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April 29, 2016, 12:15:40 AM

-Bitcoin inflation rate is 10% per annum. *Amazing*

Wrong.  Post-halving inflation is 4%.  You will see Bitcoin start to obliterate these hyperinflating South American currencies after halving.

-Currently, bitcoin can handle a sustained rate of roughly 3 transaction per second, the average transaction volume generated by one mid-sized US shopping mall. *Amazing*

Another wrong.  Schnorr signatures will lower transaction overhead to increase TPS, plus payment channels from segwit giving you unlimited TPS with garbage collection.  Even without payment channels, it only requires around 8MB blocks for Bitcoin to function as a checkbook type payment system for large value transactions accessible to 1st world middle/upper middle class at full market adoption of trillions in market cap.  Imminent segwit release goes to 1.6MB, then hard fork to raise block size is in 2017, so it will be 3.2MB then.  

Assuming payment channels didn't even exist, you would only need one block size increase from there to remove the glass ceiling on price completely.  I don't know how the whole payment channels and sidechains thing will play out.  It might not be required to raise block size at all and payment channels, sidechains, or both will drive the expansion.  For the consumer that only makes 1 payment to a random entity then never does business again, payment channels are not useful, but for any two entities that do lots of repeat business, payment channels should provide enormous increase in capacity.

Since you only need around 8MB blocks to remove most of the glass ceiling on price, 3.2MB blocks + payment channels combined might, or maybe even probably do it entirely.  Bitcoin will likely be ready for worldwide adoption in 2017.
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April 29, 2016, 12:20:35 AM

Disgusting insect:
I'm not talking about what's been promised, or what will be. I'm talking about what is, now.
Now make like I just turned on the light and scurry away.
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April 29, 2016, 12:22:01 AM

Third, my main point is to assert that bitcoin also provides a lot of amazement, and it may not be the same kinds of amazements of other centralized services, but it is still amazing in a variety of innovative ways...

-The cost of mining 1 bitcoin is only slightly lower than the price of 1 bitcoin, mostly in burnt hydrocarbons. *AMAZING*

Look at you?Huh? Trolling your little newbie head off... Your employer must be getting desperate.    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

O.k... I will bite for a little while, even though it may be a waste of time to engage with you.


There is a lot going on with mining in terms of securing the network for the present and for the future.... it is a small cost to pay, and generally seems to be borne by the chinese government through its subsidization or electricity.

 Furthermore, investors in mining are also bearing costs and taking risks, and in the end, each of them individually is betting that in the present (and maybe even the future, to the extent that they are hodling coins or expanding their mining business) they are going to profit from their participation in such business.... so who the fuck cares?  They are rational actors who can choose for themselves the extent they want to invest into mining and whether they calculate that it is going to be profitable for them. 

Your point about hydrocarbons.. so fucking what.. sounds like an ethereum talking point.  Powering the internet takes a lot of power, too, and we are not shutting it down because it provides a lot of benefits... same is true and going to continue to be true of our lovelie lil bitcoin friends and its network that is secured through decentralized computing power.



-Bitcoin inflation rate is 10% per annum. *Amazing*

Your taking a quasi-irrelevant and nonsensical snap-shot that truly misses a variety of points, because it is out of context.  No need for me to comment further regarding your laziness in terms of this point.





-Currently, bitcoin can handle a sustained rate of roughly 3 transaction per second, the average transaction volume generated by one mid-sized US shopping mall. *Amazing*


Bitcoin transactions are doing fine for its current status and size.. .and yep, another out of context snapshot... see my response to your other above snapshot point.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


-A few days ago, someone paid $136,000 to send $0.05. *Ahahahamazing* (SFYL)

I looked up "SFYL", but I couldn't figure out what it meant.

If true, and not created by the government or big banks... this surely is a big mistake, and the public nature of bitcoin allows us to see it...

Being able to see the discrepency is amazing in comparison to centralized systems.  I believe the story is that the miner is looking for the person who lost the coins... and the funny thing is that the public is making a big deal out of it in part because they are having trouble identifying who is out $136k.



-An average bitcoin user is functionally illiterate. Sad, yet *AMAZING*

Where did you get this supposed convenient and seemingly self-serving "fact"?  Did you pull it out of your anus, to the extent that you are a real person, and not a bot?



Forgot what amazed me about my credit card, let's see...
 

I didn't forget, so there is no need to quote yourself again.



Huh. I guess you're right, booth CC and Bitcoin are amazing Smiley

You seem to be attributing something to me that I did not say... I said bitcoin is amazing, and you said that your credit card is amazing.  I did not say both were amazing.

I appreciate your points to the extent that they are potentially relevant to bitcoin, yet we do not really need to go down a rabbit hole in discussing credit cards because bitcoin is not a credit card, as we should already realize it provides a different kind of amazement that may overlap with some of the credit card services but not be exclusively such.  AMAZING!!!!!


