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April 28, 2021, 07:42:21 PM
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@infofront: Pick it in terms of defining it, or picking one from a predefined set of (already prepared) polls?

I was buying bitcoins!!

Your timestamp 1619633791
My timastmap 1619633792

Choose the poll... infofront didn’t put any conditions so it’s open for you.

Hmm, i'm still thinking...
No idea  Roll Eyes

If you have a good poll on your mind, i'd let you choose.

Who else owns Bitcoin among your closed one?
1. I’m alone
2. Me and my partner
3. My family and close friends
4. All of my circle owns some

Or

What’s your estimated price to sell your Bitcoins at least 50%
1. Next ATH
2. $100k
3. $250k
4. $500k
Or you going to HODL and die with your bitcoins? Don’t do this please...

Edit:
Or may be more generalized
What’s your estimated price to sell your Bitcoins at least 50%
1. Next ATH
2. $100-$150k
3. $200-$300k
4. $500k+

1-4 does not fully pertain since you don't HAVE to sell, for the umpteenth's time.
You've got a NY Central park facing apartment. When you are going to sell...the likely answer is never..lob it to your descendants.

A much more interesting question, imho is: a price for ATH this cycle and or timing of it:

1. It already happened
2. 75K-90K
3. 91K-150K
4. 151K-250K
5. Above 250K

or

1. It already peaked.
2. It will peak in 2021.
3. It will peak in 2022.
4. it will peak in 2023
5. The 4-year cycle ceases to be (going up or down marginally from here).

js, it is YOUR call
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April 28, 2021, 07:47:29 PM

1-4 does not fully pertain since you don't HAVE to sell, for the umpteenth's time.
You've got a NY Central park facing apartment. When you are going to sell...the likely answer is never..lob it to your descendants.

Trust me I thought of this... Pass it on to your descendants!!!!

In fact that’s one valid option!!!

Btw how much is NY Central park facing apartment? Never thought about it....  2 beds at least? Just to estimate Bitcoin price Smiley
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April 28, 2021, 07:56:19 PM

1-4 does not fully pertain since you don't HAVE to sell, for the umpteenth's time.
You've got a NY Central park facing apartment. When you are going to sell...the likely answer is never..lob it to your descendants.

Trust me I thought of this... Pass it on to your descendants!!!!

In fact that’s one valid option!!!

Btw how much is NY Central park facing apartment? Never thought about it....  2 beds at least? Just to estimate Bitcoin price Smiley

typically, low to mid 8 figures, maybe less if in a highriser, overlooking from a distance.
https://www.zillow.com/new-york-ny/views-overlooking-central-park_att/
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Generated BIP39 Mnemonic 24 words.

I wish to store these words on a 2 of 3 paper backup and hide them.
It seemed a simple task.

So scouring through a book for these 24 words and assigning each a 5 digit code based on page number line number and position of word within the line. Then noting these down pencil on paper and hiding them would probably be meaningless to the finder.
I may just use the 24 words plus 1 method for extra security and commit this to pencil and paper in addition to being in my head.


Bro, dude, ... metal wallet. or engrave in stone. or something along those lines.

Take a look here: https://jlopp.github.io/metal-bitcoin-storage-reviews/

Or DIY it from some stainless steel flat plate. Stamp. Etch. Up to you. I'm going to try etching.



thanks for that, I did look into steel letter sets designed for the job.

Currently pencil on acid free paper. (Whereas in the past it would have been acid on blotting paper)

but not any good in a fire

I thought of etching copper with ferric chloride but steel has a 700F higher melting point and much harder and Ive got lots of scrap pieces lying around.
Maybe weld it face side inwards to shed doors to hide content.
project for a wet day.

To lose bitcoin when it was $300 would have caused sickness in pit of stomach.
But at current prices, the stuff of heart attacks.




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April 28, 2021, 08:21:10 PM

Pump&Dump
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up... down... rich... poor....
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April 28, 2021, 08:30:28 PM

Taxes are kind of a price to pay to live in a civilized society.

