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May 01, 2018, 02:45:03 PM
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It's you who need to be mobile not your fucking real estate!

And how much is that boat you posted? Several million dollars? You can instead have a handful of "modest" properties spread around the world for that much. *THAT* would be mobility.

No, really, how much is that boat? (not even considering fuel, maintenance, staff, etc...)

That boat is around $2 big*. It is nearly 20 meters long. Which is too big for many people I admit. Wouldn't be much of a trouble for a btc multimillionaire though.  Wink

You can get a bit smaller one (around 14-15meters) for a way cheaper price. Usually under $500k.

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https://www.theyachtmarket.com/boatsearchresults.aspx


* http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2018/Bavaria-C65-3111798/Southampton/United-Kingdom

Btw, you really don't need much fuel for these boats. They are built to cross oceans. Wind powa. Fuel is only needed for emergency situations and when you are entering/leaving the port/marina. Maintenance costs would fuck you up though. So does marina rents. Consider these as a rent to live in a mobile house.

All in all a 15 meters long boat is pretty manageable according to my calculations. Pretty doable. I need to hoard more bitcoins.  Grin
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May 01, 2018, 03:04:38 PM

That boat is around $2 big. It is nearly 20 meters long.

Since most of you people seem to be boat noobs, let me tell you how it works.  Around 34' is the smallest you would want to live on where you can get a stand up shower that you don't have to sit on the toilet to shower on.  Then around 40-42' is the longest you would want to go due to maintenance and dock fees skyrocketing for anything higher.  Also, a catamaran can net you DOUBLE dock fees due to taking up more than one slip due to being so wide.  So instead of $500 a month or whatever, it would be $1000 a month slip fees.

Having said that, most people would probably prefer a catamaran if you got the money; around $120k for a decent one you can live on vs as low as something like $20k for monohull you can live on.  I consider the vast majority of boats to be death traps, though.  I seem to recall reading about some brand new $300k+ Beneteau where the keel just fell off, instantly sinking the boat and killing the guy.  Something like that is not going to happen in a catamaran (since it doens't have a standard keel), but will flip easier.

The only reason all these monohulls are so cheap now is like I said, most people are shifting towards catamarans, so you can get a good deal on monohulls that seem to be going out of style.  I hear cats were the original boat design that evolved in the world with these Fiji-like island native people or whatever, but monohulls were better at carrying vast amounts of cargo like gold and silver.  Cats seem to be worse for crossing an ocean, though.  Most people do it in a minimum of a 40' monohull.
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May 01, 2018, 03:10:03 PM

 I seem to recall reading about some brand new $300k+ Beneteau where the keel just fell off, instantly sinking the boat and killing the guy.

The chances for that to happen again is the same as getting struck by a lightning on a sunny day.

Many people died because of faulty Tesla cars too. Do we say Tesla's are death traps?

You should never buy a $20k boat which is 20 years old though. That's a death trap.

Oh no! why did I unignore roach. daym.

Btw people are not shifting to catamarans. You are pulling from ass again. Monohulls are always the king shit.
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May 01, 2018, 03:19:51 PM
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 I seem to recall reading about some brand new $300k+ Beneteau where the keel just fell off, instantly sinking the boat and killing the guy.

The chances for that to happen again is the same as getting struck by a lightning on a sunny day.

Many people died because of faulty Tesla cars too. Do we say Tesla's are death traps?

You should never buy a $20k boat which is 20 years old though. That's a death trap.

Oh no! why did I unignore roach. daym.

Btw people are not shifting to catamarans. You are pulling from ass again. Monohulls are always the king shit.

Bullshit.  You're definitely not a good trader if you can't figure out the vast price discounts on monohulls is because demand for cats is higher.  If you have the money to do so, typically ANYONE would rather live on a nice cat than a nice monohull.  As for other monohull vs cat comparisons, I'm in the camp of thought where I'd rather be flipped upside down and clinging to the side of the boat rather than sinking to the bottom of the ocean and clinging to it there.  

