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If the solution to global warming was "oh shit, looks like we'll need to shut down governments and implement anarcho-capitalism to save the planet"...then I might be more inclined to believe the scientists that are paid by the government.

When the solution to global warming (science funded by governments) is "we need to give more power to governments" makes a fella go...hmmm....

We need to set up some more bureaucracies to deal with climate change, comrade.

[bones261]

If the solution to global warming was "oh shit, looks like we'll need to shut down governments and implement anarcho-capitalism to save the planet"...then I might be more inclined to believe the scientists that are paid by the government.

When the solution to global warming (science funded by governments) is "we need to give more power to governments" makes a fella go...hmmm....

The governments are just hedging their power. After all, the governments are largely in control of the fossil fuels. Shoot, governments are largely in control of almost all forms of energy.
Nuclear: Government controlled.
Hydroelectric: Government controlled.
If you truly want to have a chance of freeing yourself from government control, your best bet is solar or wind. No matter how hard they try, I do not see governments having any power over the supply of the wind or sunshine. Unfortunately, the governments have funded research in those as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPVpMxVn6mk

[Paashaas]

What do we think of the Georgia Guidestones?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

Whoever conceived this crap should  put their money where their mouths are and start by ending their own cancerous existence.

What are your specific objections?

This:
1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.

Geting rid of 6.5B people just to keep the balance with nature...

The problem is this fiat debt slave system it effects everything in oure daily life. It serves the 1% ore a few families.

Bitcoin will disrupt the system, the world will be in a much better spot when we take the power away from them.

Making profits is nice but the real war is changing the system.

[Ibian]

What do we think of the Georgia Guidestones?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

Whoever conceived this crap should  put their money where their mouths are and start by ending their own cancerous existence.

What are your specific objections?

This:
1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.

Geting rid of 6.5B people just to keep the balance with nature...

The problem is this fiat debt slave system it effects everything in oure daily life. It serves the 1% ore a few families.

Bitcoin will disrupt the system, the world will be in a much better spot when we take the power away from them.

Making profits is nice but the real war is changing the system.

Well, it's a self-correcting problem. We can support 9 billion people, or whatever the number turns out to be. Which means we will go to 10 or 11, then the oceans will be fished dry and we will eat our seed crop, and billions of people will die. Still would be better if we found some less-bad solutions beforehand, but we won't.

[Searing]

If the solution to global warming was "oh shit, looks like we'll need to shut down governments and implement anarcho-capitalism to save the planet"...then I might be more inclined to believe the scientists that are paid by the government.

When the solution to global warming (science funded by governments) is "we need to give more power to governments" makes a fella go...hmmm...

the worst climate change possibilities may be much much worse...if methane as below gets released....much worse than carbon dioxide for climate change

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/arctic-methane-release-could-cost-60t/ Arctic melting would really dump methane into the atmosphere...


On any 'public' issue I am always skeptical of the 'we will lose money' argument for NO policy change....or long-term fix..planning..it..leads (to me) the current society 'blinders' of...we can do a 'short-term' fix someday....for any problem..social/economic/finance etc...eventually....kicking the can down the road is gonna hit a wall...just my rule of thumb on common social issues...

no hard choices...to me...means harder choices in the future ...with likely 'less time' and 'resources' to do so...

[Biodom]

General reminder that co2 is not a pollutant, comrade.

Not a pollutant for plants, they love it.
However, increasing Co2 does affect mental functions.
see graphs: 21% decrease in mental functions upon doubling of Co2 from 400ppm (now) to 800
https://www.advancedsciencenews.com/co2-on-the-brain-and-the-brain-on-co2

At some threshold yet to be defined but thought to be around a 1000 ppm, human cognition will begin to be negatively impacted. Latest research indicates we could attain this threshold outdoors in the next century, and the dissipation of CO2 in our atmosphere takes centuries.

Regardless on the "politically charged" question of what is causing it (the Co2 increase), if it increases, we will be progressively live in Idiocracy.
Sometimes I already feel it in talking to some people (not here).
Maybe, this is the Great Filter (a concept explaining the absence of visible super-civilizations a.k.a Fermi Paradox).

[jojo69]

I truly hope Jimbo caught these last two games.

Looks like they had a couple barn burners in a row up there.

[Ibian]

General reminder that co2 is not a pollutant, comrade.

