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January 04, 2014, 03:24:55 AM
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400 BTC buy wall on stamp not even causing a single panic buy
ha!

also Voodah you suddenly turned bearish?

edit: FTC is garbage adam! lol only coins with innovation will succeed IMO

triggered a lil gox dump
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January 04, 2014, 03:26:04 AM
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This overnight move has legs.   We are in a major resistance zone though price action hasn't indicated it's respecting that yet.  We are also running into upper channel lines so we may have some consolidation in this area before moving higher



i find the method which you use to draw channel bounds both arbitrary and weak in terms of model robustness...
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January 04, 2014, 03:31:03 AM
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Touched 861 on gox. SELL SELL SELL!!!
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January 04, 2014, 03:31:17 AM
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FTC is garbage adam! lol only coins with innovation will succeed IMO

Historically markets don't necessarily respond to innovation (cf Betamax vs VHS, browser wars etc) - it comes down to people and FTC has an active community...have you checked out their forum or actually spoken to Chris?
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January 04, 2014, 03:31:47 AM
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400 BTC buy wall on stamp not even causing a single panic buy
ha!

also Voodah you suddenly turned bearish?

edit: FTC is garbage adam! lol only coins with innovation will succeed IMO

Only in the very short term.

If it doesn't happen in the next few days or couple weeks at most, it won't happen at all.

I'm just trying to be careful.
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January 04, 2014, 03:33:12 AM
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400 BTC buy wall on stamp not even causing a single panic buy
ha!

also Voodah you suddenly turned bearish?

edit: FTC is garbage adam! lol only coins with innovation will succeed IMO

Only in the very short term.

If it doesn't happen in the next few days or couple weeks at most, it won't happen at all.

I'm just trying to be careful.

This is smart. I concur.
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January 04, 2014, 03:37:17 AM
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FTC is garbage adam! lol only coins with innovation will succeed IMO

Historically markets don't necessarily respond to innovation (cf Betamax vs VHS, browser wars etc) - it comes down to people and FTC has an active community...have you checked out their forum or actually spoken to Chris?

I honestly used to root for FTC and be pretty involved with the community. that was until XPM and QRK came on the scene which made me realize how worthless FTC is. FTC is literally the exact same as LTC with 4 times more coins and horrible branding. Im sure it will do well (rise in price because BTC pulls it up) but I don't hold any
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January 04, 2014, 03:41:47 AM
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Touched 861 on gox. SELL SELL SELL!!!

relax were not even close to the selling pressure of the good ol' December Friday's
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January 04, 2014, 03:45:32 AM
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the last 20 or so sundays with about 4 exceptions are red candles.

edit: I really, really take that back. I just looked through and realised how incorrect that statement is. lol. Maybe about 60% red candles.
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January 04, 2014, 03:49:40 AM
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the last 20 or so sundays with about 4 exceptions are red candles.

edit: I really, really take that back. I just looked through and realised how incorrect that statement is. lol. Maybe about 60% red candles.

60%? Don't let MBatc hear you.
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January 04, 2014, 03:49:46 AM
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Maybe about 60% red candles.
a.k.a barely distinguishable from random chance.
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January 04, 2014, 03:50:42 AM
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Maybe about 60% red candles.
a.k.a barely distinguishable from random chance.

Not when you compare it to the other days of the week. The last 20 have been in a bull market. What's the % for Saturday I wonder?
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January 04, 2014, 03:51:17 AM
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Maybe about 60% red candles.
a.k.a barely distinguishable from random chance.

yes, many saturdays too though. i genuinely believe the weekend dip theory holds a little weight. that's not to say i'll be selling a single btc!

Maybe about 60% red candles.
a.k.a barely distinguishable from random chance.

Not when you compare it to the other days of the week. The last 20 have been in a bull market. What's the % for Saturday I wonder?

saturdays are about the same as sundays. defo worse. and the first bubble pop post 1k prices was on sunday.
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January 04, 2014, 03:55:26 AM
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It absolutely holds "some" weight.
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January 04, 2014, 03:56:00 AM
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FTC is garbage adam! lol only coins with innovation will succeed IMO

Historically markets don't necessarily respond to innovation (cf Betamax vs VHS, browser wars etc) - it comes down to people and FTC has an active community...have you checked out their forum or actually spoken to Chris?

I honestly used to root for FTC and be pretty involved with the community. that was until XPM and QRK came on the scene which made me realize how worthless FTC is. FTC is literally the exact same as LTC with 4 times more coins and horrible branding. Im sure it will do well (rise in price because BTC pulls it up) but I don't hold any
I think you have to realise that most people struggle with the concept of crypto and how BTC can be 'money'....when I talk to most people I know about BTC (admittedly I'm probably older than most here, so its an older cohort) they struggle and ask 'but how can it be money'.  

