Bitcoin Forum
April 17, 2024, 10:05:43 PM *
News: Latest Bitcoin Core release: 26.0 [Torrent]
 
   Home   Help Search Login Register More  
Poll
Question: What happens first:
New ATH - 43 (69.4%)
<$60,000 - 19 (30.6%)
Total Voters: 62

Pages: « 1 ... 24655 24656 24657 24658 24659 24660 24661 24662 24663 24664 24665 24666 24667 24668 24669 24670 24671 24672 24673 24674 24675 24676 24677 24678 24679 24680 24681 24682 24683 24684 24685 24686 24687 24688 24689 24690 24691 24692 24693 24694 24695 24696 24697 24698 24699 24700 24701 24702 24703 24704 [24705] 24706 24707 24708 24709 24710 24711 24712 24713 24714 24715 24716 24717 24718 24719 24720 24721 24722 24723 24724 24725 24726 24727 24728 24729 24730 24731 24732 24733 24734 24735 24736 24737 24738 24739 24740 24741 24742 24743 24744 24745 24746 24747 24748 24749 24750 24751 24752 24753 24754 24755 ... 33273 »
  Print  
Author Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion  (Read 26363212 times)
This is a self-moderated topic. If you do not want to be moderated by the person who started this topic, create a new topic. (174 posts by 3 users with 9 merit deleted.)
Gahs
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 294
Merit: 250


Minter


View Profile
September 09, 2019, 04:15:25 PM

The Bakkt Warehouse is active for futures

Bitcoin deposited at our Warehouse is protected by a $125 million insurance policy

https://twitter.com/bakkt/status/1171040208105758720?s=21

I fear BTC price will tumble significantly when Bakkt swings full gear.
At least that's what happened back in 2017 when CBOE & CME launched futures trading.
1713391543
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1713391543

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1713391543
Reply with quote  #2

1713391543
Report to moderator
1713391543
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1713391543

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1713391543
Reply with quote  #2

1713391543
Report to moderator
1713391543
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1713391543

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1713391543
Reply with quote  #2

1713391543
Report to moderator
According to NIST and ECRYPT II, the cryptographic algorithms used in Bitcoin are expected to be strong until at least 2030. (After that, it will not be too difficult to transition to different algorithms.)
Advertised sites are not endorsed by the Bitcoin Forum. They may be unsafe, untrustworthy, or illegal in your jurisdiction.
1713391543
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1713391543

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1713391543
Reply with quote  #2

1713391543
Report to moderator
1713391543
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1713391543

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1713391543
Reply with quote  #2

1713391543
Report to moderator
1713391543
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 1713391543

View Profile Personal Message (Offline)

Ignore
1713391543
Reply with quote  #2

1713391543
Report to moderator
fillippone
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2142
Merit: 15335


Fully fledged Merit Cycler - Golden Feather 22-23


View Profile WWW
September 09, 2019, 04:22:02 PM
Merited by JayJuanGee (1)

Brace Yourself: Institutional Investors are coming:
 Bitcoin Futures Trading on CME Hints at Influx of Institutional Money


Quote
During the month of August, over $5 billion worth of Bitcoin futures contracts have been traded on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange. With each contract representing the right but not the obligation to purchase 5 BTC at a given price, over 100,000 futures contracts were traded on the platform.

The year-to-date numbers are apparently even more impressive. CME managing director Tim McCourt told Forbes contributor Benjamin Pirus that so far this year, Bitcoin futures are averaging more than 7,000 contracts per day on the platform.

This is meaningful because retail investors don’t have easy access to CME futures trading, so this growth doesn’t represent the participation of the average crypto user. Most futures trading on the CME platform comes from institutional investors and wealthy accredited investors, audiences that Bitcoiners have long been trying to win over.

Another two news are worth noting today on the same topic:

https://www.coindesk.com/uk-fund-that-aims-to-capitalize-on-crypto-volatity-raises-50-million


Quote
U.K.-licensed Nickel Asset Management says it has raised $50 million for a fund aimed to make profits off the volatility of cryptocurrencies.

Quote
“Our vision is that it’s simply a matter of time until digital assets become part of institutional portfolio allocation for forward-looking investors around the world, and we aim to build an institutional-quality gateway to this high-octane world of digital assets.”


Quote
The Bakkt Warehouse is active for futures

Bitcoin deposited at our Warehouse is protected by a $125 million insurance policy
https://twitter.com/Bakkt/status/1171040208105758720


These are two very important news: Ecosystem for institutional investor is slowly being built up.

