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May 28, 2019, 11:23:33 PM

Earlier this month Congress Rep. Sherman said the US should outlaw owning and buying cryptocurrencies.

$BTC is up 50% since.

Bitcoin is anti-fragile. The more they try to stop it the stronger it becomes.

https://twitter.com/VentureCoinist/status/1133441378917277697
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Just saw this terrible quotes commercial on TV that mentioned cryptocurrencies.

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8 500 Toronto days!!. Never trust them.
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6-If this would to happen, BTC would just fork, adjusting difficulty and freezing his coins (you gotta be pretty retarded to think that people who believe in BTC would just give up and switch to BSV to blindly follow the leader "Satoshi"). This is bitcoin, we trust in math not in deities.

Let me see if I have this correct. You think that, should Satoshi start cashing in some amount of his Bitcoins, that the community should fork to deny Satoshi the fruit of his labor?

Divorce the question from whether or not CSW has any relation to Satoshi - that's irrelevant. But I really want to know if you think such an action by the community is warranted.
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In other words, you will continue to respond with irrelevancies that have nothing whatsoever to do with what I am typing. Funny way to have a ... 'discussion'. I guess I'm out.

What was irrelevant?

All of it. Shall we review? Yeah, for the nth time. Tongue

1) I dunno. The pervasive narrative in this here space is that everything out of Craig's mouth is either: a lie, or; simply wrong. As such, how could anything he say undermine the legitimacy of the sector?

You forgot to mention fraud & plagiarism. He gives BTC a bad reputation with all these lies. BTC, OK?

OTOH, if he has the capability to carry out such a threat, how would his huge advance warning not be a good thing?

Advantage my ass, it's just FUD. Advance warning for what? His lies?

2) I dunno again. Before vanishing, Satoshi revealed very little of his personal proclivities. I see no evidence therein to support the notion that he might not use his substantial war chest in order to tilt the market in favor of what he perceives as the more faithful rendition of his ideals. What exactly am I missing in his writings?

Fuck his writings, check out his videos & ..... admire the clown. Do you understand that would be the end of it all? Nod if you do.
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This chart has some great info!


$BTC: Still waiting on that 30%+ pullback?
Bitcoin had eight 30%+ pullbacks last market uptrend but the average time between each pullback was 98 days
BTC had a serious 26.3% pullback on May 17th, which means the next major retrace could be a couple months away



https://twitter.com/Josh_Rager/status/1133371092175863808
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May 29, 2019, 12:54:21 AM

This chart has some great info!


$BTC: Still waiting on that 30%+ pullback?
Bitcoin had eight 30%+ pullbacks last market uptrend but the average time between each pullback was 98 days
BTC had a serious 26.3% pullback on May 17th, which means the next major retrace could be a couple months away



https://twitter.com/Josh_Rager/status/1133371092175863808

It had that pullback on bitstamp only.   all the other exchanges were between 16 - 19%  average of 17.5%

It only went that low on bitstamp because of the 4000 sell wall.

It's going to dump slow but steady soon ending at $2500 before the year is out imho.
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6-If this would to happen, BTC would just fork, adjusting difficulty and freezing his coins (you gotta be pretty retarded to think that people who believe in BTC would just give up and switch to BSV to blindly follow the leader "Satoshi"). This is bitcoin, we trust in math not in deities.

Let me see if I have this correct. You think that, should Satoshi start cashing in some amount of his Bitcoins, that the community should fork to deny Satoshi the fruit of his labor?

Divorce the question from whether or not CSW has any relation to Satoshi - that's irrelevant. But I really want to know if you think such an action by the community is warranted.

You took the quote out of context, but let me see if i can spell this out for you "cashing in some amount" is different from crashing the price and then 51% attacking it to destroy the network. Did you watch the video at all? BTC is not a cult and has grown beyond Satoshi. If any entity attempts to destroy BTC, an appropriate action must be taken, even if that entity is "Satoshi". Personally i can live with the idea of Satoshi gone cuckoo or that he wasn't a perfect person (sold guns drugs etc...)

Now to answer your question as phrased, personally i don't have an issue with Satoshi responsibly cashing out and even endorsing BSV (I support ideas not people). But as i previously wrote on this topic, realistically speaking, it'll be very hard for someone to conclusive prove that they're Satoshi. Especially in case of CSW, who couldn't have distanced himself further from Satoshi if he tried. So if CSW has private keys, we would most definitely fork, and then market would decide (but if he kills off one fork [to force people to follow his new chain] he'd make everyone's decision that much easier)
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May 29, 2019, 01:11:11 AM

This chart has some great info!


