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[d_eddie]

BCash getting the pumpation-sensation by the looks of it.

Have a feeling it's going to be "one of those days" again.

Cheap corn buy orders set up just in case.

[Torque]

It's a kinda strange sense of certainty I get the more BTC is attacked. The high transaction fees and long confirmations is an increased incentive to hodl. While those new to crypto of the last 30 days are freaking out at BTC's correction and trying to trade alts, I've never felt more bullish in my hodlings.   In fact, its exactly what I did before I joined the buy and hodl only team.  I'm thinking there's a good possibility of some big news around the corner in response to the past several days.  
I can confirm that lots of eager "new" investors got spooked recently. Next gen hodlers?

I don't understand how the irony gets lost on most day trading crypto gamblers, that if a cryptocurrency like Bitcoin wasn't just held by the majority of people that buy it (regardless of whether the price is going up or down), it wouldn't have a high value at all? Lol

Hodling is pretty easy. People that are not used to holding something for years should go buy a nice big chunk of Gold or Silver, and put it in a safe or lockbox. It will teach them discipline.

[Karartma1]

It's a kinda strange sense of certainty I get the more BTC is attacked. The high transaction fees and long confirmations is an increased incentive to hodl. While those new to crypto of the last 30 days are freaking out at BTC's correction and trying to trade alts, I've never felt more bullish in my hodlings.   In fact, its exactly what I did before I joined the buy and hodl only team.  I'm thinking there's a good possibility of some big news around the corner in response to the past several days. 
I can confirm that lots of eager "new" investors got spooked recently. Next gen hodlers?

I don't understand how the irony gets lost on most day trading crypto gamblers, that if a cryptocurrency like Bitcoin wasn't just held by the majority of people that buy it, it wouldn't have a high value at all? Lol

Hodling is pretty easy. People that are not used to holding something for years should go buy a nice big chunk of Gold or Silver, and put it in a safe or lockbox. It will teach them discipline.

I learnt this the hard way

[RobSteward]

In the time it took me to check the thread, read the latest posts, start the capture and go back to bitstamp, the 100  btc "wall" I saw was already munched down to 75...

but anyways, i think we are munching:

[IntroVert]

07/07/2018  for the 24777 game for me please

[Gab0]

I'm thinking there's a good possibility of some big news around the corner in response to the past several days.

May God hear you!

[Wekkel]

My body is ready.

[xhomerx10]

Breaking 24777$ prediction game


27/12/2017 bikerleszno
30/12/2017 digithusiast
31/12/2017 Raja_MBZ
01/01/2018 elg
02/01/2018 wachtwoord
03/01/2018 JimboToronto
04/01/2018 d_eddie
05/01/2018 BTCMILLIONAIRE
06/01/2018 HanvanBitcoin
07/01/2018 ghandi
08/01/2018 savetherainforrest
09/01/2018 explorer
10/01/2018 bicoinpsycho
11/01/2018 Bitcoinaire
12/01/2018 speedwheel
13/01/2018 undeadbitcoiner
14/01/2018 northypole
15/01/2018 ivomm
16/01/2018 maca068
17/01/2018 bitcoinvest
18/01/2018 last of the v8s
19/01/2018 mfort312
20/01/2018 1982dre
21/01/2018 flamast2
22/01/2018 RealMachasm
23/01/2018 willope
24/01/2018 kartala
25/01/2018 orpington
26/01/2018 rolling
27/01/2018 LFC_bitcoin
28/01/2018 jojo69
29/01/2018 CristiTCM
30/01/2018 rayX12
31/01/2018 realsteelboy
01/02/2018 twocorn
02/02/2018 mancroofer
03/02/2018 True Myth
04/02/2018 poolminor
05/02/2018 itod
06/02/2018 scheptan
07/02/2018 vapourminer
08/02/2018 alexeft
09/02/2018 siert
10/02/2018 AlcoHoDL
11/02/2018 Dunkelheit667
12/02/2018 yonton
13/02/2018 Wekkel
14/02/2018 Thekool1s
15/02/2018 starmman
16/02/2018 Globb0
17/02/2018 leveldkrypto
18/02/2018 olesh
19/02/2018 BitCoinBurger
20/02/2018 Paashaas
21/02/2018 flynn
22/02/2018 icygreen
23/02/2018 erisdiscordia
24/02/2018 phil_s
25/02/2018 sirazimuth
26/02/2018 Arriemoller
27/02/2018 yonton
01/03/2018 bones261
02/03/2018 heater
05/03/2018 Notme
06/03/2018 sa_94
07/03/2018 NUFCrichard
08/03/2018 Imbatman
10/03/2018 STT
11/03/2018 badream
13/03/2018 erre
15/03/2018 podyx
17/03/2018 fragout
18/03/2018 fabiorem
21/03/2018 dakustaking76
23/03/2018 nikauforest
31/03/2018 vroom
01/04/2018 somac.
02/04/2018 kurious
05/04/2018 bitcoinbunny
10/04/2018 ludwigvon
11/04/2018 hairymaclairy
27/04/2018 drbrockoin
01/05/2018 sprinkles
02/06/2018 oblox
03/08/2018 toxic2040
15/10/2018 Yefi
05/11/2018 mikenz
31/12/2018 melman2002
12/02/2019 FractalUniverse
21/04/2019 gentlemand
20/02/2020 romneymoney
18/12/2021 luckygenough56


