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Question: 9/19 Closing Price:
0 - 1 (1.6%)
<$10,000 - 3 (4.8%)
$10,000-$10,500 - 2 (3.2%)
$10,501-$11,000 - 13 (20.6%)
$11,001-$11,500 - 19 (30.2%)
$11,501-$12,000 - 8 (12.7%)
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>$13,000 - 3 (4.8%)
>$20,000 - 5 (7.9%)
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August 28, 2019, 03:58:04 PM

Bars or ingots may contain tungsten, the density of tungsten similar to gold.

Harder to fake silver because molybdenum is used and it's not as close to silver as tungsten is to gold.  Even still, in ultrasonic testing sound waves pass through tungsten almost twice as fast as through gold, so it totally gives it away. There's just a million different ways to test metals now where it's pretty difficult to be fooled if your operating budget is high enough to keep the lights turned on because you'd be able to afford testing equipment.  

Having said that, 1 oz coins (or lower) are by far the easiest to test, so in any metals remonetization, virtually nobody is going to be paying anyone with kilo bars or anything like that besides central bankers storing various bricks.  I think just about all the metals would wind up being melted for small denomination coinage as they should be.  In the old days I think the US govt actually did it for free if you brought your bullion to them.
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August 28, 2019, 04:02:38 PM
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https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-fixes-this-thousands-of-fake-gold-bars-dilute-market-supply
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As Reuters reported on Aug. 28, the gold industry is currently facing a forgery crisis — with fake kilogram bars found in the vaults of major banks such as JPMorgan Chase.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-gold-swiss-fakes-exclusive/exclusive-fake-branded-bars-slip-dirty-gold-into-world-markets-idUSKCN1VI0DD


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The gold is real, and very high purity, with only the markings faked. Fake-branded bars are a relatively new way to flout global measures to block conflict minerals and prevent money-laundering.


https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-fixes-this-thousands-of-fake-gold-bars-dilute-market-supply
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As Reuters reported on Aug. 28, the gold industry is currently facing a forgery crisis — with fake kilogram bars found in the vaults of major banks such as JPMorgan Chase.

Hope they are good at acting surprised Wink

Note: The "fake" bars are real gold, however they have fake stamps for provenance.

So the gold people have the equal of monero. :-)

Woops, you beat me to it. Smiley

Bars or ingots may contain tungsten, the density of tungsten similar to gold.

Ingot tests containing tunsgten obtain a purity of 99.9xx% ...

The problem now is the cost of re-verifying the supply chain.

Here they talk a little about this: > https://twitter.com/nic__carter/status/1166716515082756096

LBMA http://www.lbma.org.uk/assets/market/gdl/GD_Rules_16_July_FINAL_20190722.pdf

A if any forgery then most likely "in house".
B we are not in dark ages anymore to relay on scales to check purity of gold. Anyone dealing with a kilo gold bar will check for imperfection in a scan.
On smaller lots get a magnet, tungsten is more magnetic, other than that a serious wack with a centre punch will sort it in no time. (want change the weight) A long long time i sold 95% of gold holding, selling the first piece almost ripped the heart out.
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August 28, 2019, 04:05:56 PM

Bitcoin can't be faked, I'm fine with this. Wink
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August 28, 2019, 04:08:49 PM

Every once in awhile I like to look at old bitcoin purchases.....

In March 2014 I bought a Wii U for 1btc.

I'm looking at it now. See how stupid I was?

HODL

Recently sold a DSLR for £500, which was bought for ~£320,000.

Seemed like a good idea at the time.
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August 28, 2019, 04:12:48 PM
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Bitcoin can't be faked, I'm fine with this. Wink

Of course Bitcoin can be faked.  PoW does nothing to solve rough consensus attack.  You can have forks where there's no real 'winner' fork and the so-called minority fork doesn't die which seems to have already happened a few times.  It was thought they would need to have different algos for that to occur so the fact it can happen with the same algo is hilarious and just shows you how wrong most assumptions about Bitcoin are. 

'Forking' is not supposed to be some type of pre-planned, conspiracy process decided upon years in advance by people sitting in offices in New York either.  It's supposed to be a much more on the fly, continuous voting process that can spontaneously happen at any second, so having chains that don't die with the same algo is kind of a problem.  Then you have the fact Bitcoin is required to do things like fork everything to be quantum secure, and all those options are completely arbitrary, so there is no 'real' and 'fake' bitcoin at all because who decides in a scheme not governed by longest chain?  They're basically all fake and arbitrary in that context.  Then there's the good old 51% attack, and...why bother.
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August 28, 2019, 04:15:21 PM

Bitcoin can't be faked, I'm fine with this. Wink

if it's in coinbase(or any other third party app) it will be!!  Cool  ~n00bs will get rekt.
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August 28, 2019, 04:16:15 PM

Oh wow.  I stand corrected.