So, the mass market is not going to be bothered about innovations that XPM or QRK offer.  They will want something simple and fair play to the FTC mob they do realise this.
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January 04, 2014, 04:10:21 AM
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Tomorrow there will be a weekend low and that will be the best time to buy. Next week will test new levels of resistance.

Brave words...I'll make a note.

Please do. I haven't been wrong about a specific call I've posted on here yet.
Oh, come now. No one takes that condescending bullshit seriously.

I recall one post specifically because it was in response to me, when price was just over $200 in October.

I would bet we don't end the year more than $20 up or down from where we are today.

Then I thought, let's have a look.

I do not see a lot of investment coming in during the holidays. Certainly not to push us up another $55-60 in the next 2 months. Especially since there are still some people who would just be happy to break even from the April crash, even more so during the holidays.

I don't think we will see ATHs until 2014.

It will be institutional investors that eventually get us to $1000+.  Mom and pop can get us to new highs, but the BTC markets need billions of new capital investments into its coffers to get to 4 digits and beyond.

[...]

I still think this is probably at least over a year away.

I would not expect us to break above 266 before mid December or into the new year. If we do, we are probably headed for another sizeable dip.

There really is no resistance for a loooong time after $1000. $1500 maybe, but $2000 really is the next resistance after that. And 10000 cyn which is about $1630. Have some serious resistance there.

So all of you hoping for $400-$500 coins better prey some big hands come in and bust resistance downward. Otherwise, $600 is probably the best you will see in this rally.

3 days before the move to capitulation:
After studying these markets daily, I believe I have a pretty good pulse on where things are going. Here are my 2 cents currently.

There is a groundswell of buying pressure sitting off to the sidelines and its growing. Its growing for 2 reasons. First, most traders are not 100% bitcoin at the moment. Just look on this mostly bullish forum. Most of us are partly fiat right now. We have $$$ sitting on the sidelines. Second,
there is a lot of new money coming into the exchanges that are not buying right away. That is why the bid sum is increasing. People want to invest, but do not necessarily want to invest if the price is going to go lower.

So every possible mid term scenario (minus a catastrophic one, which always exists) has one final result - an strong upswing in which the money is forced to come back into the market. This will eventually cause another large rally. To where, I do not know. But it is coming.

I think there are 3 near/mid term scenarios. I will list them most unlikely to most likely.

A.  Incredibly bullish news spurns the market upward suddenly forcing the money on the sidelines back in causing a new huge rally. 

B. The market consolidates where it is (around $900) for 1-4/5 weeks. This would be the most bullish scenario and would be similar to the consolidation around $120-$130 a few months ago.

C. The market ebbs sideways and downward over the holidays as the holiday season wins the news cycles and people hold off on investing and sending more funds to markets.  In this scenario, we DO NOT reach another low past the $600ish already established. This would be very similar to the April rally where people expected it to test the low of $50s but it only got to $66, because everyone wanted to buy low.

I think C is most likely given the holidays. We will trend sideways to down, we will start a slow upswing sometime before $600. Somewhere from Dec. 30th to Jan. 31st that upswing will gain momentum and by sometime in February we will be in full fledge rally mode again. I also think this scenario could happen before February as well.

The best you can hope for is a sideways to downward movement lasting 2-6 weeks, but never going below $600. Thats best case scenario for you.

Just like I said, we may go lower but we are not going lower than 600 because everyone is watching there.

And the underlining mood of this market is bullish.  Eventually we are going to hit a price where the money on the sideline says this is low enough. Then after the holidays when more institutional money comes in away we will go.

Or alternately we will go up anytime because honey badger don't give a SHIT.

If you see a downtrend that gets heavy resistance before $600 you should buy.

There is way too muchl money sitting on the sidelines for the market to fall far. And when it comes back in he market will have established its floor.

Most people are looking at 600 the same way they did 50. So on a down trend I would expect the buying to start between $620-$700.

We made a higher low on 12-20 and have not revisited it. You said:
Look. I hear you. I actually agree with most of what you said. However, as much as it gets blasted TA is very effective in calling patterns. And technically speaking we have at least 1 more leg down. I might not make new lows, but still, it would be shocking if it did not happen.

What are your thoughts regarding this now:
I think we hang out in a $20-$40 range for a bit before testing the ATHs early next year, but that doesn't mean even 2014 want see some days (or hours) under 150.

It seems your views have changed. Were you right then, or right now?
We are already seeing an issue with people not wanting to invest at $200. I think the psychological challenges of the cost of a single bitcoin for a potential new investor will dampen the market to a degree. Unless we see the exchanges moving to a lower denomination than BTC, I think our growth from here on out will not be exponential. I could see us at $500-$1000 next year best case scenario. However, as the price rises, the growth curve will be dampened, no doubt.
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January 04, 2014, 04:21:31 AM
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Tomorrow there will be a weekend low and that will be the best time to buy. Next week will test new levels of resistance.