$BTC: Still waiting on that 30%+ pullback?
Bitcoin had eight 30%+ pullbacks last market uptrend but the average time between each pullback was 98 days
BTC had a serious 26.3% pullback on May 17th, which means the next major retrace could be a couple months away



https://twitter.com/Josh_Rager/status/1133371092175863808

It had that pullback on bitstamp only.   all the other exchanges were between 16 - 19%  average of 17.5%

It only went that low on bitstamp because of the 4000 sell wall.

It's going to dump slow but steady soon ending at $2500 before the year is out imho.

I hope you didn't mortgage your home to fund your short position.   There are way too many homeless folks already. 
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May 29, 2019, 01:41:53 AM

This chart has some great info!


$BTC: Still waiting on that 30%+ pullback?
Bitcoin had eight 30%+ pullbacks last market uptrend but the average time between each pullback was 98 days
BTC had a serious 26.3% pullback on May 17th, which means the next major retrace could be a couple months away



https://twitter.com/Josh_Rager/status/1133371092175863808

It had that pullback on bitstamp only.   all the other exchanges were between 16 - 19%  average of 17.5%

It only went that low on bitstamp because of the 4000 sell wall.

It's going to dump slow but steady soon ending at $2500 before the year is out imho.

I hope you didn't mortgage your home to fund your short position.   There are way too many homeless folks already. 

my home is quite safe. 

and I don't think it's people going short that need to worry.
https://blockchainwhispers.com/bitmex-position-calculator/
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But it's being bandied around by all the usual shillspects on twitter recently.. perhaps in advance of the SV Shindig.

I have been meaning to answer back your responce to me... but busy.. life... etc.

That said, without going "Aussie man bad" do you not think that warning/threat is

1.  Horrible.  Horrible. Horrible.  Bad game theory.  Does decades of damage to the entire sector.  Undermines the legitimacy of the Bitcoin and the entire crypto sector.  Shows that it's all being controlled by a madman etc.

2.  The most un-Satoshi like thing possible considering his writings that we have.  

So we have evil, out of character, and possibly all a lie.  Right?

Well....

1) I dunno. The pervasive narrative in this here space is that everything out of Craig's mouth is either: a lie, or; simply wrong. As such, how could anything he say undermine the legitimacy of the sector?
This is not an argument.  Well it's a circular one.  Do not use the reverse of something I did not say to refute what I said.  Let us assume he has access to original blocks in the "tulip trust" and plans to sell them.  How is this not going to ruin the legitimacy of Bitcoin probably forever.  Let's say he sells every last one of his millions of bitcoins and buys every last one of the BSV coins with the proceeds.  Bitcoin will crash, as will all the alts.  BSV will skyrocket, and then the entire world will see that the "new money system" was invented by a megalomaniac willing to ruin lives and destroy fortunes.  Trust in BSV will be virtually nill. Central banks will create a competing, and equally centralized coin and the world will flock to the devil the know and away from the devil they do not know.  They will be HONEST in their creation of a centralized system (let's not kid ourselves BSV with a single actor holding probably 25% of the coins after the sale of BTC and purchase of BSV, running on a network designed to centralized will be... ta da... a centralized system) and their centralized system will use good centralized databases and will have no need to provide security through POW.


OTOH, if he has the capability to carry out such a threat, how would his huge advance warning not be a good thing?

If I planned to release a doomsday virus onto a continent and gave them a year and a half notice... And then shrugged my shoulders pointing to a 4chan post as that continent was ravaged by that virus, would I have not acted as a saint?  C'mon. Another non argument.  Warnings are nice.  What he says he would DO is terrible.



2) I dunno again. Before vanishing, Satoshi revealed very little of his personal proclivities. I see no evidence therein to support the notion that he might not use his substantial war chest in order to tilt the market in favor of what he perceives as the more faithful rendition of his ideals. What exactly am I missing in his writings?

His posts on this forum reveal so much about his character.  He certainly did not see bitcoin as the panopticon for the State that Wright is trying to sell. By the way he is not trying to sell it to those of us with a brain because we are too smart to buy that shit.  He is trying to sell it to his armies of <=100 IQ shills looking for their daddy and too dumb to realize that the mantra of "do you own research" is a hand wave trick to make them assume that they might be able to piggy back on something they are probably too dumb to see on their own.  But MUCH more than them he is trying to sell it to the CENTRAL FUCKING BANKS.  He wants the state and those the state is owned by to pick this thing up.  All the while making the argument that this is what blockstream is doing.  "Everything on the blockchain".  Law!  Transparency!  Privacy is for criminals!

