like every Usenet user runs their own NNTP server.  The design supports letting users just be users.  The more burden it is to run a node, the fewer nodes there will be.  Those few nodes will be big server farms.  The rest will be client nodes that only do transactions and don't generate.

It's not me that is wrong, you have only quoted Satoshi posts where he admits he's fully aware he's creating a designed to centralize, permissioned ledger.
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