There is a lot of dispute about cats as to which ones actually do float well or not while tipped over, though.  Some of the things seem like they only remain above water by an inch, possibly rendering it not useful as a lifeboat with waves constantly crashing over it.
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May 01, 2018, 03:25:45 PM

Hmm, real estate that is mobile...


That's part of why I'm interested in seasteading. I'm investing the amount in the Blue Frontiers currency what I would pay for a house (the only currency they will accept for seastead real estate). SEC won't let me say the value of that investment will go up but at least I won't have to worry about buying the limited currency down the road.

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I thought wood paneling went out of vogue with bell bottoms and Brylcreem...


Bell bottoms and Brylcreem are out of vogue?

I thought Brylcreem was so trendy that bitcoin cash based its logo on it.




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Hmm, real estate that is mobile...


That's part of why I'm interested in seasteading. I'm investing the amount in the Blue Frontiers currency what I would pay for a house (the only currency they will accept for seastead real estate). SEC won't let me say the value of that investment will go up but at least I won't have to worry about buying the limited currency down the road.

https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/5aa2bfb37dafe124008b458d-1136-568.jpg

Are you still trolling us with this seasteading thing?  The amount of effort to supply those things with electricity, water, and plumbing will be astronomical.  It's only a rich man's game in other words.  If you're already rich, you could just buy some beachfront property and not have to deal with those issues.  If you're broke, you would just get a regular boat to live on instead.  

So the r0ach cost benefit analysis is:  there is no viable demographic for this seasteading delusion unless it's a rich guy that just wants to do it for novelty purposes.  The state will still have full control over your property due to their claims on those waterways, so it doesn't accomplish anything there.  If you tried to do this out in international waters, like 200 miles out, you would be completely demolished by enormous waves, hurricanes, etc.  Hell, that will happen 1 mile out!
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Hmm, real estate that is mobile...


That's part of why I'm interested in seasteading. I'm investing the amount in the Blue Frontiers currency what I would pay for a house (the only currency they will accept for seastead real estate). SEC won't let me say the value of that investment will go up but at least I won't have to worry about buying the limited currency down the road.

https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/5aa2bfb37dafe124008b458d-1136-568.jpg

Are you still trolling us with this seasteading thing?  The amount of effort to supply those things with electricity, water, and plumbing will be astronomical.  It's only a rich man's game in other words.  If you're already rich, you could just buy some beachfront property and not have to deal with those issues.  If you're broke, you would just get a regular boat to live on instead.  

So the r0ach cost benefit analysis is:  there is no viable demographic for this seasteading delusion unless it's a rich guy that just wants to do it for novelty purposes.  The state will still have full control over your property due to their claims on those waterways, so it doesn't accomplish anything there.  If you tried to do this out in international waters, like 200 miles out, you would be completely demolished by enormous waves, hurricanes, etc.  Hell, that will happen 1 mile out!
"Are you still trolling us"  WTF
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Well, the "technology" for this so-called seasteading has already existed for a long time.  They're called oil rigs.  The cost to build one is pretty high, making this entirely a fantasy that only extremely rich people would do for novelty purposes.  His claim for reasoning to try this was to escape govt I think, so you would need to be way the fuck out in the ocean in international waters and require something as sturdy as an oil rig.
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May 01, 2018, 03:47:23 PM
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Hmm, real estate that is mobile...


That's part of why I'm interested in seasteading. I'm investing the amount in the Blue Frontiers currency what I would pay for a house (the only currency they will accept for seastead real estate). SEC won't let me say the value of that investment will go up but at least I won't have to worry about buying the limited currency down the road.

https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/5aa2bfb37dafe124008b458d-1136-568.jpg

Are you still trolling us with this seasteading thing?  The amount of effort to supply those things with electricity, water, and plumbing will be astronomical.  It's only a rich man's game in other words.  If you're already rich, you could just buy some beachfront property and not have to deal with those issues.  If you're broke, you would just get a regular boat to live on instead.  