If civilisation is built upon involuntary extortion...it's not really civilised is it?




List of countries without income tax:
Somalia
The Bahamas
Saint Kitts and Nevis  
Turks and Caicos  
Saint Barthélemy
Wallis and Futuna  
Vanuatu  
Bahrain  
The British Virgin Islands  
Cayman Islands  
Norfolk Island  
Pitcairn  
The United Arab Emirates  
Nauru  
Monaco  
The Maldives  
Oman  
Kuwait  
Qatar  
Bermuda  
Brunei  
Vatican City State
Western Sahara  

I'm sure you, from all of the people, know that there's no perfect solution, and everything comes with its own tradeoffs and caveats. A tax free heaven that looks perfect on paper, can be a real shithole due to a ton of other problems. Does it really matter if you don't have to pay any income taxes, but now you have to "grease the wheels" of everyone who has a bigger gun then you do? And are a bunch of people putting a claim on all of the resources of the country is not just another form of taxation?



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There is also a theory that a convergence of both systems (cap and comm) is actually occurring.




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April 28, 2021, 08:33:06 PM

@infofront: Pick it in terms of defining it, or picking one from a predefined set of (already prepared) polls?

I was buying bitcoins!!

Your timestamp 1619633791
My timastmap 1619633792

Choose the poll... infofront didn’t put any conditions so it’s open for you.

Hmm, i'm still thinking...
No idea  Roll Eyes

If you have a good poll on your mind, i'd let you choose.

Who else owns Bitcoin among your closed ones?
1. I’m alone
2. Me and my partner
3. My family and close friends
4. All of my circle owns some

Or

What’s your estimated price to sell your Bitcoins at least 50%
1. Next ATH
2. $100k
3. $250k
4. $500k
Or you going to HODL and die with your bitcoins? Don’t do this please...

Edit:
Or may be more generalized
What’s your estimated price to sell your Bitcoins at least 50%
1. Next ATH
2. $100-$150k
3. $200-$300k
4. $500k+

I think the first one is a good idea.
All the ideas i already had for a poll were already asked.
On the other hand, my mind is occupied with family probs at the time.
One of the sons is underperforming at school. It's not that he isn't clever, but he thinks he is way better than he really is. And when he's confronted with his low skills after writing tests, he's just sad. Not that he can be motivated to learn his stuff, but he remembers hundreds of names and details of pokemon, while he can't even accurately convert simple units (tons,kilograms,dekagrams,grams) - it's almost like dyscalculia. He gets it right one time out of four, by accident. $34 and 20c, converted to cents result in 340002 cents, for example. Next try, 2354cents converted to dollars, his reply is correct with $23,54...
He has a military grade maths teacher, too. I get a call from her every few weeks  Roll Eyes
I was helping many loser students in programming and computer science class, they were F's and made it to B,C's and some even found their new favorite hobby in coding. I'm good at teaching, i always tried hard to be a good teacher, but anything i try to teach him just wont stick in his head.
I really started to feel kind of helpless, lately.
My weak mind is occupied by spinning thoughts around this problem.
The trial to choose a poll made me somewhat aware of it.
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Taxes are kind of a price to pay to live in a civilized society.

If civilisation is built upon involuntary extortion...it's not really civilised is it?



And some of those hard earned taxes are diverted to farm subsidies which only serve to distort the market. Their main reason is political, to court votes. The majority of the money goes to big agricultural businesses with small family farms seeing very little. This enables big business to out compete small farms with economies of scale often making small farms bankrupt, these are in turn bought up cheaply.

I don't want to receive subsidies paid for by taxing hard working people. So reduce taxes, reduce government, let market forces dictate what farmers produce.  

 
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Generated BIP39 Mnemonic 24 words.

I wish to store these words on a 2 of 3 paper backup and hide them.
It seemed a simple task.