Not a pollutant for plants, they love it.
However, increasing Co2 does affect mental functions.
see graphs: 21% decrease in mental functions upon doubling of Co2 from 400ppm (now) to 800
https://www.advancedsciencenews.com/co2-on-the-brain-and-the-brain-on-co2

At some threshold yet to be defined but thought to be around a 1000 ppm, human cognition will begin to be negatively impacted. Latest research indicates we could attain this threshold outdoors in the next century, and the dissipation of CO2 in our atmosphere takes centuries.

Regardless on the "politically charged" question of what is causing it (the Co2 increase), if it increases, we will be progressively live in Idiocracy.
Sometimes I already feel it in talking to some people (not here).
Maybe, this is the Great Filter (a concept explaining the absence of visible super-civilizations a.k.a Fermi Paradox).

Now you just need to explain how a doubling could possibly happen.

That's the damn problem with catastrophic predictions, if it is built on one thing that can't happen the whole thing falls apart.

[Elwar]

no hard choices...to me...means harder choices in the future ...with likely 'less time' and 'resources' to do so...

One hard choice would be for the government to pay off their $21 trillion debt.

The future consequences of that will be devastating. Only math deniers don't believe this.

[jojo69]

I have said before; the end of debt money will go a long way toward reigning in this 'grow or die' economy.

Lot of folks gonna' starve though.

[Anon136]

General reminder that co2 is not a pollutant, comrade.

Not a pollutant for plants, they love it.
However, increasing Co2 does affect mental functions.
see graphs: 21% decrease in mental functions upon doubling of Co2 from 400ppm (now) to 800
https://www.advancedsciencenews.com/co2-on-the-brain-and-the-brain-on-co2

At some threshold yet to be defined but thought to be around a 1000 ppm, human cognition will begin to be negatively impacted. Latest research indicates we could attain this threshold outdoors in the next century, and the dissipation of CO2 in our atmosphere takes centuries.

Regardless on the "politically charged" question of what is causing it (the Co2 increase), if it increases, we will be progressively live in Idiocracy.
Sometimes I already feel it in talking to some people (not here).
Maybe, this is the Great Filter (a concept explaining the absence of visible super-civilizations a.k.a Fermi Paradox).

Now you just need to explain how a doubling could possibly happen.

That's the damn problem with catastrophic predictions, if it is built on one thing that can't happen the whole thing falls apart.

You guys should ressurect this thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=374873.4300 it was a hoot. 200+ pages long too.

[RewFrew]

When you think you are right for 100% about something then your inner feelings about this are in peace and you dont have the needs to argue with opposants.

Arguing is showing you are not 100% sure.

The best you can do is sharing your thoughts for once or not sharing at all, as most ideas arents mathematics results like 1+1=2 .

This thread is 95% Bullshit talks that are out of bitcoin.

[Biodom]

General reminder that co2 is not a pollutant, comrade.

Not a pollutant for plants, they love it.
However, increasing Co2 does affect mental functions.
see graphs: 21% decrease in mental functions upon doubling of Co2 from 400ppm (now) to 800
https://www.advancedsciencenews.com/co2-on-the-brain-and-the-brain-on-co2

At some threshold yet to be defined but thought to be around a 1000 ppm, human cognition will begin to be negatively impacted. Latest research indicates we could attain this threshold outdoors in the next century, and the dissipation of CO2 in our atmosphere takes centuries.

Regardless on the "politically charged" question of what is causing it (the Co2 increase), if it increases, we will be progressively live in Idiocracy.
Sometimes I already feel it in talking to some people (not here).
Maybe, this is the Great Filter (a concept explaining the absence of visible super-civilizations a.k.a Fermi Paradox).

Now you just need to explain how a doubling could possibly happen.

That's the damn problem with catastrophic predictions, if it is built on one thing that can't happen the whole thing falls apart.

From the quoted article:

In a reported study, it was found that in a substantial number of poorly ventilated classrooms and workplaces, CO2 levels can average 1000 ppm, a significant proportion of these exceeded 2000 ppm and some even reached 3000 ppm.

Some are already affected, most likely.
Don't believe this, get a whiff of Co2 from the dry ice.
It helps to put things in perspective.

for the accelerated annual Co2 increase, check out the graph here:
https://e360.yale.edu/digest/co2-levels-continue-to-increase-at-record-rate

However, even at a steady 2% yearly increase (which is 33% less than in 2015) with no more acceleration, we would reach 800ppm in open air in about 35 years.

