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I'm not sure of the point you're trying to make, but I'll bite. Fixed-income securities that instantly come to mind are government bonds. I have no idea of what governments invest in -- jackboots for their thugs, most likely. If you're suggesting that fixed income funds trade currencies, I'm sure many of them do. But invest in currencies? Lol, no, never.

Well, I said apart from derivatives and bonds (I was trying to be helpful, honest), so I can't accept "government bonds" as an answer (I hope you'd realise that they're just a specific form of bond). No, I'm not suggesting that fixed income funds trade currencies (though obviously they will), I'm saying they hold currencies as an investment for their clients.
Can you point me in the right direction? I've tried to find evidence to support thiis calim, and came up with ...zilch.
The Complete Idiot's Guide to Investing Investopedia tells me of possible ways to "invest" in currencies. Please tell me which fits best what you're suggesting fixed rate funds do:
-Standard Trading Account (trading)
-ETF/ETN (trade currency without Forex account)
-CDs & Savings Accounts (money in the bank)
-Foreign Bond Funds (Not_your_own Government bonds)
-Multinational Corporations ("indirectly participate in the foreign currency markets through their ownership in companies that do significant business in foreign countries." Rube Goldberg's favorite, and "5 Ways To Invest In Currencies" sounds so much better that "4 Ways..."

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Fixed income traditionally was investments for "widows and orphans" - low risk, cash and bonds, in a pre-derivative era. So that's BTC investors, widows and orphans now - you want to tell them their investment isn't an investment, or shall I?
Investments for "widows and orphans" sounds like some sort of a nasty bitcoiner thing where everyone gets raped and then the streets flow with tears and snot. If you're talking about IRL safe investments, "Good as government bonds" is proverbial Smiley

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April 27, 2016, 02:33:38 AM

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MEANWHILE IN FIAT
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April 27, 2016, 03:59:55 AM

9 out of 10 scientist agree bitcoin is green

POSITIVE EFFECTS ON PRICE EXPECTED!

Yeah, but what do dentists think?
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Well, I said apart from derivatives and bonds (I was trying to be helpful, honest), so I can't accept "government bonds" as an answer (I hope you'd realise that they're just a specific form of bond). No, I'm not suggesting that fixed income funds trade currencies (though obviously they will), I'm saying they hold currencies as an investment for their clients.
[1] Can you point me in the right direction? I've tried to find evidence to support thiis calim, and came up with ...zilch.
[2] The Complete Idiot's Guide to Investing Investopedia tells me of possible ways to "invest" in currencies. Please tell me which fits best what you're suggesting fixed rate funds do:
-Standard Trading Account (trading)
-ETF/ETN (trade currency without Forex account)
-CDs & Savings Accounts (money in the bank)
-Foreign Bond Funds (Not_your_own Government bonds)
-Multinational Corporations ("indirectly participate in the foreign currency markets through their ownership in companies that do significant business in foreign countries." Rube Goldberg's favorite, and "5 Ways To Invest In Currencies" sounds so much better that "4 Ways..."

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Fixed income traditionally was investments for "widows and orphans" - low risk, cash and bonds, in a pre-derivative era. So that's BTC investors, widows and orphans now - you want to tell them their investment isn't an investment, or shall I?
Investments for "widows and orphans" sounds like some sort of a nasty bitcoiner thing where everyone gets raped and then the streets flow with tears and snot. If you're talking about IRL safe investments, "Good as government bonds" is proverbial Smiley

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[1] Links in previous post, surprised you "missed" them. Here's Schwab again:

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Schwab and Schwab Bank offer a wide selection of cash and cash investment solutions.

Barclays offer the same. A quick google for "cash" and "invest" should open up a whole new world to you. Hell, while you're at it, google "traditional investments". (They're all - IMO - poor investments, before you get your panties knotted, but see [3] below).

[2] You probably want to avoid Investopedia, it's a resource for lay-people with minimal experience. Entry-level stuff. You should also probably realise that I wasn't talking about fixed income funds. (Go back, re-read my posts - I'll wait).

[3] We're not talking about safe investments, good investments or bad investments. Remember - we're talking about your belief that "you invest with money, not in money". Your hobbies are not relevant here.