So scouring through a book for these 24 words and assigning each a 5 digit code based on page number line number and position of word within the line. Then noting these down pencil on paper and hiding them would probably be meaningless to the finder.
I may just use the 24 words plus 1 method for extra security and commit this to pencil and paper in addition to being in my head.


Bro, dude, ... metal wallet. or engrave in stone. or something along those lines.

Take a look here: https://jlopp.github.io/metal-bitcoin-storage-reviews/

Or DIY it from some stainless steel flat plate. Stamp. Etch. Up to you. I'm going to try etching.



thanks for that, I did look into steel letter sets designed for the job.

Currently pencil on acid free paper. (Whereas in the past it would have been acid on blotting paper)

but not any good in a fire

I thought of etching copper with ferric chloride but steel has a 700F higher melting point and much harder and Ive got lots of scrap pieces lying around.
Maybe weld it face side inwards to shed doors to hide content.
project for a wet day.

To lose bitcoin when it was $300 would have caused sickness in pit of stomach.
But at current prices, the stuff of heart attacks.



There are many cool options

https://www.cryptocloaks.com/product/blockmitjig/


https://safu.ninja/safu2/

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@infofront: Pick it in terms of defining it, or picking one from a predefined set of (already prepared) polls?

I was buying bitcoins!!

Your timestamp 1619633791
My timastmap 1619633792

Choose the poll... infofront didn’t put any conditions so it’s open for you.

Hmm, i'm still thinking...
No idea  Roll Eyes

If you have a good poll on your mind, i'd let you choose.

Who else owns Bitcoin among your closed ones?
1. I’m alone
2. Me and my partner
3. My family and close friends
4. All of my circle owns some

Or

What’s your estimated price to sell your Bitcoins at least 50%
1. Next ATH
2. $100k
3. $250k
4. $500k
Or you going to HODL and die with your bitcoins? Don’t do this please...

Edit:
Or may be more generalized
What’s your estimated price to sell your Bitcoins at least 50%
1. Next ATH
2. $100-$150k
3. $200-$300k
4. $500k+

I think the first one is a good idea.
All the ideas i already had for a poll were already asked.
On the other hand, my mind is occupied with family probs at the time.
One of the sons is underperforming at school. It's not that he isn't clever, but he thinks he is way better than he really is. And when he's confronted with his low skills after writing tests, he's just sad. Not that he can be motivated to learn his stuff, but he remembers hundreds of names and details of pokemon, while he can't even accurately convert simple units (tons,kilograms,dekagrams,grams) - it's almost like dyscalculia. He gets it right one time out of four, by accident. $34 and 20c, converted to cents result in 340002 cents, for example. Next try, 2354cents converted to dollars, his reply is correct with $23,54...
He has a military grade maths teacher, too. I get a call from her every few weeks  Roll Eyes
I was helping many loser students in programming and computer science class, they were F's and made it to B,C's and some even found their new favorite hobby in coding. I'm good at teaching, i always tried hard to be a good teacher, but anything i try to teach him just wont stick in his head.
I really started to feel kind of helpless, lately.
My weak mind is occupied by spinning thoughts around this problem.
The trial to choose a poll made me somewhat aware of it.

Very interesting. Could it be that they are used to a phone calculator, so they don't need to solve problems by thinking about it?
According to mom, I got severe food poisoning when I was a small kid, and then refused to eat typical food.
Dr. suggested to place multiple types of food in front and maybe I choose something for starters. I did. It was something weird.
The point is-maybe give him several learning options...who knows, maybe he is a football player or a poet?
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April 28, 2021, 09:19:39 PM

How long before next big move up you think people? I think April is ending as small red candle on the monthly. Consolidation is boring, I need big green dildos please  Huh
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How long before next big move up you think people? I think April is ending as small red candle on the monthly. Consolidation is boring, I need big green dildos please  Huh

Haha don't worry, with this kind of message.. you will get the reply from...

