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W0ah, New Poll !!!

should have had a third entry: Good enough AFTER taproot.

Actually, that's a good point. I'll reset the poll. I was thinking of taproot already being included, but it's definitely not, yet.

Nice to see you, infofront.

I recall how seemingly pessimistic you were in regards to BTC prices in about mid-June, when you reset the poll of our guess about $25k versus $50k... so surely, a lot of us are feeling much better when that particular poll was resolved to the UPside rather than to the DOWNside.. which seemed to be the more plausible momentum.. back then.. but now, BTC prices are feeling quite a bit better than they were feeling back then (a mere 3 months ago).. ..

Three months can seem to take forever in bitcoinlandia, but surely many of us longer term HODLers are likely in a better mood with BTC prices in the upper $40ks as compared to when they were in the lower $30ks and also a couple of times meandering into the upper $20ks.. no fun.. no fun.  (or at least,  less fun).
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 Undecided

Remarkable age, by the way.
(Thinking about the ZX-81)


Look at the comments. NFT seems to sport a community of the most noble members. NOT!
A fast NFT bubble-pop would seem like a karmic cleansing, imo.

I also came here for a bit of a humanitarian request. A trusted friend, whom I met on these very forums, asked me to post something. He knows a very poor filipino family, through his fiance, and they currently have an infant who will certainly die without an expensive surgery:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5360407

No pressure, of course, but if you'd like to contribute a little bit of your profits, the money will really be a big help to them.

As a father of four, i spared some sats. It's not much, but if only about 70 hodlers would do the same, the goal would be achieved.
It's not much anyway, compared to western standard costs for medical treatment.

I should have been nicer.
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https://twitter.com/omgitsbrad/status/1438503215004143624?s=21

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Sad... He played a key part in bringing personal computers closer to the masses, to a young generation of inventors and makers that would shape the future of technology and computing for years to come.

RIP Sir Clive Sinclair, and thanks.
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September 17, 2021, 08:38:52 AM
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Careful with the "nice" part, especially when dealing with potentially disingenuine folks on the interwebs, including some of them either wanting to get any foothold to infiltrate shitcoins into the topic, or to denigrate bitcoin in various ways or even to present misleading information about bitcoins in a kind of ongoing pattern that seems to be intended to dissuade investment into bitcoin.

Surely, each of us is not going to find the same balances, and for sure, sometimes the topics are just seen differently, but still even on a substantive level, sometimes it might not be a good idea to concede or to be too nice in terms of making concessions...

For example, there are some members who want to suggest that bitcoin should be treated the same as if it were some kind of a mature stock, and surely that could be an honest attempt at an argument, even though there is likely a lot of baloney in that kind of a framework, and there might not be a need to be going along with that framework and to be nice about it because it is not accurate in terms of talking about specific aspects of a paradigm shifting value transferring asset such as bitcoin. 

Another angle are those folks who seem to be wanting to present their lil selfies as so much smarter than everyone else in terms of coming up with their own BTC price prediction models, and sure their models (or at least their short-term predictions) might well come true, but many times they might be presenting their BTC price prediction models while wanting to denigrate the actual credible and most convincing of current BTC price prediction models and to prematurely proclaim that there is a bear market towards the bottom of the BTC price correction.. .Had you not noticed?  hopefully not too many people sold at those upper $20ks or lower $30k prices to hopefully buy back at lower prices and maybe the less problematic area are merely those newbie folks who decided NOT to buy bitcoin at those prices because they anticipated the BTC price to be going lower.  Are those genuine claims of a bear market?  perhaps?  probably not..

The currently convincing BTC price prediction models include 1) stock to flow, 2) 4-year fractal and 3) exponential s-curve adoption based on networking effects and Metcalfe principles.  I would not even suggest that guys have too agree with those particular BTC price prediction models but trying to act like they do not exist and just spinning your own models as if those current credible model do not exist do not seem to be genuine ways of arguing about bitcoin or discussing it.. especially when it sometimes seems intentional.. so I am questioning why I would need to be nice in those contexts, either... do you have an answer for that?

By the way, when we go to have a beer someday OOM, it would quite likely be that we would not need to present any of our ideas in any kind of argumentative ways, because if you and I are talking about various bitcoin ideas and we do not agree, we can change the topic or just agree to disagree, and if no one is listening in on our conversation then it might not matter so much about whether disingenuine claims and arguments are being made, so we just go on and drink our beers and talk about the sheds that we happen to be building in our back yards.