Brave words...I'll make a note.

Please do. I haven't been wrong about a specific call I've posted on here yet.
Oh, come now. No one takes that condescending bullshit seriously.

I recall one post specifically because it was in response to me, when price was just over $200 in October.

I would bet we don't end the year more than $20 up or down from where we are today.

Then I thought, let's have a look.

I do not see a lot of investment coming in during the holidays. Certainly not to push us up another $55-60 in the next 2 months. Especially since there are still some people who would just be happy to break even from the April crash, even more so during the holidays.

I don't think we will see ATHs until 2014.

It will be institutional investors that eventually get us to $1000+.  Mom and pop can get us to new highs, but the BTC markets need billions of new capital investments into its coffers to get to 4 digits and beyond.

[...]

I still think this is probably at least over a year away.

I would not expect us to break above 266 before mid December or into the new year. If we do, we are probably headed for another sizeable dip.

There really is no resistance for a loooong time after $1000. $1500 maybe, but $2000 really is the next resistance after that. And 10000 cyn which is about $1630. Have some serious resistance there.

So all of you hoping for $400-$500 coins better prey some big hands come in and bust resistance downward. Otherwise, $600 is probably the best you will see in this rally.

3 days before the move to capitulation:
After studying these markets daily, I believe I have a pretty good pulse on where things are going. Here are my 2 cents currently.

There is a groundswell of buying pressure sitting off to the sidelines and its growing. Its growing for 2 reasons. First, most traders are not 100% bitcoin at the moment. Just look on this mostly bullish forum. Most of us are partly fiat right now. We have $$$ sitting on the sidelines. Second,
there is a lot of new money coming into the exchanges that are not buying right away. That is why the bid sum is increasing. People want to invest, but do not necessarily want to invest if the price is going to go lower.

So every possible mid term scenario (minus a catastrophic one, which always exists) has one final result - an strong upswing in which the money is forced to come back into the market. This will eventually cause another large rally. To where, I do not know. But it is coming.

I think there are 3 near/mid term scenarios. I will list them most unlikely to most likely.

A.  Incredibly bullish news spurns the market upward suddenly forcing the money on the sidelines back in causing a new huge rally. 

B. The market consolidates where it is (around $900) for 1-4/5 weeks. This would be the most bullish scenario and would be similar to the consolidation around $120-$130 a few months ago.

C. The market ebbs sideways and downward over the holidays as the holiday season wins the news cycles and people hold off on investing and sending more funds to markets.  In this scenario, we DO NOT reach another low past the $600ish already established. This would be very similar to the April rally where people expected it to test the low of $50s but it only got to $66, because everyone wanted to buy low.

I think C is most likely given the holidays. We will trend sideways to down, we will start a slow upswing sometime before $600. Somewhere from Dec. 30th to Jan. 31st that upswing will gain momentum and by sometime in February we will be in full fledge rally mode again. I also think this scenario could happen before February as well.

The best you can hope for is a sideways to downward movement lasting 2-6 weeks, but never going below $600. Thats best case scenario for you.

Just like I said, we may go lower but we are not going lower than 600 because everyone is watching there.

And the underlining mood of this market is bullish.  Eventually we are going to hit a price where the money on the sideline says this is low enough. Then after the holidays when more institutional money comes in away we will go.

Or alternately we will go up anytime because honey badger don't give a SHIT.

If you see a downtrend that gets heavy resistance before $600 you should buy.

There is way too muchl money sitting on the sidelines for the market to fall far. And when it comes back in he market will have established its floor.

Most people are looking at 600 the same way they did 50. So on a down trend I would expect the buying to start between $620-$700.

We made a higher low on 12-20 and have not revisited it. You said:
Look. I hear you. I actually agree with most of what you said. However, as much as it gets blasted TA is very effective in calling patterns. And technically speaking we have at least 1 more leg down. I might not make new lows, but still, it would be shocking if it did not happen.

What are your thoughts regarding this now:
I think we hang out in a $20-$40 range for a bit before testing the ATHs early next year, but that doesn't mean even 2014 want see some days (or hours) under 150.

It seems your views have changed. Were you right then, or right now?
We are already seeing an issue with people not wanting to invest at $200. I think the psychological challenges of the cost of a single bitcoin for a potential new investor will dampen the market to a degree. Unless we see the exchanges moving to a lower denomination than BTC, I think our growth from here on out will not be exponential. I could see us at $500-$1000 next year best case scenario. However, as the price rises, the growth curve will be dampened, no doubt.