Maybe because its This time of the year we make a small game Just to call 24777$ (CET) the one with the day of breaking This price wins .25 BTC
The list Will be Made after This post So When a date is taken iT can't been taken again
When the winning date is exactly in the middle of 2 each Will get .25
Oterwhise closest to the winning date wins

LIST MAKING ENDS 25-12-2017  @ 22.00 cet

SOME HAVE TAKEN A DATE THATS ALLREADY OCCUPIED      -fluidjax
                                                                                       -vito5
                                                                                       -Dotto
                                                                                       -Ibian
                                                                                       -Roombot
                                                                                       -
                                                                                       -
              TAKE DIFFRENT DATE PLEASE , THE DATES YOU GUYS PICKED WERE TAKEN

MANY PAGES BACK I POSTED THAT YOUR MINIMUM ACTIVITY NEEDS TO BE 50+ TO COME ON THE LIST! NO NEW ACCOUNTS GR

 Funny how this game mirrors Bitcoin.  The fee is 50+ to get confirmed.
Can I pretend to be Bcash and sell my spot to a user with less than 50 activity?
Never mind.  I'll fork off now.

[cAPSLOCK]

Any idea what is driving this selloff and volatility ?

Started tanking right after Adam admitted Blockstream employs an army of full-time paid shills.

https://twitter.com/adam3us/status/943876564856348673

#justsayin'

You seem to think the price is tanking because of a tweet from a person you disagree with?  

Well, no. I merely pointed out the time correlation. I said nothing about causation. What's the problem - reading or logic?

Nice ad-hom.  But to your question...  I reasonably thought you were implying causation as any logical person would...  If you were not implying causation then you are admitting to just being a full of shit troll.  Thanks for playing.

[Meuh6879]

Again !

[julian071]

14/3  for the 24777 predicition for me please.

[mike4001]

Well, we hit 16k for a short period.

Currently Hovering at 15,9k @bitcoinaverage.

Still don't think we get to 20k before New Year but I hope it stabilizes at arount 18k.

[free-bit.co.in]

Breaking 24777$ prediction game


27/12/2017 bikerleszno
30/12/2017 digithusiast
31/12/2017 Raja_MBZ
01/01/2018 elg
02/01/2018 wachtwoord
03/01/2018 JimboToronto
04/01/2018 d_eddie
05/01/2018 BTCMILLIONAIRE
06/01/2018 HanvanBitcoin
07/01/2018 ghandi

...