So the r0ach cost benefit analysis is:  there is no viable demographic for this seasteading delusion unless it's a rich guy that just wants to do it for novelty purposes.  The state will still have full control over your property due to their claims on those waterways, so it doesn't accomplish anything there.  If you tried to do this out in international waters, like 200 miles out, you would be completely demolished by enormous waves, hurricanes, etc.  Hell, that will happen 1 mile out!
"Are you still trolling us"  WTF

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The state will still have full control over your property due to their claims on those waterways, so it doesn't accomplish anything there.
Blue Frontiers is in the process of establishing a Special Economic Zone (SEZ) in a protected lagoon in French Polynesia. A Seazone that will have autonomy economically but still have the military protection of the host nation. French Polynesia being the only nation we can publicly mention that we have an agreement with right now.

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The amount of effort to supply those things with electricity, water, and plumbing will be astronomical...If you're broke, you would just get a regular boat to live on instead.

hmm, so a floating platform in the water that does not need an engine to move or need to traverse the open ocean would require an astronomical effort while a boat that someone can live on is ok if you're broke...


Now, this pilot project phase is of course just the first phase. Phase 2 is 12nm out with more sovereignty and Phase 3 is the full 200nm international waters sovereignty. Each phase is required to enhance the engineering required to accomplish the task of having a floating city survive and thrive in their location. Though speculation about what the city will look like in international waters is a bit silly on a web forum before the pilot in a lagoon is even created, I would imagine some sort of energy generating breakwaters enclosing the whole city. But those are the discussions we will be having on the seastead where we learn from living, not on Internet forums.
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May 01, 2018, 03:50:58 PM

In other news, Zerohedge just discovered today:

"In the year 0000, the Jewish Bankers killed Jesus, "The Son of God", for his "End The FED" radicalism."

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I thought Brylcreem was so trendy that bitcoin cash based its logo on it.

Compare BCash with the other cheap imitations.



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The future's bitcoin.

Any analysis regarding whether bitcoin is gonna do a long bear market for 1-2 years, or is going to go sideways and/or upwards from here?
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You should never buy a $20k boat which is 20 years old though. That's a death trap.
Ahem. I did that, except it was 40 years old. It is also extremely seaworthy.
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May 01, 2018, 04:27:47 PM

The future's bright.



The future's bitcoin.

Any analysis regarding whether bitcoin is gonna do a long bear market for 1-2 years, or is going to go sideways and/or upwards from here?

Is that question really worth asking?
I mean it seams to me that no one has any idea what is going to happen. I am sure a lot of folk here would claim that they do know what is going on but I don't think I have seen any chart that has followed what BTC actually ended up doing.
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May 01, 2018, 04:30:52 PM

Good morning Bitcoinland.

Missed a few days but I see that the battle for $9k rages on... currently $8960USD/$11560CAD (Bitcoinaverage).

Seems we'll have to hit 5 digits before we can consider $9k a done deal.
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Heading back down to Mexico on Saturday to buy some more land. I hope I don't take the Bitcoin price south with me.
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 I seem to recall reading about some brand new $300k+ Beneteau where the keel just fell off, instantly sinking the boat and killing the guy.

The chances for that to happen again is the same as getting struck by a lightning on a sunny day.

Many people died because of faulty Tesla cars too. Do we say Tesla's are death traps?

You should never buy a $20k boat which is 20 years old though. That's a death trap.

Oh no! why did I unignore roach. daym.

Btw people are not shifting to catamarans. You are pulling from ass again. Monohulls are always the king shit.

We should make a yacht thread. I bet there would be plenty enough people on this forum interested in that.

I love the use of space on the new Najad 395. Enough room for the whole family on a <40 footer. And that Scandinavian quality. Be still my heart. No pictures of the 395 out on the water that I can find since it's so new, so ill just include a random picture of a 450.

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A 15 meter boat is Too Damn Big. If you can't handle it on your own, in a stiff breeze, don't even bother. If a 30 footer is too small for your crew, then better to get two boats instead.
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A 15 meter boat is Too Damn Big. If you can't handle it on your own, in a stiff breeze, don't even bother. If a 30 footer is too small for your crew, then better to get two boats instead.

See that's what I'm talking about. That sounds like a yes vote for a new thread! It seems like there are a surprising number of people here who are interested in yachts/boats.
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