That's hilarious...nice work. Grin Shocked

Perhaps 'Windy' should approach the UK govt...they have an energy crisis at present...all that hot air could heat Britain. Wink Cheesy
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January 04, 2014, 04:31:00 AM
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Tread lightly. A lot of signals have been triggered on lower time charts, and LTC has diverged.

If Gox falls below 861 we are going a leg down. Might even be the so awaited final capitulation.

Ok. I don't suppose it will be the DIP THAT HAPPENS THIS TIME EVERY WEEK, would it?

Tomorrow there will be a weekend low and that will be the best time to buy. Next week will test new levels of resistance.
The "weekend dip" does not always happen. Not at all.

It has the last couple of weekends, the holiday weekends, which we are basically still in. I am actually a little more bullish for this weekend than the last two however.
The "weekend dip" myth has been around a long, long time.

Its not a myth when it happens. And during the holiday it has happened. People taking advantage of low trading, skeptical about the rally, no new fiat, etc. etc. etc.

Anyway, it happened the last two weekends and it looks like it might be happening right now.
On a sample set of what, 3 or 4? Maybe a back test is in order. But I think I have seen this conversation before....

Saying that it happens every weekend is no worse than saying it doesn't happen more frequently on weekends given certain conditions.
What are you saying, specifically?

What did you not comprehend exactly?

You are saying that the market does not always go down on the weekend. Duh. That's an obvious truth to most of us I believe. However, the market is more likely to go down on the weekend than on any random weekday, a trend that has been evident the last 2 HOLIDAY weekends. Since this is another HOLIDAY weekend (imo) then there is a possibility that it will go down again.

Just ask Voodah - hell, he thinks its going to be a full capitulation. lol

I swear, I have extremists on both sides of me.
What I did not comprehend was why you went from stating the "weekend dip" as virtual fact to stating some meaningless, ambiguous statement that addressed nothing I said.

Based on your sample set of 2, I would go out on limb and say there should be no discussion of the "weekend dip." First, let's establish that such a thing exists, using a less pathetic data set.

No your silly pseudo scientific mind assumed that since I said they weekend dip theory was not a myth, that I held that it was a constant. That was your false assumption.

Let me state more clearly for you. The market on average does not perform as well on weekends.

If you want to disprove that then go fetch the data set of the last 26 weeks and show us otherwise.



You said, "I don't suppose it will be the DIP THAT HAPPENS THIS TIME EVERY WEEK, would it?" The suggestion was pretty clear. Then, I simply asserted that the "weekend dip" as a trading rule is a myth, and that your data set is lacking to make any claims on the subject -- that burden is on you, not me. Never mind that your data points follow a massive bull run and subsequent crash/correction. I suggested nothing about constants. That would be ridiculous. You said, "Its not a myth when it happens."

The relevant question that I was addressing is whether one should generally trade based on the "weekend dip." I would assert not. After all -- thank you for dickishly pointing out what we are all aware of -- this is about probabilities and risk/reward.

This condescension just makes you look like an asshat. Now I remember why I keep your posts hidden.
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January 04, 2014, 04:31:34 AM
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FTC is garbage adam! lol only coins with innovation will succeed IMO

Historically markets don't necessarily respond to innovation (cf Betamax vs VHS, browser wars etc) - it comes down to people and FTC has an active community...have you checked out their forum or actually spoken to Chris?

I honestly used to root for FTC and be pretty involved with the community. that was until XPM and QRK came on the scene which made me realize how worthless FTC is. FTC is literally the exact same as LTC with 4 times more coins and horrible branding. Im sure it will do well (rise in price because BTC pulls it up) but I don't hold any

weather BTC LTC FTC  XPM QRK  DOGE PPC , next ''innovative" coin, wtv, the fact remains its value is in it utility so its about a solid community actively developing the infrastructure, promoting and using the coin.

idk if FTC has the best community / dev team

i poke around on their forums sometimes and i like what i see.

anyway i think its likely BTC LTC FTC XPM QRK  PPC AND DOGE  will all hold its value and often rally against the dollar.

their have been 1000's of shitcoin and these ones stand out
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January 04, 2014, 04:43:23 AM
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anyway i think its likely BTC LTC FTC XPM QRK  PPC AND DOGE  will all hold its value and often rally against the dollar.

their have been 1000's of shitcoin and these ones stand out

All those coins have no utility features that Bitcoin doesn't have. Different hashing algorithms and encryption are cool, but if all those coin's main purpose is to be a currency, Bitcoin already runs that street.

If you want innovative coins, you need to look at BTC (of course), MSC, NXT, eMunie. I think those 3 have the most promise, even if MSC and NXT are labeled as "premined"
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