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February 27, 2014, 11:07:55 PM
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I would really like to meet this person who goes "Hey! Look! People who invested in bitcoin lost money because the exchange service turned out to be fraudulent. Wife, give me my wallet, I'll better transfer some money to a bitcoin exchange quickly to buy those bitcoins"

Why don't you stop spouting nonsense and reply to my sharp observation


Bitcoin was already trusted in around 2011. Mainly in a drug community, but still.
The new currency needs security and a more user-friendly usability. The attention will come quickly because there is already a lot of attention on the subject. Bitcoin had to catch the attention on the entire subject itself. If a crypto emerges with better qualities, then people will start jumping cryptos fast. It's the nature of products that are supported mostly by hype. Support from hype is a fragile thing because people will get amazed by new alternatives very quickly. I think that doggecoin perfectly showed the nature of bitcoin. You don't even need a better quality product and simplistic lowbrow hype was all it needed to become quite popular.

Are you fucking joking? Bitcoin had no credibility in the eyes of the outside world back in 2011. SilkRoad was very small back then so you can't even say the online drug community trusted it. One fuckup after another along with the slow slide in price gave the few people who had heard of it ammunition to shit on Bitcoin at every opportunity. It all culminated in the infamous Rise and Fall of Bitcoin article in Wired at the end of the year. I need to stop now or I'll have nightmares about Bruce Wagner's grin and the mybitcoin heist. Where are you Tom Williams???

 
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February 27, 2014, 11:10:37 PM
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Reading that 400m of investor money

Some people (very few indeed) will read this and say: "Man, I'm smart enough, I want to understand btc."

And they will find out that there are:

1. Speculators
2. Investors
3. Smart investors that keep their private keys in a safer place than an exchange

Nr. 3 didn't lose any btc.

And some people will get it.
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February 27, 2014, 11:11:04 PM
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Ignore helps.
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February 27, 2014, 11:15:13 PM
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Movement
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February 27, 2014, 11:16:30 PM
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This is the type of stuff that makes bitcoin disruptive: you want an independent audit of a company.  A few lines of code and Pooof, there ya go.  Talk about cost-efficiency and reliability.....
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February 27, 2014, 11:18:10 PM
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What has happened in past two days? Huh

Nothing much, but now, the next person to wake up after a tornerose sleep has two more posts to read...
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February 27, 2014, 11:18:49 PM
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Looks like an upwards breakout!... probably a little too early to tell.... but will escalate quickly is my guess.
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February 27, 2014, 11:19:30 PM
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Looks some some kind of dark order resistance above 590 - every time it goes up there, there's this dump into the bid.
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February 27, 2014, 11:19:51 PM
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Movement

Only if you have been staring at the charts for too long.  Its looking good, don't get me wrong, but this is hardly a clear outbreak yet.
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February 27, 2014, 11:21:07 PM
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Only if you have been staring at the charts for too long.  Its looking good, don't get me wrong, but this is hardly a clear outbreak yet.
You are either with us or against us.
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February 27, 2014, 11:21:34 PM
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Incessant FUD spouter and sower of lies.

What have you been on here like 18 hrs straight with your barrage of pernicious negativism, are they paying you well for this little gig you got going?

*Offers some tasty Chedder for all that whine*

You can always put me on ignore and instead stand in front of a mirror, while repeating all kinds of self-assuring positive phrases to yourself. Maybe this will calm your nerves.
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February 27, 2014, 11:22:46 PM
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This is kind of like $100-$105 in July. We're not going to break the dark order resistance with this small volume now - and that means probably means going lower into a retracement to pick up volume and come back up.
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February 27, 2014, 11:23:24 PM
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Are you fucking joking? Bitcoin had no credibility in the eyes of the outside world back in 2011. SilkRoad was very small back then so you can't even say the online drug community trusted it. One fuckup after another along with the slow slide in price gave the few people who had heard of it ammunition to shit on Bitcoin at every opportunity. It all culminated in the infamous Rise and Fall of Bitcoin article in Wired at the end of the year. I need to stop now or I'll have nightmares about Bruce Wagner's grin and the mybitcoin heist. Where are you Tom Williams???
 


