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Question: Price Target for Nov. 30, 2024:
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$85K to $90K - 7 (12.5%)
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December 31, 2013, 04:58:17 PM
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Bitstamp/Bitfinex is crazy. People will just randomly buy or dump 1000 coins at market and absorb massive slippage when they could have saved about $20 grand if they juat spent a little more time making their trade.

Could be just margin calls from finex
Out of nowhere in a stagnant market?
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December 31, 2013, 04:59:18 PM
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This is the mystical hedge fund rumor from yesterday:

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Bitcoinana: In September we discussed how SecondMarket had launched the first U.S.-based investment vehicle dedicated exclusively to Bitcoin, called The Bitcoin Investment Trust (beating out the Winklevii, who remain stuck in regulatory limbo). Now comes word that Fortress Investment Group is prepping its own Bitcoin fund, which likely will be much larger than the SecondMarket offering.

Details remain scarce, although there are some rumors that some info could be revealed tonight at the Bitcoin New Year’s Eve Bash down on Broad Street (yes, this is an actual thing). But it is worth noting that Fortress earlier this year acquired Koru Ventures, a provider of patent-backed loans to tech companies, in order to launch an IP finance group. Among Koru’s principals (and new Fortress employees) was Steven Waterhouse (ex-CTO of RPX Corp.), whose LinkedIn profile yesterday said that he had just become a partner on an unnamed Bitcoin fund. After I sent Waterhouse an email requesting more info – and also placing a call with Fortress – the Bitcoin mention disappeared from his LinkedIn page (replaced only with “TBD”).

My understanding, however, is that the Fortress effort will be something like a currency ETF (similar to Bitcoin Investment Trust), but that Fortress also may raise a separate vehicle to back Bitcoin-related startups. And there likely is some relationship to a new Bitcoin-related fund raised by Pantera Capital, a San Francisco-based hedge fund whose clients are known to include several Fortress executives. Pantera founder Dan Moorehead declined to discuss his Bitcoin efforts or relationship to Fortress – including if his effort and the Fortress fund were one in the same – but an SEC filing indicates that he already has raised around $150 million, and Pantera recently participated in a VC round for crypto-currency payment network Ripple Labs. Moreover, calls to Pantera’s main number are now met with a voicemail that only identifies the firm as “Pantera Bitcoin.”
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December 31, 2013, 05:02:28 PM
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December 31, 2013, 05:09:47 PM
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LOL, scary!
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December 31, 2013, 05:10:44 PM
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Does this make us all honorary members of the illuminati? If so that would be awesome!
Sign me up.

OMG ROFL I just received this email... Apparently Satoshi is a high ranking member of the illuminati! Or is the Illuminati!


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Ah, THAT explains it... Robert Williams? He's a singer in Greece! Seriously WTF???
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December 31, 2013, 05:12:42 PM
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I think it might even be better to have the triangle upside-down so as to fit in the valley between bids and asks
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December 31, 2013, 05:14:35 PM
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Does this make us all honorary members of the illuminati? If so that would be awesome!
Sign me up.

OMG ROFL I just received this email... Apparently Satoshi is a high ranking member of the illuminati! Or is the Illuminati!


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Dear concerned citizen,

The dark years of Illuminati are over.

Once on the brink of extinction, the secret society has powerfully re-emerged in the United States.

In fact, it now wields more power than ever.

As founder of a major publication, Wall Street Daily, I can say the following with absolute conviction....

Illuminati was behind every consequential wealth event of the past year.

Its biggest coup was the emergence of bitcoin. (Crypto-currencies have always been the classic signature of Illuminati.)

Please be warned...

Illuminati's next bombshell will be even bigger.

It's scheduled to hit America in January.

While the public desperately waits for the dust to settle...

Illuminati members will get even richer.

To access the full Illuminati Report, including details of its next bombshell, click the link below.

Yes, I'd like to access the Illuminati Report.

Happy New Year,


Robert Williams
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Ah, THAT explains it... Robert Williams? He's a singer in Greece! Seriously WTF???

wtf why did you leak this, this is for honorary members of the illuminati's eyes only.

 Cheesy
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December 31, 2013, 05:14:47 PM
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Somebody dumps 500coins at gox, nobody gives a fuck, and people buy a bit more @ market, love it!

Edit, or its the same guy trying to get the bids filled op? manipulation?! Tongue
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December 31, 2013, 05:15:22 PM
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All my alarms just went off.

Did someone just dump a fortune?
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December 31, 2013, 05:18:25 PM
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All my alarms just went off.

Did someone just dump a fortune?

What kind of alarms do you use?
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December 31, 2013, 05:18:53 PM
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http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1u3nwt/fortress_is_forming_a_bitcoin_fund/



Aaaand speculate Shocked
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December 31, 2013, 05:19:22 PM
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All my alarms just went off.

Did someone just dump a fortune?

~500 coins at Gox. Nobody gave a fuck.
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December 31, 2013, 05:21:11 PM
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All my alarms just went off.

Did someone just dump a fortune?

What kind of alarms do you use?

I'm using a script I made to send myself mails and also the Bitcoin Paranoid app on my Android.
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December 31, 2013, 05:21:52 PM
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Here is Fortune's article: http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2013/12/31/fortress-is-forming-a-bitcoin-fund/
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December 31, 2013, 05:23:20 PM
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For a moment there I thought you meant bitcointalk's tradefortress...

I was thinking... who is gonna trust him in a fund?? lol...
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December 31, 2013, 05:23:59 PM
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Are these charts up to date? http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/volumepie/
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December 31, 2013, 05:25:11 PM
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More merchants make for more money flow.  So yes It is bullish, even if you disagree.
A merchant converting to fiat does not reduce that flow, it just doesn't add to it as much as when the merchant uses it in their supply chain.  Then it increases the flow further.  It is a difference between a +1 and a +2 not the difference between a 0 and a +1.

The relevant equation for valuation is PQ = MV.  Learn it, love it, live it.  To determine the value of the money supply (the circulating funds, not the total theoretical supply, thank you Gresham) M=PQ/V.  The higher the velocity of money, the lower the value of each monetary unit.  The intuitive explanation is that the more things you can buy with a unit, the less the unit is worth.  Re-using the same unit means that it buys more stuff.  Of course this is only true once money velocity achieves orbit, but after that it is certainly and always true.  It is similar to the ideal gas law in that respect (and in many other respects).


My intuition about M=PQ/V disagrees with your characterization.

The higher V, the smaller M (the total money supply).  Smaller M means less money in circulation, means each individual unit is more valuable.

Of course, you can't just change V and keep PQ constant, so it's pretty much just an academic exercise to consider.
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December 31, 2013, 05:25:48 PM
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For a moment there I thought you meant bitcointalk's tradefortress...

I was thinking... who is gonna trust him in a fund?? lol...

Lol thought the same at first.

This shit is getting really serious fast...
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December 31, 2013, 05:26:23 PM
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Happy new year everyone. Wether you are a bear or a bull. :p


From a half bear/half bull. (Trader)
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December 31, 2013, 05:26:49 PM
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Are these charts up to date? http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/volumepie/


They probably are but mean nothing if the chinese data is not reliable.
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