I will bet that Bitcoin will be 24777$ on 18/04/2018 !

Thanks @micgoossens for making this prediction game possible! Good luck to everyone!  

[Torque]

Tom Lee gets it:

Fundstrat's Tom Lee says he's a buyer of the bitcoin pullback, now sees more than 35% gains from here
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/22/fundstrats-tom-lee-says-hes-a-buyer-of-the-bitcoin-pullback.html

And hey Tom, I bought that dip too! Nailed it at $11,500.

[practicaldreamer]

Breaking 24777$ prediction game


27/12/2017 bikerleszno
30/12/2017 digithusiast
31/12/2017 Raja_MBZ
01/01/2018 elg
02/01/2018 wachtwoord
03/01/2018 JimboToronto
04/01/2018 d_eddie
05/01/2018 BTCMILLIONAIRE
06/01/2018 HanvanBitcoin
07/01/2018 ghandi

...

OK - I'll go with 16/04/2018. Thanks micgoossens.

[cAPSLOCK]

Fees are getting a bit better. Of course they would be much better if Coinbase and others used Segwit.

As soon as fees clear I am going to move every single bitcoin I have in cold storage to segwit addresses.

[cAPSLOCK]

I hate to burst your bubble but this is probably going down.

Proudhon is so much better at this...

[GrayFullbuster]

The dump is now over! Observe the price of the bitcoin in the coinmarketcap.com or in your blockfolio; the price is now finally increasing after the huge dump. I know that bitcoin will hit $20,000 per each before the month will end

[El duderino_]

Breaking 24777$ prediction game


27/12/2017 bikerleszno
29/12/2018 cAPSLOCK
30/12/2017 digithusiast
31/12/2017 Raja_MBZ
01/01/2018 elg
02/01/2018 wachtwoord
03/01/2018 JimboToronto
04/01/2018 d_eddie
05/01/2018 BTCMILLIONAIRE
06/01/2018 HanvanBitcoin
07/01/2018 ghandi
08/01/2018 savetherainforrest
09/01/2018 explorer
10/01/2018 bicoinpsycho
11/01/2018 Bitcoinaire
12/01/2018 speedwheel
13/01/2018 undeadbitcoiner
14/01/2018 northypole
15/01/2018 ivomm
16/01/2018 maca068
17/01/2018 bitcoinvest
18/01/2018 last of the v8s
19/01/2018 mfort312
20/01/2018 1982dre
21/01/2018 flamast2
22/01/2018 RealMachasm
23/01/2018 willope
24/01/2018 kartala
25/01/2018 orpington
26/01/2018 rolling
27/01/2018 LFC_bitcoin
28/01/2018 jojo69
29/01/2018 CristiTCM
30/01/2018 rayX12
31/01/2018 realsteelboy
01/02/2018 twocorn
02/02/2018 mancroofer
03/02/2018 True Myth
04/02/2018 poolminor
05/02/2018 itod
06/02/2018 scheptan
07/02/2018 vapourminer
08/02/2018 alexeft
09/02/2018 siert
10/02/2018 AlcoHoDL
11/02/2018 Dunkelheit667
12/02/2018 yonton
13/02/2018 Wekkel
14/02/2018 Thekool1s
15/02/2018 starmman
16/02/2018 Globb0
17/02/2018 leveldkrypto
18/02/2018 olesh
19/02/2018 BitCoinBurger
20/02/2018 Paashaas
21/02/2018 flynn
22/02/2018 icygreen
23/02/2018 erisdiscordia
24/02/2018 phil_s
25/02/2018 sirazimuth
26/02/2018 Arriemoller
27/02/2018 yonton
28/02/2018 Muttley
01/03/2018 bones261
02/03/2018 heater
03/03/2018 soullyG
05/03/2018 Notme
06/03/2018 sa_94
07/03/2018 NUFCrichard
08/03/2018 Imbatman
10/03/2018 STT
11/03/2018 badream
13/03/2018 erre
14/03/2018 julian071
15/03/2018 podyx
17/03/2018 fragout
18/03/2018 fabiorem
21/03/2018 dakustaking76
23/03/2018 nikauforest
31/03/2018 vroom
01/04/2018 somac.
02/04/2018 kurious
04/04/2018 fluidjax
05/04/2018 bitcoinbunny
10/04/2018 ludwigvon
11/04/2018 hairymaclairy
16/04/2018 practicaldreamer
18/04/2018 free-bit.co.in
27/04/2018 drbrockoin
01/05/2018 sprinkles
02/06/2018 oblox
07/07/2018 IntroVert
03/08/2018 toxic2040
15/10/2018 Yefi
05/11/2018 mikenz
31/12/2018 melman2002
12/02/2019 FractalUniverse
21/04/2019 gentlemand
20/02/2020 romneymoney
18/12/2021 luckygenough56