It's very different from 2016, when CME futures gave the easy way to short the BITCOIN.
Now that selling pressure is already discounted on the market: the buying pressure on the market because of QE, Negative Rates, Geopolitical Risks, Inflation risks, Halving etc... is instead looming on the side, just waiting for the doors to open.

lightfoot
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 3080
Merit: 2228


I fix broken miners. And make holes in teeth :-)


View Profile
September 09, 2019, 04:39:15 PM

#Gold made sense when transactions were physical interactions, but our digital world demands a form of digital gold. #DropGold

https://dropgold.com/drop-gold/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=2019_q3_MS

Do you have any idea what a pain in the ass it is to get rid of gold?
gentlemand
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2590
Merit: 3008


Welt Am Draht


View Profile
September 09, 2019, 04:41:34 PM

A good opsec security is just a part of the equation trying to avoiding crimes involving crypto’s happens to you:
Quote
Norwegian bitcoin millionaire jumped down 2 stories from his balcony after man with shotgun broke in to his house. This is why you never tell anyone you own BTC

https://twitter.com/redditbtc/status/1170809574607249409?s=21

This is my suggestion.
Fillippone, your fellow Mexican WO pal.
Going to a trekking in Yucatàn trying to forget the fact I just lost my private keys in a boating accident!


EDIT: for the few of you who do not speak norvegian:
https://cointelegraph.com/news/norweigan-bitcoin-millionaire-jumps-from-balcony-to-flee-armed-burglar



Nothing to do with Opsec. The guy is in Norway. In Norway everyone can see each others' salaries and tax payments. All the would be thief had to do was look up crypto companies and see how much money they were reporting.

Utterly barking.
bkbirge
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 1197
Merit: 482



View Profile
September 09, 2019, 04:45:31 PM

#Gold made sense when transactions were physical interactions, but our digital world demands a form of digital gold. #DropGold

https://dropgold.com/drop-gold/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=2019_q3_MS

Do you have any idea what a pain in the ass it is to get rid of gold?

Just leave it on the curb, I'll come by for pickup after work.
lightfoot
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 3080
Merit: 2228


I fix broken miners. And make holes in teeth :-)


View Profile
September 09, 2019, 05:00:31 PM
Merited by bkbirge (1)

#Gold made sense when transactions were physical interactions, but our digital world demands a form of digital gold. #DropGold

https://dropgold.com/drop-gold/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=2019_q3_MS

Do you have any idea what a pain in the ass it is to get rid of gold?

Just leave it on the curb, I'll come by for pickup after work.
Sure. Just send me the spot value in bitcoin and I will do. Not a problem at all, PM me for the bitcoin address.

Hell, pay for shipping and I'll chuck it in a box for you.
El duderino_
Legendary
*
Online Online

Activity: 2492
Merit: 11931


BTC + Crossfit, living life.


View Profile
September 09, 2019, 05:08:51 PM

LoL, OT but I do see Some humor here  Roll Eyes

Quote
El duderino_
Legendary
*
Online Online

Activity: 2492
Merit: 11931


BTC + Crossfit, living life.


View Profile
September 09, 2019, 05:11:09 PM

Indeed what an individual(s) Satoshi is!!!!

Not likely there would be more like this....

Quote

Satoshi wanted to signal to everyone that Bitcoin wasn’t a scam:

- No premine
- 2 months heads up before launching the network
- Coins had no value for 1.5 years so circulated freely (not replicable)
- Unlike every other founder in history, Satoshi never cashed out

https://twitter.com/danheld/status/1171060693094797312?s=21
mindrust
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 3234
Merit: 2404



View Profile
September 09, 2019, 05:23:05 PM

So you think Bitcoin is not known in #Turkey. Check this and see the whole video on our youtube channel 🔥🚀🔥 https://youtu.be/kApH8rxSNyk #bitcoin #thebitcoinfamily #sharingiscaring

https://twitter.com/Diditaihuttu/status/1170656160061558784?s=20



The street you see in the video, I used to drink, play guitar at the bars for beer money when I was younger. It is basically where the youth live or I should say, it used to. (they still do, but It is not as great) Now it is a damn refugee camp.

Even though I still live very near, I didn't set my foot there in the last 2 years probably. That Syria stuff fucked everything up here.