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April 29, 2016, 12:35:36 AM

Disgusting insect:
I'm not talking about what's been promised, or what will be. I'm talking about what is, now.
Now make like I just turned on the light and scurry away.


It doesn't really matter if you are attempting to lock the conversation in some kind of narrow technical and almost irrelevant point regarding the present or some convenient and self-serving description of a snapshot that you would like to portray because bitcoin is not anywhere near a static or an established service... so the now is merely a place where bitcoin is that is going to project bitcoin into the future.. and bitcoin is currently in a real good position for a variety of future developments including the ones mentioned by rOach.
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April 29, 2016, 12:51:00 AM

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-A few days ago, someone paid $136,000 to send $0.05. *Ahahahamazing* (SFYL)
I looked up "SFYL", but I couldn't figure out what it meant.
Here, let me turn you on to a hardcore scientist research trick I picked up back at NASA:
http://s32.postimg.org/z8fv36o5x/Capture.gif

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If true, and not created by the government or big banks...
Sure it's true, here, brought to you by paradigm-shifting disruptive technology of THE blogchain:
https://blockchain.info/tx/cc455ae816e6cdafdb58d54e35d4f46d860047458eacf1c7405dc634631c570d
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this surely is a big mistake, and the public nature of bitcoin allows us to see it...

Being able to see the discrepency is amazing in comparison to centralized systems.  I believe the story is that the miner is looking for the person who lost the coins... and the funny thing is that the public is making a big deal out of it in part because they are having trouble identifying who is out $136k.

I guess we're impressed by different stuff. You prefer to look at your $135k blunder on the blogchain, while I prefer being able to get it back.
Different strokes Smiley
P.S. Please try to be brief and avoid excessive line spacing in your replies. ty.
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P.S. Please try to be brief and avoid excessive line spacing in your replies. ty.

I will take it that you, Lambie, are conceding to my several points since you largely refused to respond.

Regarding your links, I do not click on newbie links - especially when they are trolling.

Regarding your advice, Lambie.... ... get real.. and maybe, just maybe, attempt to get substantive.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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April 29, 2016, 01:11:19 AM

What does someone accidentally sending a $100,00 transaction fee have to do with anything?  It's the same thing as someone accidentally typing an extra zero or two and buying up the entire wall in stocks/commodities.  Failure to understand how to use a keyboard is not a Bitcoin issue.
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April 29, 2016, 01:57:55 AM

What does someone accidentally sending a $100,00 transaction fee have to do with anything?  It's the same thing as someone accidentally typing an extra zero or two and buying up the entire wall in stocks/commodities.
Taking into account that math ain't your strong suit (you're more of a scurrier sort of a guy, best described by Wikipedos as, and I quote: "a competitor of humanity"), I'ma gonna give you a hand. Lemme give you a little helping hand...

The difference between $.05 and $136,000.00, friend cockroach, is not "an extra zero or two." Or three. Or even four. If God, in all of His wisdom, erred as much as that hapless bitcoiner, you would weigh as much as an average African elephant, cockroach Shocked Could you imagine?! Of course you couldn't, your brain is little more than angry ganglia, you rely on it so little that it's nearly pointless: you can stay alive for a month without it, shit you not.

And that's weight, cockroach. Real life elephants are much denser (and less repulsive) than icky Blattodea, so you'd be one humongous motherfucking monstrosity, you crawly abomination!
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 Failure to understand how to use a keyboard is not a Bitcoin issue.
Lol sure, user error. As i said before, Bitcoin's like a  fleshlight that turns into a meat grinder if you don't program it just right.
SFYL & ouch ouch ouch ouch!

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Now where was I?



Easily distracted into nonsensicalandia...


Get your whored ass back to bitcoinlandia.

Accordingly:


Let's call it $448 (on Stamp).

Next $10 Up or down?


I'm a bit more inclined towards predicting up...

maybe 58.27398451% on up and 41.72601549% on down  ?    any Full member or higher want to bet .001 BTC?
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April 29, 2016, 03:18:48 AM

Oh i wanna play. I think you should go on a crusade against wire transfers and how they should be replaced by credit cards. Next time you're buying a car/house etc... ask if they'll take your VISA. Or are you in US and still write those silly cheques?

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-Currently, bitcoin WIRE TRANSFERS can handle a sustained rate of roughly 3 transaction per second, the average transaction volume generated by one mid-sized US shopping mall. *Amazing*
-A few days ago EVERY DAY, someone paid $136,000 millions to send $0.05 billions to Nigerian prince and other scams. *Ahahahamazing* (SFYL)
-An average bitcoin BANK user is functionally illiterate. Sad, yet *AMAZING*
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Or we can continue comparing bitcoin to credit card, toasters, and TVs  Roll Eyes
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April 29, 2016, 03:26:10 AM

What does someone accidentally sending a $100,00 transaction fee have to do with anything?  It's the same thing as someone accidentally typing an extra zero or two and buying up the entire wall in stocks/commodities.
Taking into account that math ain't your strong suit (you're more of a scurrier sort of a guy, best described by Wikipedos as, and I quote: "a competitor of humanity"), I'ma gonna give you a hand. Lemme give you a little helping hand...