Have never heard of a loss carry back.  

Thank you - you taught me something today.

I withdraw my prior comments.

Your welcome my very gracious friend.  Smiley I learned more than I wanted about the insanely complex tax code as an entrepreneur.

as stated before, my primary objection to the whole goddamned thing
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August 28, 2019, 04:26:56 PM

Bitcoin can't be faked, I'm fine with this. Wink

But there are some fake coins with bitcoin name on it.

- Bitcoin gold
 
- Bitcoin cash

- Bitcoin Diamond

- Bitcoin SV

- Lightning Bitcoin

Still there are some people who can't differentiate bitcoin from these shitcoins.
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August 28, 2019, 04:30:37 PM

Exactly.

BTCitcoin there is only one.
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August 28, 2019, 04:31:02 PM
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WOgame. Right now. Where am I?



If you don't get it post haste, I'll add pixels.
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August 28, 2019, 04:35:25 PM

Still there are some people who can't differentiate bitcoin from these shitcoins.

Quantify the difference in the word "Bitcoin" and "Shitcoin".  There is none.  Everything about Bitcoin is arbitrary.  Everything about 'shitcoin' is arbitrary.  It was a bogus propaganda word invented by people like Luke Jr to try and hide the fact digital craptocurrencies have no valid Schelling point.  You can't create a new noble metal like gold or silver in your basement, but anyone can create a new, imaginary, digital scamtoken.  None of them act as a valid focal point since they're all just arbitrary, Rube Goldberg machines.  He'll probably flip over some strange Catholic bible passage someday making him realize he was worshipping false idols instead of using 'God's money' - physical metals.
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Oh wow.  I stand corrected.

Have never heard of a loss carry back.  

Thank you - you taught me something today.

I withdraw my prior comments.

Your welcome my very gracious friend.  Smiley I learned more than I wanted about the insanely complex tax code as an entrepreneur.

as stated before, my primary objection to the whole goddamned thing



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If you don't get it post haste, I'll add pixels.

Say hello to Andreas from the Wall.
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August 28, 2019, 04:48:20 PM

WOgame. Right now. Where am I?



If you don't get it post haste, I'll add pixels.
Toxic2040 beat me to it, but it indeed looks like the forehead of Andreas M. Antonopoulos. Is it #BTC2019 in Denver?
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What if I told you Greeks are really turkroaches.  What if I told you Jews are a central/eastern Europe, Turkic-Khazarian people.  What if I told you Andreas Antonopolous looks nothing like Zeus at all.
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August 28, 2019, 04:50:32 PM

Good evening WO!
Observing @ $10,230
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Say hello to Andreas from the Wall.
Yap it's Andreas
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August 28, 2019, 04:52:27 PM

Customers Can Deposit Bitcoin to Bakkt’s Warehouse Starting Next Week

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Bakkt will open its warehouse to customers’ bitcoin on Sept. 6 in anticipation of its impending futures contract offerings, the company announced Wednesday.

In a tweet, the Intercontinental Exchange-backed bitcoin futures provider said it would begin offering customers secure storage for bitcoin “to prepare for the launch” of its daily and monthly futures contracts on Sept. 23.

https://www.coindesk.com/customers-can-deposit-bitcoin-to-bakkts-warehouse-starting-next-week
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August 28, 2019, 04:52:39 PM

Bitcoin can't be faked, I'm fine with this. Wink

But there are some fake coins with bitcoin name on it.

- Bitcoin gold
 
- Bitcoin cash

- Bitcoin Diamond

- Bitcoin SV

- Lightning Bitcoin

Still there are some people who can't differentiate bitcoin from these shitcoins.
Among all of them Bitcoin cash is the most shitest one which is harming us the most.
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I did a google image search and this is what I found 🤪
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August 28, 2019, 04:58:04 PM

Bitcoin can't be faked, I'm fine with this. Wink

But there are some fake coins with bitcoin name on it.

- Bitcoin gold
 
- Bitcoin cash

- Bitcoin Diamond

- Bitcoin SV

- Lightning Bitcoin

Still there are some people who can't differentiate bitcoin from these shitcoins.

I also remember getting rid of:
Bitcoin Pizza
Bitcoin Gold
Bitcoin World
Bitcoin God (one of the most incredible sells, yet irrelevant)
Bitcoin Unlimited (openly  a scam and a privacy attack by government like agency led by Jeff Garkzy.

I still own Bitcoin Private because I am stupid.
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