You are a smart guy.  You have designed hardware storage controllers.  How on earth do you not see the amazing bullshit happening right before your eyes???

And FWIW My bet is he is clearly full of shit.  But he and Calvin are actually pretty good at engineering this bullshit.  At the very least they will make some BTC fleecing the idiots.

(See I am willing to argue back... I just need the time)
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May 29, 2019, 01:55:04 AM

This chart has some great info!


$BTC: Still waiting on that 30%+ pullback?
Bitcoin had eight 30%+ pullbacks last market uptrend but the average time between each pullback was 98 days
BTC had a serious 26.3% pullback on May 17th, which means the next major retrace could be a couple months away



https://twitter.com/Josh_Rager/status/1133371092175863808

It had that pullback on bitstamp only.   all the other exchanges were between 16 - 19%  average of 17.5%

It only went that low on bitstamp because of the 4000 sell wall.

It's going to dump slow but steady soon ending at $2500 before the year is out imho.

I hope you didn't mortgage your home to fund your short position.   There are way too many homeless folks already. 

my home is quite safe. 

and I don't think it's people going short that need to worry.
https://blockchainwhispers.com/bitmex-position-calculator/

Not sure where they source their data from but bitfinex has BTC32.200 over $280MM shorted
https://www.bitfinex.com/stats
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May 29, 2019, 02:14:23 AM

This chart has some great info!


$BTC: Still waiting on that 30%+ pullback?
Bitcoin had eight 30%+ pullbacks last market uptrend but the average time between each pullback was 98 days
BTC had a serious 26.3% pullback on May 17th, which means the next major retrace could be a couple months away



https://twitter.com/Josh_Rager/status/1133371092175863808

It had that pullback on bitstamp only.   all the other exchanges were between 16 - 19%  average of 17.5%

It only went that low on bitstamp because of the 4000 sell wall.

It's going to dump slow but steady soon ending at $2500 before the year is out imho.

I hope you didn't mortgage your home to fund your short position.   There are way too many homeless folks already.  

my home is quite safe.  

and I don't think it's people going short that need to worry.
https://blockchainwhispers.com/bitmex-position-calculator/

Not sure where they source their data from but bitfinex has BTC32.200 over $280MM shorted
https://www.bitfinex.com/stats



it's from the BFX api, same as this site
https://datamish.com/d/000000004/btcusd?refresh=20s&orgId=1


the stats page on bitfinex doesn't seem to update, not sure if it's hourly, daily, weekly but the API is live afaik.
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It's going to dump slow but steady soon ending at $2500 before the year is out imho.

dude

you are seriously bumming me out man
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This chart has some great info!


$BTC: Still waiting on that 30%+ pullback?
Bitcoin had eight 30%+ pullbacks last market uptrend but the average time between each pullback was 98 days
BTC had a serious 26.3% pullback on May 17th, which means the next major retrace could be a couple months away



https://twitter.com/Josh_Rager/status/1133371092175863808

It had that pullback on bitstamp only.   all the other exchanges were between 16 - 19%  average of 17.5%

It only went that low on bitstamp because of the 4000 sell wall.

It's going to dump slow but steady soon ending at $2500 before the year is out imho.

I hope you didn't mortgage your home to fund your short position.   There are way too many homeless folks already. 

my home is quite safe. 

and I don't think it's people going short that need to worry.
https://blockchainwhispers.com/bitmex-position-calculator/

Since you are predicting a price of $2500 ... you need to worry a lot.   It seems you are not even close to understanding how Bitcoin works.    You are basically predicting and counting on a total failure of the bitcoin network. 
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This chart has some great info!


$BTC: Still waiting on that 30%+ pullback?
Bitcoin had eight 30%+ pullbacks last market uptrend but the average time between each pullback was 98 days
BTC had a serious 26.3% pullback on May 17th, which means the next major retrace could be a couple months away



https://twitter.com/Josh_Rager/status/1133371092175863808

It had that pullback on bitstamp only.   all the other exchanges were between 16 - 19%  average of 17.5%

It only went that low on bitstamp because of the 4000 sell wall.

It's going to dump slow but steady soon ending at $2500 before the year is out imho.

I hope you didn't mortgage your home to fund your short position.   There are way too many homeless folks already.  

my home is quite safe.  

and I don't think it's people going short that need to worry.
https://blockchainwhispers.com/bitmex-position-calculator/

Not sure where they source their data from but bitfinex has BTC32.200 over $280MM shorted
https://www.bitfinex.com/stats



it's from the BFX api, same as this site
https://datamish.com/d/000000004/btcusd?refresh=20s&orgId=1


the stats page on bitfinex doesn't seem to update, not sure if it's hourly, daily, weekly but the API is live afaik.