The difference between $.05 and $136,000.00, friend cockroach, is not "an extra zero or two." Or three. Or even four. If God, in all of His wisdom, erred as much as that hapless bitcoiner, you would weigh as much as an average African elephant, cockroach Shocked Could you imagine?! Of course you couldn't, your brain is little more than angry ganglia, you rely on it so little that it's nearly pointless: you can stay alive for a month without it, shit you not.

And that's weight, cockroach. Real life elephants are much denser (and less repulsive) than icky Blattodea, so you'd be one humongous motherfucking monstrosity, you crawly abomination!
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Lol sure, user error. As i said before, Bitcoin's like a  fleshlight that turns into a meat grinder if you don't program it just right.
SFYL & ouch ouch ouch ouch!



http://thenewdaily.com.au/money/2014/10/02/historys-biggest-fat-finger-trading-errors/

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A Japanese branch of Swiss bank UBS mistakenly ordered 30 trillion yen of bonds from Capcm instead of the intended 30 million yen.

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According to a report by BBC, the trader mistakenly sold 610,000 shares in recruiter J-Com for 1 yen, rather than selling one share for 610,000 yen...The mistake cost Mizuho Securities at least 27 billion yen ($282 million).

How many 0's is that???

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Oh i wanna play. I think you should go on a crusade against wire transfers and how they should be replaced by credit cards. Next time you're buying a car/house etc... ask if they'll take your VISA. Or are you in US and still write those silly cheques?
I'm in the States. When I buy a car, I pay by check (we spell it c h e c k here, sans flowery que *lifts pinky* Britishisms), or use cash, like any normal human being. Zero wait/zero problems.
But you, you actually wire money when buying a car? Anything else you do? Weird ceremonial dances with blood sacrifices? Just to complicate things a bit more?

Though I'm not sure why we're discussing this, you can't buy a car or a house with bitcoins around here. I mean, maybe there is some hipster willing to sell one somewhere in US, it's a huge country, but normally? Lol, I'd have better luck trying to buy a car with BTCeanies Cheesy

Re. "How many 0's is that???": Fewer than the Bitcoin blunder. And remember, friend: Fiat has been around for centuries, with BILLIONS of people using it, and that's the worst you came up with.
Bitcoin has been around for 7 years, and a good chunk of it has already been lost due to hilarious fuckups Cheesy
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April 29, 2016, 04:37:16 AM

Interesting, the last few pages have been regulars responding to trolls -- wonderful. Did we get that all out of our systems? I hope. i guess it boils down to some news is better than no news. Carry on, yo!
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April 29, 2016, 05:59:35 AM

Disgusting insect:
I'm not talking about what's been promised, or what will be. I'm talking about what is, now.
Now make like I just turned on the light and scurry away.

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Interesting, the last few pages have been regulars responding to trolls -- wonderful. Did we get that all out of our systems? I hope. i guess it boils down to some news is better than no news. Carry on, yo!

When trolls feel the urge to troll, it's usually a bullish sign. After having spent quite some time here, I now think that TA actually stands for Troll Analysis.
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Interesting, the last few pages have been regulars responding to trolls -- wonderful. Did we get that all out of our systems? I hope. i guess it boils down to some news is better than no news. Carry on, yo!

When trolls feel the urge to troll, it's usually a bullish sign. After having spent quite some time here, I now think that TA actually stands for Troll Analysis.

yes, trolls are nasty bottom feeders ... you can smell the crap on their breath ... trolling time is buying time.
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Interesting, the last few pages have been regulars responding to trolls -- wonderful. Did we get that all out of our systems? I hope. i guess it boils down to some news is better than no news. Carry on, yo!

When trolls feel the urge to troll, it's usually a bullish sign. After having spent quite some time here, I now think that TA actually stands for Troll Analysis.

yes, trolls are nasty bottom feeders ... you can smell the crap on their breath ... trolling time is buying time.
Trolls are just another link in the chain.

Use this if something isn't working correctly.


It's friday, I bet some fat fingered bull is going to drive the price up a bit, if not then we're going to have a blast going sideways.
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April 29, 2016, 08:54:31 AM

-Bitcoin inflation rate is 10% per annum. *Amazing*

And the adoption rate is higher than that 10% inflation rate as evidenced by the rising price.

In 3 months when that rate is 4% the adoption rate will easily surpass such a small inflation rate. Then 4 years later when it is only 2%...
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The good old days when we had central bankers:

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The good old days when we had central bankers:


Thank god we have bitcoin
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