Ok, I'll reply and tell you that I think that it's cute, how you think that your observation is sharp.
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February 27, 2014, 11:24:40 PM
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It is known fact that having money, makes it easier to earn money.
Hence the term "capitalism".   We understand that when we place savings in shares of a growing company, our savings are put to work by that company, productively, and yield a reward in dividends paid from cashflow and/or appreciation due to growth, all of which are general benefits (at least as long as the management and organization is not sociopathic, which turns out to be a bad assumption).  Why is it so difficult to understand that holding bitcoin yields value appreciation realized in purchasing power?  It is a share in a distributed corporation, governed not by contemporaneous management by the pre-programmed management embodied in the code running on the nodes of the network.  It is adding value by creating social benefits.  The market prices those benefits.  Shareholders are rewarded for providing investment capital by buying those shares which we call bitcoin.

The price is deflationary, and exactly because the supply of bitcoins is inflating while the wealth of the world is increasing.

If the world's "wealth" -- meaning energy consumption -- continues increasing exponentially then we will all die in fire.  If that is your inflationary paradise, we have very different world-views.

Everyone who knows anything about finance knows that a currency has to "punish savers" to work.
No, everyone who is brainwashed by the Keynesian school "knows" that.  It is a false knowledge, which has never been true, as history demonstrates abundantly.

Saving wealth in money is not good, because money should not be used in saving wealth but used for transacting wealth.
Your complaint about bitcoin boils down to this:  You can't force people to use their savings on what you want them to use it for.  I regard that as a feature, not a bug.

The coin that succeeds is the coin that attracts people by it's utility and use, not because it seems attractive as an speculative investment oportunity.
You don't see the store of wealth use case as a beneficial one.  I do.

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it is reasonable to ask: which valuation is more likely to correctly reflect the economic value added by the security?
If bitcoin would become big, then it means that A LOT of worlds resources are spent on running a network...
Why should any more resources be used to run the network than those which add economic value?  Why should any less resources be used, for that matter?  Ah I see, again you aspire to be a central planner.  Why is your planning better than a soviet appatchik's, or a western central banker's?  Both are miserable failures.  It is hubris, effrontery, to pretend to know better how to price money than does the invisible hand.
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February 27, 2014, 11:27:51 PM
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Looks some some kind of dark order resistance above 590

The dark order!  Those fiends.  Let us rally the order of light, and ride hither with all haste to vanquish the foeman!
Rally at say, 530?
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February 27, 2014, 11:30:26 PM
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http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1z4olv/rogerver_states_on_irc_that_mt_gox_filing_for/

Not yet confirmed, but could help push us down.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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February 27, 2014, 11:30:49 PM
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heading to the bed for few hours, doesn't look like something important would happen.
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February 27, 2014, 11:31:09 PM
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houbi wants to go up looks like.
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February 27, 2014, 11:31:45 PM
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The price is deflationary, and exactly because the supply of bitcoins is inflating while the wealth of the world is increasing.

If the world's "wealth" -- meaning energy consumption -- continues increasing exponentially then we will all die in fire.  If that is your inflationary paradise, we have very different world-views.


I wouldn't equate "wealth" with energy.  I would equate it with having the things people want.  And that is very different from energy.  Production efficiency and scientific progress would increase one's wealth, without necessarily increasing energy ownership or consumption.



Everyone who knows anything about finance knows that a currency has to "punish savers" to work.
No, everyone who is brainwashed by the Keynesian school "knows" that.  It is a false knowledge, which has never been true, as history demonstrates abundantly.

Saving wealth in money is not good, because money should not be used in saving wealth but used for transacting wealth.
Your complaint about bitcoin boils down to this:  You can't force people to use their savings on what you want them to use it for.  I regard that as a feature, not a bug.

The coin that succeeds is the coin that attracts people by it's utility and use, not because it seems attractive as an speculative investment oportunity.
You don't see the store of wealth use case as a beneficial one.  I do.
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PS: Do people hate "+1" comments?  They might seem to be empty of meaning, but I think they matter  Smiley .
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February 27, 2014, 11:37:38 PM
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...what I have understood is that bitcoin isn't a good invention, but it's a good innovation...

The blockchain man, it is a fucking invention, the world had to wait 30 years for this one after public key cryptography was invented.
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