Umm try again, sorry to bust your "bear data source" which inflates longs and deflates shorts
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Rates on Margin Funding

Average rates of the open funding (positions) as of May 29, 2019 - 02:34:49 AM UTC.
Currency    Flash Return Rate    Total sum of active funding    Total amount used in margin positions
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BTC    0.0107%    33,873.90    32,230.27

From https://www.bitfinex.com/stats
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This chart has some great info!


$BTC: Still waiting on that 30%+ pullback?
Bitcoin had eight 30%+ pullbacks last market uptrend but the average time between each pullback was 98 days
BTC had a serious 26.3% pullback on May 17th, which means the next major retrace could be a couple months away



https://twitter.com/Josh_Rager/status/1133371092175863808

It had that pullback on bitstamp only.   all the other exchanges were between 16 - 19%  average of 17.5%

It only went that low on bitstamp because of the 4000 sell wall.

It's going to dump slow but steady soon ending at $2500 before the year is out imho.

I hope you didn't mortgage your home to fund your short position.   There are way too many homeless folks already. 

my home is quite safe. 

and I don't think it's people going short that need to worry.
https://blockchainwhispers.com/bitmex-position-calculator/

Since you are predicting a price of $2500 ... you need to worry a lot.   It seems you are not even close to understanding how Bitcoin works.    You are basically predicting and counting on a total failure of the bitcoin network. 

like it has for long periods before you mean?  Like when miners mined at a loss? like when they had to folk it to reduce the sha256 hash power so that the price could keep up with the profit curve, with countless forks thereafter.   Like when they have to hire an army of bull trolls to maintain the bull phase .  Like when they have to DDOS multiple sites, log multiple people out of trading accounts during breakouts to make it work?  or are you discussing something different? 
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But it's being bandied around by all the usual shillspects on twitter recently.. perhaps in advance of the SV Shindig.

I have been meaning to answer back your responce to me... but busy.. life... etc.

That said, without going "Aussie man bad" do you not think that warning/threat is

1.  Horrible.  Horrible. Horrible.  Bad game theory.  Does decades of damage to the entire sector.  Undermines the legitimacy of the Bitcoin and the entire crypto sector.  Shows that it's all being controlled by a madman etc.

2.  The most un-Satoshi like thing possible considering his writings that we have.  

So we have evil, out of character, and possibly all a lie.  Right?

Well....

1) I dunno. The pervasive narrative in this here space is that everything out of Craig's mouth is either: a lie, or; simply wrong. As such, how could anything he say undermine the legitimacy of the sector?
This is not an argument.  Well it's a circular one.  Do not use the reverse of something I did not say to refute what I said.  

Well, what you said was "...do you not think that warning/threat is 1.  Horrible.  Horrible. Horrible.  ..." Your words there refer not to the potential action to which the warning/threat refers, but to the warning/threat itself. If you meant otherwise (which is apparent in the next bit of your reply), perhaps you should have indicated so.

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Let us assume he has access to original blocks in the "tulip trust" and plans to sell them.  How is this not going to ruin the legitimacy of Bitcoin probably forever.  

I don't see why it would.

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Let's say he sells every last one of his millions of bitcoins and buys every last one of the BSV coins with the proceeds.  Bitcoin will crash, as will all the alts.  

Well, BTC would likely be negatively impacted, true. Not devastatingly to start with, as best estimates of Satoshi's stash seem to be in 1-1.5M range. That's well under 10% of the supply. There'd be a big drop, followed by dry powder taking advantage of the fire sale. But the real damage would come later, as more and more people are likely to start to believe that maybe -- just maybe -- he might be Satoshi after all. Blockstream/Core's ... curated ... narrative would be called into question for the first time in the minds of the many.

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BSV will skyrocket, and then the entire world will see that the "new money system" was invented by a megalomaniac willing to ruin lives and destroy fortunes.

I see several issues with the above. Firstly, this proposition -- that BTC is an impostor -- has been trumpeted loud and long. Never mind that precious few have heard the message. Everyone has been exposed to it. Should this be the case (mind you, this entire discussion is hypothetical), rational people would realize they've been hoodwinked into the BTC narrative, and move on with the revealed reality.

Next, it would demonstrate conclusively that Bitcoin is indeed permissionless, and an asset class of huge importance.

It would show the world that Bitcoin is meritocratic, and that fortune in this system only follows those who make the correct decisions.

No, I think that the system's creator going to extraordinary measure to ensure the system's restored dominance is proper, and would ultimately be viewed as such.

