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September 17, 2021, 12:39:31 AM

are there any situations when having battery in, but phone off can affect anything?
A genuine question.

if the battery is in, some part of the phone is on, even if its just something that looks for the power button to be pressed. who knows what else could be powered but "dormant" waiting for some trigger.

no battery is the only way to be sure its really, really off instead of some kind of "soft" off mode.

I have a whole list of similarly hardcore user/consumer protection laws that I dream of. One of my faves is "Any data not strictly necessary to carry out the user's command sent out from the device by your program/app will cost you. The user gets to price the data by the byte. If you get sued (and be sure you will, there's real money involved), it's the laws and courts of the user's country that decide." This would include even benign cases such as an app checking for updates without the user's direct request.

A man can dream, right?


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what is this "brake pedal" you speak of?


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September 17, 2021, 12:45:57 AM

Right you are. Unless there's a condenser holding just enough charge to keep something still on for minutes. Or hours.

yeah supercaps are getting more and more common (like in consumer SSDs etc) so its gonna be pretty cheap and easy to include in even base model phones and such.

big brother never sleeps
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September 17, 2021, 12:51:45 AM

are there any situations when having battery in, but phone off can affect anything?
A genuine question.

if the battery is in, some part of the phone is on, even if its just something that looks for the power button to be pressed. who knows what else could be powered but "dormant" waiting for some trigger.

no battery is the only way to be sure its really, really off instead of some kind of "soft" off mode.

Right you are. Unless there's a condenser holding just enough charge to keep something still on for minutes. Or hours.

Removable battery should be a safety design requirement IMO. I'd go to such draconian consumer protection measures as "If the battery cannot be removed, you can't sell this in this country, sorry. Security, you understand."

I have a whole list of similarly hardcore user/consumer protection laws that I dream of. One of my faves is "Any data not strictly necessary to carry out the user's command sent out from the device by your program/app will cost you. The user gets to price the data by the byte. If you get sued (and be sure you will, there's real money involved), it's the laws and courts of the user's country that decide." This would include even benign cases such as an app checking for updates without the user's direct request.

A man can dream, right?


For phones or tablets that are turned off, you can insert them in a faraday shield or wrap it in metal foil (and then stick it in a safe), it won't be connecting to anything wireless. Trying to get the battery out is rather inconvenient. So far my cold storage device has retained its charge for several weeks or months, and I would occasionally top it off when it has reached around 40% to 50% battery level. It's never been online and never updated BUT I did not physically remove any antennas or the wireless chips in it.

I can one day factory reset the thing and re-purpose it in the future. Or I'll probably keep it as my "hardware wallet" forever.
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Link or it did not happen.

Busted by on-chain txs.

https://twitter.com/ZuwuTV/status/1437921263394115584
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September 17, 2021, 01:40:29 AM

It's really not that hard to lock big brother out, all you need is an empty bag of potato chips.

https://myrodeofm.com/2017/11/30/a-guy-hid-his-phone-in-a-potato-chip-bag-to-keep-his-boss-from-tracking-him-while-he-played-golf-on-the-clock/
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September 17, 2021, 01:48:42 AM

Yah, I was just wondering that. Bit concerned.
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September 17, 2021, 02:30:41 AM

Ha ha they are selling some of my own creations turning down an offer for over 3/4 of an ETH..
https://opensea.io/assets?search%5Bquery%5D=Moonpepe&search%5Btoggles%5D%5B0%5D=HAS_OFFERS

Damn..
Seems like they are buying from me to sell on this opensea thing..

Maybe I better figure out how to directly sell on opensea..

Somebody paid me like $9,000 for one frog card yesterday.. Maybe I could have got more selling it on opensea myself..


Who the fuck knew fucking frogs would sell for so much?
Rediculous..


If any of you know how to work this opensea thing, I still have a rediculous amount more frog pics to sell..
I’ll cut you a good profit..


I did the frogs for fun mostly and now all of a sudden people want them that bad? Fuck..

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September 17, 2021, 02:40:57 AM
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are there any situations when having battery in, but phone off can affect anything?
A genuine question.

if the battery is in, some part of the phone is on, even if its just something that looks for the power button to be pressed. who knows what else could be powered when the battery is in it but "dormant" (idle) waiting for some trigger.

no battery is the only way to be sure its really, really off instead of some kind of "soft" off mode.