[greensheep]

It's not just food that matters, humans have a psychological need for space as well. The more people there are, the more we end up like Calhouns rats - dying from a lack of reproduction, even when the numbers start to drop after major dieoffs. The rodents never recovered, who is to say that we will?

I don't disagree. Let's start with the 2-child-max-per-couple rule and enforce that first.

Or a prohibition to breed if you have an IQ less than XYZ

[JayJuanGee]

A wee update, as of last night's action I have officially turned a 0.1 BTC profit using my cross-crypto J&J incremental strategy.

It is slow, but it works reliably.

Hahahahahaha...


I am glad that you can get some kind of bastardized version to work, because the key is to tailor a workable strategy to your own personal views and risks.. while attempting to approach it in a incremental manner....   We may have to add a couple more J's to the name,  and perhaps an E or two, too?

And, maybe there is no real risk of too many folks following such strategy - it's not like a zero sum game.... we can all win, because each of us will tailor the strategy in a slightly different way.

[Elwar]

It's not just food that matters, humans have a psychological need for space as well. The more people there are, the more we end up like Calhouns rats - dying from a lack of reproduction, even when the numbers start to drop after major dieoffs. The rodents never recovered, who is to say that we will?

I don't disagree. Let's start with the 2-child-max-per-couple rule and enforce that first.

Or a prohibition to breed if you have an IQ less than XYZ

In before:

Or a prohibition based on race.

[Searing]

As good a way as any...to look at price movement


http://www.8-ball-magic.com/index.php#anchor   Magic 8 Ball

[mymenace]

It's not just food that matters, humans have a psychological need for space as well. The more people there are, the more we end up like Calhouns rats - dying from a lack of reproduction, even when the numbers start to drop after major dieoffs. The rodents never recovered, who is to say that we will?

I don't disagree. Let's start with the 2-child-max-per-couple rule and enforce that first.

Or a prohibition to breed if you have an IQ less than XYZ

In before:

Or a prohibition based on race.

I could house 50 billion people in one of those big deserts.

Not only that, Energy, Water and food

Everyone gets a huge 4 bedroom apartment, with centralized farming on the ground and outer levels with solar energy galore, pumping desalinated water from the ocean to feed billions.


Ohh and terra form the planet to how we like, with Apartment trees I can replace desert with vegetation

[Ibian]

General reminder that co2 is not a pollutant, comrade.

Not a pollutant for plants, they love it.
However, increasing Co2 does affect mental functions.
see graphs: 21% decrease in mental functions upon doubling of Co2 from 400ppm (now) to 800
https://www.advancedsciencenews.com/co2-on-the-brain-and-the-brain-on-co2

At some threshold yet to be defined but thought to be around a 1000 ppm, human cognition will begin to be negatively impacted. Latest research indicates we could attain this threshold outdoors in the next century, and the dissipation of CO2 in our atmosphere takes centuries.

Regardless on the "politically charged" question of what is causing it (the Co2 increase), if it increases, we will be progressively live in Idiocracy.
Sometimes I already feel it in talking to some people (not here).
Maybe, this is the Great Filter (a concept explaining the absence of visible super-civilizations a.k.a Fermi Paradox).

Now you just need to explain how a doubling could possibly happen.

That's the damn problem with catastrophic predictions, if it is built on one thing that can't happen the whole thing falls apart.

From the quoted article:

In a reported study, it was found that in a substantial number of poorly ventilated classrooms and workplaces, CO2 levels can average 1000 ppm, a significant proportion of these exceeded 2000 ppm and some even reached 3000 ppm.

Some are already affected, most likely.
Don't believe this, get a whiff of Co2 from the dry ice.
It helps to put things in perspective.

for the accelerated annual Co2 increase, check out the graph here:
https://e360.yale.edu/digest/co2-levels-continue-to-increase-at-record-rate

However, even at a steady 2% yearly increase (which is 33% less than in 2015) with no more acceleration, we would reach 800ppm in open air in about 35 years.

Okay so you got nothing. We are not talking about underfunded fucking public schools here. Don't waste peoples time.

[vroom]

people believe in terraforming but climate change is a myth?