[4] Tell me what will and won't result in your butt being hurted, and I'll do my best to accommodate.
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April 27, 2016, 09:47:34 AM

Why you are an idiot if you don't own as many Bitcoins as you can fit in your pockets:


Let's break out the list:

1)  Because it's literally a free money asymmetric trade, which is why the price is going up.  The odds of losing are far lower than gaining.

2)  There are only two monetary instruments on earth immune to cascading deflationary collapse of fractional reserve fiat from debts and loans going bad:  Bitcoin and Metals.

3)  If I buy gold, it has less utility than Bitcoin.  Where can I spend gold?  Nowhere.  All I can do with gold is mail it back to the gold dealer for 90% or less of what I paid for it.  Bitcoin utility is currently higher than gold for most people, yet the market cap is zilch.  Expect a correction to occur with Bitcoin market cap increasing because this is a truely distorted market if the tiny market cap asset has more acceptance and utility than the huge market cap one.

4)  Market cap is determined by market makers and market makers plan to raise the price.  People don't build 100 million dollar mining facilities and then let the price be determined by sheer luck or fate.

5)  Bitcoin moves in bubbles and there was an extremely long bear market accumulation period with observable hard floors.  Whenever a long accumulation period occurs on an actual liquid asset, the price explodes afterwards.  If you think Bitcoin is not going to see big moves, you are mistaken.

6)  The inflation rate is going from 8% to 4%, so it's actually a real currency now instead of some hyperinflating bullshit.

7)  Because fucking boats


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April 27, 2016, 10:05:19 AM

Why you are an idiot if you don't own as many Bitcoins as you can fit in your pockets:


Let's break out the list:

1)  Because it's literally a free money asymmetric trade, which is why the price is going up.  The odds of losing are far lower than gaining.

2)  There are only two monetary instruments on earth immune to cascading deflationary collapse of fractional reserve fiat from debts and loans going bad:  Bitcoin and Metals.

3)  If I buy gold, it has less utility than Bitcoin.  Where can I spend gold?  Nowhere.  All I can do with gold is mail it back to the gold dealer for 90% or less of what I paid for it.  Bitcoin utility is currently higher than gold for most people, yet the market cap is zilch.  Expect a correction to occur with Bitcoin market cap increasing because this is a truely distorted market if the tiny market cap asset has more acceptance and utility than the huge market cap one.

4)  Market cap is determined by market makers and market makers plan to raise the price.  People don't build 100 million dollar mining facilities and then let the price be determined by sheer luck or fate.

5)  Bitcoin moves in bubbles and there was an extremely long bear market accumulation period with observable hard floors.  Whenever a long accumulation period occurs on an actual liquid asset, the price explodes afterwards.  If you think Bitcoin is not going to see big moves, you are mistaken.

6)  The inflation rate is going from 8% to 4%, so it's actually a real currency now instead of some hyperinflating bullshit.

7)  Because fucking boats



Love it Roach. Smiley

You are right we will bubble at some point. My only concern is the leveraged longs are very high and we could still dip back again before the Halving. Long term it's boats.
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Got a BTC price woody!


 Choo Choo that is Smiley






(Damn get your minds out of the gutter) Sad

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April 27, 2016, 12:06:33 PM

Bitcoin fees skyrocket, price no so much:
http://www.coindesk.com/accidental-136000-bitcoin-mining-pool/
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April 27, 2016, 12:43:57 PM


467 resistance was too strong, at least this time  Wink
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April 27, 2016, 12:46:24 PM

Some morons in China trying to run the stops before pumping it atm.  The little Chinaman games get so old.
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April 27, 2016, 12:52:10 PM

Actually it seems like it was all finex. Huobi barely moved.

edit: i think wisdom feed is broken actually..
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April 27, 2016, 12:52:50 PM

well,
going to pd to "recover" losees

see you
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April 27, 2016, 12:53:20 PM