There's a hidden operating system that's always running on Intel processor computers, even when they are turned off by the power button. It's called the Intel Management Engine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Management_Engine

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The Intel Management Engine always runs as long as the motherboard is receiving power, even when the computer is turned off.

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Intel's main competitor AMD has incorporated the equivalent AMD Secure Technology (formally called Platform Security Processor) in virtually all of its post-2013 CPUs


The Intel Management Engine is an operating system called MINIX 3. Linux was developed on an early version of Minix, and has some of its features.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minix

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September 17, 2021, 02:51:29 AM

Who the fuck is this “emblem-deployer” faggot who is claiming to have created the Pepe assets that I FUCKING CREATED!!!
https://opensea.io/Emblem-Deployer?tab=created

This fuck is claiming my own creations as his own!!!!!


How do I get my hands on this fuck???

Angry!!!

Motherfucker I am 1vvSrTFiQY7akwbsv3iYPPe9mR3DsEbff !!!!!!

Message:
Fuck you emblem-deployer!!

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H7HWCczxtHpRExIOI5pJhEboagBKX97L2EXZrDJvs0l8JrAsZwYGPfHzC3/lIPZEmpP4kEANFutxGaHfDF7fyKA=

Fight me you scamming bitch!!
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September 17, 2021, 03:21:18 AM

Who the fuck is this “emblem-deployer” faggot who is claiming to have created the Pepe assets that I FUCKING CREATED!!!
https://opensea.io/Emblem-Deployer?tab=created

This fuck is claiming my own creations as his own!!!!!


How do I get my hands on this fuck???

Angry!!!

Motherfucker I am 1vvSrTFiQY7akwbsv3iYPPe9mR3DsEbff !!!!!!

Message:
Fuck you emblem-deployer!!

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H7HWCczxtHpRExIOI5pJhEboagBKX97L2EXZrDJvs0l8JrAsZwYGPfHzC3/lIPZEmpP4kEANFutxGaHfDF7fyKA=

Fight me you scamming bitch!!

Yeah..

And fuck shitcoins too..

There are other places (even on this very forum) to talk about that distracting irrelevant smoke and mirrors pumpening and dumpening nonsense..


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September 17, 2021, 03:24:05 AM

Jay, can you not recognize a Bitcoin address when you see one or something?
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September 17, 2021, 03:31:56 AM
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are there any situations when having battery in, but phone off can affect anything?
A genuine question.

if the battery is in, some part of the phone is on, even if its just something that looks for the power button to be pressed. who knows what else could be powered when the battery is in it but "dormant" (idle) waiting for some trigger.

no battery is the only way to be sure its really, really off instead of some kind of "soft" off mode.

A faraday shield is more convenient.


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07NW77BS6/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07R4MV6XQ/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?


I have both of the above and use them. They are pretty much foolproof when combined.

I have never been able to call my phone if in the soft case and it is in the stainless steel box.

Also waterproofs and protects against fire.  you can do 2 in the soft cases and they will both fit in the metal box.

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September 17, 2021, 03:44:04 AM

[Snippety doo dah]

There's a hidden operating system that's always running on Intel processor computers, even when they are turned off by the power button. It's called the Intel Management Engine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Management_Engine

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The Intel Management Engine always runs as long as the motherboard is receiving power, even when the computer is turned off.

Wow, did not know that, thanks. If you use Linux and don't know your CPU type, this works:
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$ cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep -i intel

It will either be many screens of info, or a Carriage_Return
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September 17, 2021, 03:51:21 AM

Jay, can you not recognize a Bitcoin address when you see one or something?

->cough<-
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September 17, 2021, 03:55:03 AM

Jay, can you not recognize a Bitcoin address when you see one or something?

to a hammer everything looks like a nail...sometimes i wonder as he/she often talks about bitcoin in PURE theoretical sense, like about an immaterial idea.
Most people checked the software, mined or tried to, run a node, etc, but NOT him/her.
Hence the software (bot) suggestion, but i rejected it because it would be too darned faulty.
Albeit not recognizing a btc address (despite writing a couple 'dissertations' here about it) and not knowing that you cannot literally shoot the virus makes me go...hmmm.
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Who the fuck is this “emblem-deployer” faggot who is claiming to have created the Pepe assets that I FUCKING CREATED!!!

Report them. https://support.opensea.io/hc/en-us/articles/4404423595667-How-can-I-report-fraudulent-content-on-OpenSea-
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