On the other hand, if we are on a stage, and there are 50 people in the audience, then we might feel more investment in making sure that we are not misleading anyone in the audience about the materials and information that are being presented - including if factually inaccurate or logically inconsistent information is being presented.. Nice might work in that context, but it might not be the way to deal with matters.. even though in person people do tend to be nicer, overall and they tend to NOT be making outrageous and disingenuine claims as frequently either, as compared with how online communications can sometimes devolve in those kinds of disingenuine ways.
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Sad... He played a key part in bringing personal computers closer to the masses, to a young generation of inventors and makers that would shape the future of technology and computing for years to come.

RIP Sir Clive Sinclair, and thanks.

Yep. The ZX81 was my introduction into computing. I know it was for many here too.
As crappy as that thing was, it certainly got me hooked into computing.
Learnt how to code BASIC and I never looked back after that.
Exceptionally eccentric and brilliant man.
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Hey guys, how are you!!?

Well, I was thinking to myself, a factor that I imagined and that could intervene in the value of Bitcoin (and altcoins) if it happens, is a continuation of the stimulus checks offered by Biden to the North American population.
There are great indications that depending on the amount of stimulus "injected" into the economy and the origin of this money, I have great indications that this can change the price of Bitcoin in the future

Will this happen? the trillions worth of infrastructure plan actually was approved?
Will the fourth stimulus check for the population been approved?

About the money, the US will "give" to the population, what is the origin  of this money? increase in tax collection? quantitative easing or other similar things?

Could someone let me know about this!?

Thank you so much!

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I should have been nicer.
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Being nice feels good after all  Cool

Careful with the "nice" part, especially when dealing with potentially disingenuine folks on the interwebs, including some of them either wanting to get any foothold to infiltrate shitcoins into the topic, or to denigrate bitcoin in various ways or even to present misleading information about bitcoins in a kind of ongoing pattern that seems to be intended to dissuade investment into bitcoin.

Surely, each of us is not going to find the same balances, and for sure, sometimes the topics are just seen differently, but still even on a substantive level, sometimes it might not be a good idea to concede or to be too nice in terms of making concessions...

For example, there are some members who want to suggest that bitcoin should be treated the same as if it were some kind of a mature stock, and surely that could be an honest attempt at an argument, even though there is likely a lot of baloney in that kind of a framework, and there might not be a need to be going along with that framework and to be nice about it because it is not accurate in terms of talking about specific aspects of a paradigm shifting value transferring asset such as bitcoin. 

Another angle are those folks who seem to be wanting to present their lil selfies as so much smarter than everyone else in terms of coming up with their own BTC price prediction models, and sure their models (or at least their short-term predictions) might well come true, but many times they might be presenting their BTC price prediction models while wanting to denigrate the actual credible and most convincing of current BTC price prediction models and to prematurely proclaim that there is a bear market towards the bottom of the BTC price correction.. .Had you not noticed?  hopefully not too many people sold at those upper $20ks or lower $30k prices to hopefully buy back at lower prices and maybe the less problematic area are merely those newbie folks who decided NOT to buy bitcoin at those prices because they anticipated the BTC price to be going lower.  Are those genuine claims of a bear market?  perhaps?  probably not..

The currently convincing BTC price prediction models include 1) stock to flow, 2) 4-year fractal and 3) exponential s-curve adoption based on networking effects and Metcalfe principles.  I would not even suggest that guys have too agree with those particular BTC price prediction models but trying to act like they do not exist and just spinning your own models as if those current credible model do not exist do not seem to be genuine ways of arguing about bitcoin or discussing it.. especially when it sometimes seems intentional.. so I am questioning why I would need to be nice in those contexts, either... do you have an answer for that?

By the way, when we go to have a beer someday OOM, it would quite likely be that we would not need to present any of our ideas in any kind of argumentative ways, because if you and I are talking about various bitcoin ideas and we do not agree, we can change the topic or just agree to disagree, and if no one is listening in on our conversation then it might not matter so much about whether disingenuine claims and arguments are being made, so we just go on and drink our beers and talk about the sheds that we happen to be building in our back yards.

On the other hand, if we are on a stage, and there are 50 people in the audience, then we might feel more investment in making sure that we are not misleading anyone in the audience about the materials and information that are being presented - including if factually inaccurate or logically inconsistent information is being presented.. Nice might work in that context, but it might not be the way to deal with matters.. even though in person people do tend to be nicer, overall and they tend to NOT be making outrageous and disingenuine claims as frequently either, as compared with how online communications can sometimes devolve in those kinds of disingenuine ways.