Maybe because its This time of the year we make a small game Just to call 24777$ (CET) the one with the day of breaking This price wins .25 BTC
The list Will be Made after This post So When a date is taken iT can't been taken again
When the winning date is exactly in the middle of 2 each Will get .25
Oterwhise closest to the winning date wins

LIST MAKING ENDS 25-12-2017  @ 22.00 cet

SOME HAVE TAKEN A DATE THATS ALLREADY OCCUPIED     
                                                                                       -vito5
                                                                                       -Dotto
                                                                                       -Ibian
                                                                                       -Roombot
                                                                                       -InvoKing
                                                                                       -
              TAKE DIFFRENT DATE PLEASE , THE DATES YOU GUYS PICKED WERE TAKEN

MANY PAGES BACK I POSTED THAT YOUR MINIMUM ACTIVITY NEEDS TO BE 50+ TO COME ON THE LIST! NO NEW ACCOUNTS GR

[Arriemoller]

Yeah, every trade is a taxable event to US persons. Whether that is buying coffee or litecoin. It is property according to the IRS.

Even if you thought you could get away with the like kind exchange rule, you still have to report every trade individually on the exemption form.

If it were classified as a stock, you could just report net gains and losses but not so with property.

They have made compliance nearly impossible so unless someone passes a law to exempt transactions prior to a certain date, a lot of people are going to owe back taxes and penalties if not jail time.

Simple solution: Become an expat.

Not so easy or simple, unfortunately. Have you heard of the Exit Tax? Capital gains are realized for high net worth individuals upon renouncing.

You still owe cap gains if you don't renounce and just expat. Unless you plan on just hiding and never setting foot in US again nor using any international banks cooperating with FinCen rules.

Puerto Rico offers tax free cap gains for residents, but you still owe on any gains realized up to the date you become a resident.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2017/02/27/renounce-u-s-heres-how-irs-computes-exit-tax/#45c8627287d4

No, I actually haven't heard of the exit tax. It does make sense to some degree, or at least it would if taxes were legitimate in the first place. But regardless of whether or not you'd choose to pay what you "owe" before renouncing, it still doesn't sound like anyone who expects any significant profits should be staying in the US any longer than absolutely necessary for whatever individual circumstances.

Agreed. However, I'm suspecting you're not married or have many close family relations in the US? The moment I brought up renouncing to my wife, and that she would need to apply for visas to visit family, friends, etc., well... you can imagine the response. Although she's warming up to it proportionally to crypto value.

Which begs the question, how much is US citizenship worth? A US passport gets you in a lot of places without visas or trouble. Attaining citizenship in another country takes time and often a good deal of (traceable, taxable) fiat. Although being stateless is an option, it's not recommended for long. You have no rights, anywhere.

I think you can buy New Zealand citizenship and that will get you anywhere US citizenship will.  You can go buy mountain in Queenstown with all the hedge fund billionaires.

New Zealand is a very nice place to live. Come on down.
https://www.newzealandnow.govt.nz/investing-in-nz/visas/investor-visa

What's the weather like in NZ?