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I'm sure you, from all of the people, know that there's no perfect solution, and everything comes with its own tradeoffs and caveats. A tax free heaven that looks perfect on paper, can be a real shithole due to a ton of other problems. Does it really matter if you don't have to pay any income taxes, but now you have to "grease the wheels" of everyone who has a bigger gun then you do? And are a bunch of people putting a claim on all of the resources of the country is not just another form of taxation?


I voluntarily pay my Bitcoin private fees to use their service.

I do not expect ETH users to pay Bitcoin fees to use their service.

It's....voluntary....aint that great?
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April 28, 2021, 09:55:13 PM

@infofront: Pick it in terms of defining it, or picking one from a predefined set of (already prepared) polls?

I was buying bitcoins!!

Your timestamp 1619633791
My timastmap 1619633792

Choose the poll... infofront didn’t put any conditions so it’s open for you.

Hmm, i'm still thinking...
No idea  Roll Eyes

If you have a good poll on your mind, i'd let you choose.

Who else owns Bitcoin among your closed ones?
1. I’m alone
2. Me and my partner
3. My family and close friends
4. All of my circle owns some

Or

What’s your estimated price to sell your Bitcoins at least 50%
1. Next ATH
2. $100k
3. $250k
4. $500k
Or you going to HODL and die with your bitcoins? Don’t do this please...

Edit:
Or may be more generalized
What’s your estimated price to sell your Bitcoins at least 50%
1. Next ATH
2. $100-$150k
3. $200-$300k
4. $500k+

I think the first one is a good idea.
All the ideas i already had for a poll were already asked.
On the other hand, my mind is occupied with family probs at the time.
One of the sons is underperforming at school. It's not that he isn't clever, but he thinks he is way better than he really is. And when he's confronted with his low skills after writing tests, he's just sad. Not that he can be motivated to learn his stuff, but he remembers hundreds of names and details of pokemon, while he can't even accurately convert simple units (tons,kilograms,dekagrams,grams) - it's almost like dyscalculia. He gets it right one time out of four, by accident. $34 and 20c, converted to cents result in 340002 cents, for example. Next try, 2354cents converted to dollars, his reply is correct with $23,54...
He has a military grade maths teacher, too. I get a call from her every few weeks  Roll Eyes
I was helping many loser students in programming and computer science class, they were F's and made it to B,C's and some even found their new favorite hobby in coding. I'm good at teaching, i always tried hard to be a good teacher, but anything i try to teach him just wont stick in his head.
I really started to feel kind of helpless, lately.
My weak mind is occupied by spinning thoughts around this problem.
The trial to choose a poll made me somewhat aware of it.

Very interesting. Could it be that they are used to a phone calculator, so they don't need to solve problems by thinking about it?
According to mom, I got severe food poisoning when I was a small kid, and then refused to eat typical food.
Dr. suggested to place multiple types of food in front and maybe I choose something for starters. I did. It was something weird.
The point is-maybe give him several learning options...who knows, maybe he is a football player or a poet?

My god, no Smiley
There is that app called FamilyLink, i'd recognize it if he'd be using that calculator app on his phone.
He would fail at the basics, constructing correct input values. I refuse so much to think as an "Idiot" about him, this is how kids were seen when i was that young.
I would be glad to find the key to his door that blocks him from using his brain efficiently, while i can not name anything he has like "talent".
He is quite a daydreamer, he's reading all the time, but he is not a good writer at all.
Sometimes i think about the possibility that he subconsciously doesn't want to become adult, for whatever reason. Once he said to me that he doesn't want to become a teenager and that he will hate puberty.
We're not the kind of parents that try to break him, just to make him obey to the (mostly stupid) rules of this particular society. We were both raised that way and because of this we broke out of it, so fuck that. The main concern is that we will have to see him struggling with the school/work/life system for years to come, before he will hopefully develop his yet undiscovered strength(s).
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I'm sure you, from all of the people, know that there's no perfect solution, and everything comes with its own tradeoffs and caveats. A tax free heaven that looks perfect on paper, can be a real shithole due to a ton of other problems. Does it really matter if you don't have to pay any income taxes, but now you have to "grease the wheels" of everyone who has a bigger gun then you do? And are a bunch of people putting a claim on all of the resources of the country is not just another form of taxation?