I agree with all of that.
I should have written "It always feels good to be nice, but it not always is good to be nice".
Some lines need to be drawn very sharp, though.

The other thing:
Online communication is prone to error by it's nature. We communicate way more flawlessly when we can see, hear and get to known to each other. Many communication signals are omitted by using text-only communication. Seems I don't find the link to the study, but if i do, i'll post it here.

We may well have a beer at the $1m party  Grin
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Careful with the "nice" part...

[...]

I agree with all of that.
I should have written "It always feels good to be nice, but it not always is good to be nice".
Some lines need to be drawn very sharp, though.

The other thing:
Online communication is prone to error by it's nature. We communicate way more flawlessly when we can see, hear and get to known to each other. Many communication signals are omitted by using text-only communication. Seems I don't find the link to the study, but if i do, i'll post it here.

We may well have a beer at the $1m party  Grin

Huh? I thought we were talking about the $100k party, no? Now it's the $1M party?

Actually I like the change. $100k seems so close, almost a no biggie, boring even ($100k boring? WTF?). $1M will be so cool...until it becomes boring too, and we aim for $10M.

Well, no, $1M will never be boring, because of that 'M' in there. This should bring many of us to "fuck-the-universe" status!
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Also chiming on on the Sinclair news. The ZX81 will always have a special place in my tech heart.
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Careful with the "nice" part...

[...]

I agree with all of that.
I should have written "It always feels good to be nice, but it not always is good to be nice".
Some lines need to be drawn very sharp, though.

The other thing:
Online communication is prone to error by it's nature. We communicate way more flawlessly when we can see, hear and get to known to each other. Many communication signals are omitted by using text-only communication. Seems I don't find the link to the study, but if i do, i'll post it here.

We may well have a beer at the $1m party  Grin

Huh? I thought we were talking about the $100k party, no? Now it's the $1M party?

Actually I like the change. $100k seems so close, almost a no biggie, boring even ($100k boring? WTF?). $1M will be so cool...until it becomes boring too, and we aim for $10M.

Well, no, $1M will never be boring, because of that 'M' in there. This should bring many of us to "fuck-the-universe" status!

In my case the M means "Fuck you, i can travel anywhere!"  Grin
(Without taking too much from the digital family treasue)
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Man, how I hate this lady.
Sheer incompetence at her best.


EDIT:

Read again  Grin
"Cryptos" are not Bitcoin!
Wouldn't fit the lady if she said "Shitcoins" instead of "Cryptos"  Wink

While my mind processed the news immediately in this sense, I refuse to think this is what that she meant with it.
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Man, how I hate this lady.
Sheer incompetence at her best.


What do you mean incompetence?

On the contrary, Lagarde is incredibly competent in the fraud and corruption she commits and lies she peddles.
Her predecessor literally had paid for hookers that would have to wait for him at every hotel. He couldn't tell the difference between a hooker and a maid and just wanted to abuse all women. He got to where he was through leeching on other people and never had to do a thing himself.

Under normal circumstances that level of corruption and criminal behaviour in a company or organisation would mean some serious reforms would be necessary but just like FIFA, another organisation that does not need to answer to anything or anyone (an organisation that literally told us it is better to host the world cup football finals in Qatar over the UK (in Qatar it is literally far too hot to walk outside let alone play football in the summer)), they fire the existing president and get someone even worse to replace them with and pretend they still know better than you and you should listen to them.

Fuck all these evil devilish people and the evil buttfucking horses they road in on!
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Man, how I hate this lady.
Sheer incompetence at her best.


Read again  Grin
"Cryptos" are not Bitcoin!
Wouldn't fit the lady if she said "Shitcoins" instead of "Cryptos"  Wink

EDIT: While El Salvador made Bitcoin actually a currency  Cool
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.....
Oh?  It's the same guy.

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ya think?

....
Nah, this takes out Tether and finishes the collapse of bitcoin. Bitcoin below $10k within 1 year. Completely evaporates for all practical purposes within 2 years. This was the confirmed Chinese news we've all known was eventually coming.

dude... I often wonder wtf is your purpose here?
The joke has long worn off.
I know, as everyone else does who frequents this thread, that you are packing a shitload of bitcoin, so what gives?


Can't a guy just offer confirmed analysis around here? Sheesh

I prefer it with a little science to back it up, but otherwise yes... never change.
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