The Dutch guy's flat has a nice Bosphorus view though. Cool.
rebal15
Jr. Member
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 527
Merit: 6


View Profile
September 09, 2019, 05:26:31 PM

Indeed what an individual(s) Satoshi is!!!!

Not likely there would be more like this....

Quote

Satoshi wanted to signal to everyone that Bitcoin wasn’t a scam:

- No premine
- 2 months heads up before launching the network
- Coins had no value for 1.5 years so circulated freely (not replicable)
- Unlike every other founder in history, Satoshi never cashed out

https://twitter.com/danheld/status/1171060693094797312?s=21
Satoshi never cashed out.
Danhel knows who Satoshi is. Dan has financial information about Satoshi.
El duderino_
Legendary
*
Online Online

Activity: 2492
Merit: 11931


BTC + Crossfit, living life.


View Profile
September 09, 2019, 05:27:36 PM

Bitcoin is going to start getting gradually treated as a safe haven asset *just in time* for a generational Blow-Off Top in the current monetary system.

7 billion people & their governments chasing true scarcity with infinite monopoly money.

All about real vs. paper assets now.

https://twitter.com/muststopmurad/status/1171110284498542592?s=21
JayJuanGee
Legendary
*
Online Online

Activity: 3696
Merit: 10128


Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"


View Profile
September 09, 2019, 05:37:28 PM
Merited by mindrust (5), ssmc2 (5), suchmoon (4), vapourminer (3), DaRude (3), fillippone (3), LoyceV (2), El duderino_ (2), LFC_Bitcoin (1), 600watt (1), serveria.com (1), JSRAW (1), Phil_S (1), ivomm (1), Wilhelm (1), Icygreen (1), bkbirge (1), SuperTA (1)

Haven't really made my mind about it but for now I am planning to dump %15-20 of my stash for every $10k increment starting from $50k and make the final blow at $100k.


I think that you are: 1) valuing your wealth too much in dollars, 2) attempting to time the BTC price movement too much, which is a) failing to account for the possibility of BTC prices going above $100k and b) not going to be able to profit if BTC prices go above $100k.  Furthermore, if you establish a more sound plan, you will both be able to support the bitcoin infrastructure more and possibly even personally profit more, too.  

O.k.  I do not mean this as any kind of hostile message.  Instead, I intend to be a friendly collaborator to outline a possible better approach and way of thinking about cashing out during such uncertain BTC price dynamic times.

Accordingly, I suggest that you tweak your plan a little bit in order that you are not engaging in as much all or nothing kind of thinking and you strive to always keep some stash in bitcoin.  Of course, do whatever the fuck you like, it is your life... hahahhahahaha  This is not financial advice...hahahahahaha... even though it is.   Wink

Anyhow, instead of calculating dumping 15% to 20% of your stash from the amount of your original stash amount, calculate 15% to 25% from your stash balance as it evolves.  This is not going to cause a whole lot of difference in the amount that you cash out, but it will allow you to meaningfully stay in bitcoin in a variety of circumstances and thus to sufficiently hedge yourself.   Of course, you can tweak the numbers that I have outlined.

In other words, if you sell between 15% to 25% (which  I am going to readjust to 20% for calculation purposes) from the readjusted balance of your stash, you will never run out of bitcoin.  

Also, you are using $10k price increments which has the problem of 1) round numbers and 2) the problem of an amount that is set in terms of dollars which causes a lowering of the percentage each time you execute, so instead of calculating exact dollar increments, maybe you should start out selling BTC at around $47.5k (just in case BTC prices never (or take a long time) end up breaking above $50k), and then use something like 20% increments.  I got this 20% based on your $10k/$50k which is more or less 20% (of course, you can make the percentage lower or higher after you play around with it).

So I am giving a ballpark in which your sell ladder would look something like this:


Sell Price    BTC balance    BTCSell Amt  Pfolio$Value soldValue   soldTotal
$47,478.00   7.00000000      0.00000000   $332,346.00   $0.00           $0.00
$47,478.00   7.00000000      1.40000000   $332,346.00   $66,469.20   $66,469.20
$56,973.60   5.60000000      1.12000000   $319,052.16   $63,810.43   $130,279.63
$68,368.32   4.48000000      0.89600000   $306,290.07   $61,258.01   $191,537.65
$82,041.98   3.58400000      0.71680000   $294,038.47   $58,807.69   $250,345.34
$98,450.38   2.86720000      0.57344000   $282,276.93   $56,455.39   $306,800.73
$118,140.46   2.29376000      0.45875200   $270,985.85   $54,197.17   $360,997.90
$141,768.55   1.83500800      0.36700160   $260,146.42   $52,029.28   $413,027.18
$170,122.26   1.46800640      0.29360128   $249,740.56   $49,948.11   $462,975.29
$204,146.71   1.17440512      0.23488102   $239,750.94   $47,950.19   $510,925.48
$244,976.05   0.93952410      0.18790482   $230,160.90   $46,032.18   $556,957.66
$293,971.26   0.75161928      0.15032386   $220,954.47   $44,190.89   $601,148.56
$352,765.51   0.60129542      0.12025908   $212,116.29   $42,423.26   $643,571.81
$423,318.62   0.48103634      0.09620727   $203,631.64   $40,726.33   $684,298.14
$507,982.34   0.38482907      0.07696581   $195,486.37   $39,097.27   $723,395.42
$609,578.81   0.30786326      0.06157265   $187,666.92   $37,533.38   $760,928.80
As you can see from the chart, you would start out at some number, such as $47,478 and you would have a certain number of BTC that for this example I hypothesize to be 7BTC.   You would sell in 20% price increments 20% of the value of your then holdings.  In this hypothetical the dollar value of your BTC holdings goes down, but it does not go down to zero.  The BTC that you hold go down, too, but of course they are worth more at each upwards price interval.  You will see that over time, that you have an accumulated cashing out value that far exceeds your earlier HOLDing value, especially once the BTC price gets to $100k (assuming it does) but even moreso, if the BTC price were to get to 1/2 a $million... which surely might not happen, but surely it should not hurt too much to prepare for such possibility and even other possibilities that are far beyond our expectations (which we know sometimes happens in bitcoinlandia).

Of course, if you were to create a chart like this with the formulas already contained therein, then you can play around with the increments and the amounts in order to figure out more acceptable ways to achieve all of your goals (of course, provided that BTC's price cooperates).  In my thinking, it might be good to cash out an amount that also allows your BTC $ value to continue to go up no matter what, even if it is just a percentage or two of price appreciation.





Also I'll buy back every piece I dumped if the price goes $10k lower from where I sell the coins.

For example;

Sold %20 @ $50k. Now there are 2  possibilities.

 A) the price goes down for $10k to $40k and I buy back and increase the btc amount,
 B) It goes higher and reaches $60k. Then I'll domp et again another %16-17.

If A) happens in the first round  > back to hodling
If B) happens > again another 2 possibilities A) and B) but this time it's happening @ $60k.

Will probably play that game to maximize the profits till it reaches $100k. Not really decided on anything just thinking. I may completely ignore the "buy back" part too.


Your buy back part sounds reasonable; however, since you seem a little nervous about buying back, based on your last sentence, then maybe you should consider setting your buy back numbers to be quite extremely low, and if the BTC price never goes to such extremely low amounts, then you do not care, you just end up spending the fiat.  And, of course, if the price ends up going to your buy back numbers, then you are happy about that, too because you got a decent bargain in your buy back amount without even having to inject new fiat into your system.
mindrust
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 3234
Merit: 2404



View Profile
September 09, 2019, 05:39:04 PM
Merited by JayJuanGee (1)


wall o text


I don't even need to read this before meriting it. Shut up and take my merits.

Merit first, read later.

edit: The numbers are (almost) matching too.  Grin
LFC_Bitcoin
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 3514
Merit: 9468


#1 VIP Crypto Casino


View Profile
September 09, 2019, 05:49:01 PM

Yeah, that’s a really good post by JJG. Well worth meriting!
JayJuanGee
Legendary
*
Online Online

Activity: 3696
Merit: 10128


Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"


View Profile
September 09, 2019, 06:07:56 PM

Here just got another one: Bitcoin rate is growing. Become a millionaire. Get a passive income of $ 3,500 per day   Cool

 Some people might think:  Oh $3,500 per day, I don't need that much, so even if the amount is only $350 per day, then I am good with that, so there must be some truth, even if the amount is not as much as they say, which filters out smarter peeps and really sucks in the dumbest of the dumbasses who are looking to be scammed.
JayJuanGee
Legendary
*
Online Online

Activity: 3696
Merit: 10128


Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"


View Profile
September 09, 2019, 06:17:56 PM

Haven't really made my mind about it but for now I am planning to dump %15-20 of my stash for every $10k increment starting from $50k and make the final blow at $100k.