I voluntarily pay my Bitcoin private fees to use their service.

I do not expect ETH users to pay Bitcoin fees to use their service.

It's....voluntary....aint that great?
Ethereum is a failed experiment.
I like to say it is just Vitalik's pet project when he was still in college.
It has all the hallmarks to fail.
High fees when the usage is too much for it to handle on their network.
It is near it's final leg as you know this when one of the developers who was one of the first to work on ethereum retires from the project just last week.

Anyways, in the news it is Elon and his prancing around as if he was pro bitcoin while his company dumped it upon investors request.
He does not have diamond hands.
So just goes to show you not to EVER TRUST corporations when it comes to your crypto.
They only look after their bottom line and once it dumps back to under $20k they will run back to their masters of the game...
Fiat and Gold! Cheesy
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I'm sure you, from all of the people, know that there's no perfect solution, and everything comes with its own tradeoffs and caveats. A tax free heaven that looks perfect on paper, can be a real shithole due to a ton of other problems. Does it really matter if you don't have to pay any income taxes, but now you have to "grease the wheels" of everyone who has a bigger gun then you do? And are a bunch of people putting a claim on all of the resources of the country is not just another form of taxation?


I voluntarily pay my Bitcoin private fees to use their service.

I do not expect ETH users to pay Bitcoin fees to use their service.

It's....voluntary....aint that great?

I don't believe in panaceas, systems are so complex that if someone points at one gear and claims it to be the root of all evil, most likely is trying to sell you something.
You must realize that not everyone is going to sit around bonfire and sing Kumbaya without gov taxes? Sure you take a publicly available unbiased decentralized open algorithm as an example, but what about regional monopolies? Or you're saying that all i'd have to do is get bigger guns and buy up roads/properties surrounding your house and then i can charge you whatever extortion fees for use? Or get together with a couple of friends to box you in or buy up local ISP/water/power plant? Of course if you don't like that you always have an option to move to another place or build your own ISP/water/power plant or get bigger guns and wrestle it away from me. Monopolies and oligopolies would be rampant a lot of people would be trying to corner the market. I think claiming that there are no downsides to any changes and everyone only stands to benefit is naïve/misleading. Did you keep count how many bribes you had to pay during your endeavors, doubt those people accepting bribes decide to start a Mars program one day to help humanity.
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I'm sure you, from all of the people, know that there's no perfect solution, and everything comes with its own tradeoffs and caveats. A tax free heaven that looks perfect on paper, can be a real shithole due to a ton of other problems. Does it really matter if you don't have to pay any income taxes, but now you have to "grease the wheels" of everyone who has a bigger gun then you do? And are a bunch of people putting a claim on all of the resources of the country is not just another form of taxation?


I voluntarily pay my Bitcoin private fees to use their service.

I do not expect ETH users to pay Bitcoin fees to use their service.

It's....voluntary....aint that great?
Ethereum is a failed experiment.
I like to say it is just Vitalik's pet project when he was still in college.
It has all the hallmarks to fail.
High fees when the usage is too much for it to handle on their network.
It is near it's final leg as you know this when one of the developers who was one of the first to work on ethereum retires from the project just last week.

Anyways, in the news it is Elon and his prancing around as if he was pro bitcoin while his company dumped it upon investors request.
He does not have diamond hands.

Elon didn't sell his private holdings.
Tesla sold a bit to provide liquidity figures for the quarterly financial report, afaik.

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So just goes to show you not to EVER TRUST corporations when it comes to your crypto.
They only look after their bottom line and once it dumps back to under $20k they will run back to their masters of the game...
Fiat and Gold! Cheesy

I don't put that into question, though...

EDIT: Time for a #hodlnap. Read yours tomorrow!
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