LMAO! Grin Grin Grin

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April 27, 2016, 12:56:01 PM

Yes, that's called a shake out, unless you believe people actually sell Bitcoins in that manner (on the run up to the halving no less).  The morons in China wanted to try and get rid of as many longs as possible before pumping, but they're all just going to pile back in anyway, so it was completely pointless.
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recovering from that drop already
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Well, I said apart from derivatives and bonds (I was trying to be helpful, honest), so I can't accept "government bonds" as an answer (I hope you'd realise that they're just a specific form of bond). No, I'm not suggesting that fixed income funds trade currencies (though obviously they will), I'm saying they hold currencies as an investment for their clients.
[1] Can you point me in the right direction? I've tried to find evidence to support thiis calim, and came up with ...zilch.
[2] The Complete Idiot's Guide to Investing Investopedia tells me of possible ways to "invest" in currencies. Please tell me which fits best what you're suggesting fixed rate funds do:
-Standard Trading Account (trading)
-ETF/ETN (trade currency without Forex account)
-CDs & Savings Accounts (money in the bank)
-Foreign Bond Funds (Not_your_own Government bonds)
-Multinational Corporations ("indirectly participate in the foreign currency markets through their ownership in companies that do significant business in foreign countries." Rube Goldberg's favorite, and "5 Ways To Invest In Currencies" sounds so much better that "4 Ways..."

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Fixed income traditionally was investments for "widows and orphans" - low risk, cash and bonds, in a pre-derivative era. So that's BTC investors, widows and orphans now - you want to tell them their investment isn't an investment, or shall I?
Investments for "widows and orphans" sounds like some sort of a nasty bitcoiner thing where everyone gets raped and then the streets flow with tears and snot. If you're talking about IRL safe investments, "Good as government bonds" is proverbial Smiley

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Doen's become you. Don't.



[1] Links in previous post, surprised you "missed" them. Here's Schwab again:

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Schwab and Schwab Bank offer a wide selection of cash and cash investment solutions.

Barclays offer the same. A quick google for "cash" and "invest" should open up a whole new world to you. Hell, while you're at it, google "traditional investments". (They're all - IMO - poor investments, before you get your panties knotted, but see [3] below).

[2] You probably want to avoid Investopedia, it's a resource for lay-people with minimal experience. Entry-level stuff. You should also probably realise that I wasn't talking about fixed income funds. (Go back, re-read my posts - I'll wait).

[3] We're not talking about safe investments, good investments or bad investments. Remember - we're talking about your belief that "you invest with money, not in money". Your hobbies are not relevant here.

[4] Tell me what will and won't result in your butt being hurted, and I'll do my best to accommodate.


[1] This is what Schwab is offering (from your link, point by point):

-Cash pending investment is available to invest immediately without risk of delay in having to transfer money or liquidate a current position to settle trades.

    The Schwab One® Interest feature
allows you to earn interest on your uninvested cash.
(self-explanatory; not even claiming to be an investment)

-Everyday cash and cash investments are for day-to-day or monthly recurring expenses such as bills.

    If you value FDIC insurance, a competitive yield, and a range of features such as bill pay, checkwriting, and debit cards, a Schwab Bank High Yield Investor Checking® account may be right for you.

(FDIC insured, lets you write checks and use a debit card. pay bills. Sounds familiar? It should: It's called a bank account)

-Longer-term cash can be part of your strategic asset allocation to reduce portfolio risk. It can also be used to meet known obligations, typically those coming due in more than a month.
(CDs from other banks, invest in Schwab Money Market Fund*, and  Schwab Bank High Yield Investor Savings® -- a variable-rate bank account.

In short, nothing here is an investment in money. Nothing. Those banksters fooled you without even trying.

[2] I don't want to avoid Investopedia because, like yourself, I'm the furthest thing from an investment professional. The only difference between us is I know that I'm clueless while you ...well, you are the embodiment of the Dunning–Kruger effect.
That's what gets you into trouble, LBGTA Sad

[3]You bet. You do ""invest with money, not in money." Or, rather, I do. You're still trying, so, I suppose, technically you are. Why split semantical asshairs and burst such beautiful delusions of purpose and competence, amirite?

[4]Way to ignore my excelent advice Sad


*I can understand how the name could mislead a pro such as yourself. Perhaps counterintuitively, "money market fund" does not mean "a fund investing in money."
From the horse's mouth: "Schwab’s money market funds invest exclusively in dollar-denominated, high-quality, short-term instruments, including but not limited to securities issued by the federal government, corporations, municipalities, and banks".
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