Also I'll buy back every piece I dumped if the price goes $10k lower from where I sell the coins.

For example;

Sold %20 @ $50k. Now there are 2  possibilities.

 A) the price goes down for $10k to $40k and I buy back and increase the btc amount,
 B) It goes higher and reaches $60k. Then I'll domp et again another %16-17.

If A) happens in the first round  > back to hodling
If B) happens > again another 2 possibilities A) and B) but this time it's happening @ $60k.

Will probably play that game to maximize the profits till it reaches $100k. Not really decided on anything just thinking. I may completely ignore the "buy back" part too.

I think the trick here is to avoid the unprofitable Scenario 1 and stick to Scenario 2.

Scenario 1:


Scenario 2:


So I'm going to play the "buy back" game only if the price drops significantly, like 75%.

I have done something much closer to scenario 1 in BTC since 2015, and I have done quite well for myself.  Of course, if you look in retrospect, maybe I could have done better with scenario 2, but might also cause me to behave too extremely, too.

I think that jbreher (ignoring, for a moment, his dumbass bcash bullshit) follows a similar type of scenario 1 like system in BTC, which I believe is quite profitable for him, too, in terms of his BTC stash.  Again, who cares about the possibility of any of the application to bcash or the fact that jbreher has likely diverted some or too much value to bcash or the possible application to some other shitcoins, because the application to shit coins is largely irrelevant if not a disaster in the making.
JayJuanGee
Legendary
*
Online Online

Activity: 3696
Merit: 10128


Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"


View Profile
September 09, 2019, 06:19:49 PM



Oh gawd, Roach.  You are devolving into delirium.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
bkbirge
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Activity: 1197
Merit: 482



View Profile
September 09, 2019, 06:36:59 PM

Interesting article, ...
Quote
Central and commercial banks are the top dogs of the world’s largest market by trading volume—the $5-trillion-a-day foreign exchange (FX) market. A closer look at the balance of power in this global industry reveals how banks could manipulate, and even dominate, cryptocurrency in an unregulated market.
...
Through policy, central banks could incentivize their commercial underlings to realize Hal Finney’s “Bitcoin bank,” replicating the fractional-reserve banking system of today using BTC as reserve currency and effectively integrating it into the world of FX.

...
If banks enter the crypto market in force and employ some of the tactics they have evidently used to dominate FX—legitimate or mischievous—heavy implications could be in store for the price discovery of cryptocurrency. Ultimately, both commercial and central banks would profit from placing fiat-style controls over crypto and subjecting the market to the same dynamics at play in FX.
https://cryptoslate.com/will-banks-inevitably-control-the-cryptocurrency-market/
d_eddie
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 2464
Merit: 2883



View Profile
September 09, 2019, 06:41:52 PM

Oh gawd, Roach.  You are devolving into delirium.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Devolving? Revolving.
Last of the V8s
Legendary
*
Offline Offline

Activity: 1652
Merit: 4392


Be a bank


View Profile
September 09, 2019, 07:11:53 PM
Last edit: September 09, 2019, 07:51:47 PM by Last of the V8s

The only sport where I can sit through the whole damn thing.

It is a bit weird that Americans decided to adopt the word "football" for their sport. The foot connecting with the ball is a rarer part of the action.
Yeah I'm just about over that. In Rugby Football, which is a similar sport, it's often the way the players use their feet that marks them out as good players: the jinking run, the sidestep, the shimmy, the line and of course speed of attack; are all [edit:part of rugby] football, without kicking the thing.
Pages: « 1 ... 24655 24656 24657 24658 24659 24660 24661 24662 24663 24664 24665 24666 24667 24668 24669 24670 24671 24672 24673 24674 24675 24676 24677 24678 24679 24680 24681 24682 24683 24684 24685 24686 24687 24688 24689 24690 24691 24692 24693 24694 24695 24696 24697 24698 24699 24700 24701 24702 24703 24704 [24705] 24706 24707 24708 24709 24710 24711 24712 24713 24714 24715 24716 24717 24718 24719 24720 24721 24722 24723 24724 24725 24726 24727 24728 24729 24730 24731 24732 24733 24734 24735 24736 24737 24738 24739 24740 24741 24742 24743 24744 24745 24746 24747 24748 24749 24750 24751 24752 24753 24754 24755 ... 33273 »
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!