Of course, most here would be happy to otherwise ruin CSW's life and destroy his fortune. What's good for the goose...

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Trust in BSV will be virtually nill.

I think you're delusional. Care to support your assertion by any reasoning from principles?

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Central banks will create a competing, and equally centralized coin and the world will flock to the devil the know and away from the devil they do not know.  

How does the CSW doomsday scenario change this outcome in any way? It does not. If CBs are to create a centralized competitor to Bitcoin, they're going to do it. The masses either will or will not flock to it. Whether BTC or SV, the scenario is unchanged.

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OTOH, if he has the capability to carry out such a threat, how would his huge advance warning not be a good thing?

If I planned to release a doomsday virus onto a continent and gave them a year and a half notice... And then shrugged my shoulders pointing to a 4chan post as that continent was ravaged by that virus, would I have not acted as a saint?  C'mon. Another non argument.  Warnings are nice.  What he says he would DO is terrible.

I see again that you thought you wrote something other than what you actually did write. Nevertheless, you think him using his funds to accomplish his goals in a fully legal manner is somehow "terrible"? Are we not all free to use whichever resources we have legitimate ownership of to affect any outcome we may desire, as long as the rights (note 'rights') of others are not violated?

No, you don't have a right to be protected from the consequences of your stupid investment decisions.

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2) I dunno again. Before vanishing, Satoshi revealed very little of his personal proclivities. I see no evidence therein to support the notion that he might not use his substantial war chest in order to tilt the market in favor of what he perceives as the more faithful rendition of his ideals. What exactly am I missing in his writings?

His posts on this forum reveal so much about his character.  He certainly did not see bitcoin as the panopticon for the State that Wright is trying to sell.

Again, you are bypassing what you wrote, and substituting something else of novel construction. Nevertheless, what panopticon are you speaking of? CSW talks about traceability and the difference between anonymous and private, this is true. However, he is not seeking changes to the system in order to give additional tools to law enforcement. He is merely pointing out the already existing characteristics of Bitcoin - whether SV or BTC. For you to put your fingers in your figurative ears and chant "muh anonymity" to avoid hearing the reality does not change it one whit.

And seeing as you merely sidestepped the question, I will ask again: I see no evidence therein to support the notion that he might not use his substantial war chest in order to tilt the market in favor of what he perceives as the more faithful rendition of his ideals. What exactly am I missing in his writings?

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But MUCH more than them he is trying to sell it to the CENTRAL FUCKING BANKS.  

I thought our collective thesis included the proposition that Bitcoin is a superior money? If it is, then of course central banks will end up using it. The only way that they would not in the end game get involved in Bitcoin is if it is an inferior form of money. The sooner we get to such a condition is that much less time idiots like Rep Sherman have to try to pull it down.

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And FWIW My bet is he is clearly full of shit.  

He may well be (though my bet is hedged). But this entire sidebar started with the hypothetical that he would be able to carry out the implied and expressed action.
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6-If this would to happen, BTC would just fork, adjusting difficulty and freezing his coins (you gotta be pretty retarded to think that people who believe in BTC would just give up and switch to BSV to blindly follow the leader "Satoshi"). This is bitcoin, we trust in math not in deities.

Let me see if I have this correct. You think that, should Satoshi start cashing in some amount of his Bitcoins, that the community should fork to deny Satoshi the fruit of his labor?

Divorce the question from whether or not CSW has any relation to Satoshi - that's irrelevant. But I really want to know if you think such an action by the community is warranted.

You took the quote out of context, but let me see if i can spell this out for you "cashing in some amount" is different from crashing the price and then 51% attacking it to destroy the network. Did you watch the video at all? BTC is not a cult and has grown beyond Satoshi. If any entity attempts to destroy BTC, an appropriate action must be taken, even if that entity is "Satoshi". Personally i can live with the idea of Satoshi gone cuckoo or that he wasn't a perfect person (sold guns drugs etc...)

Now to answer your question as phrased, personally i don't have an issue with Satoshi responsibly cashing out and even endorsing BSV (I support ideas not people). But as i previously wrote on this topic, realistically speaking, it'll be very hard for someone to conclusive prove that they're Satoshi. Especially in case of CSW, who couldn't have distanced himself further from Satoshi if he tried. So if CSW has private keys, we would most definitely fork, and then market would decide (but if he kills off one fork [to force people to follow his new chain] he'd make everyone's decision that much easier)

We all knew what we were getting into with bitcoin. Satoshi could come back at any time and dump his entire stash. Most of us have made a calculated bet that this won't happen.

Forking away is not an option. We'd be no better than the cult of Vitalik forking away after getting butthurt about the DAO "hack".
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