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January 04, 2014, 05:41:52 AM
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Why do people dump now? How do they think? "Well the price is going up, lets quickly dump before i make more money by putting up a sell order around 900"?

the people who are dumping now are the ones who bought coins before we took off and are taking profits (out of the pockets of those who bought coins during the rally itself).

Great. Now read my post again.

list of things (partially logically sequential order) that ought to have been implicitly understood from my post but apparently were not:

a) these traders may be content with the profits they have made, and simply have reached their own price point (daytraders, as adam suggests)

b) these traders may not be bullish enough to see $900 as a viable short-term target.

c) these traders are pricing in their bearish sentiment by taking profits now, preferably before other doubtful, impatient traders do the same, which creates a feedback loop which can prevent us from reaching $900 at all.

d) mutual knowledge of (c) and a short-term bearish sentiment causes the price to correct slightly and stabilise slightly underneath $900.

e) most traders think they will not make money by putting up a sell order around $900.

f) feedback loop continues.
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January 04, 2014, 05:41:59 AM
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Why do people dump now? How do they think? "Well the price is going up, lets quickly dump before i make more money by putting up a sell order around 900"?

the people who are dumping now are the ones who bought coins before we took off and are taking profits (out of the pockets of those who bought coins during the rally itself).

Great. Now read my post again.
hes right... day traders might be dumping profits right about here

but, no one is really dumping... the market appears safe, i think we can rally to 900 in a few days time.

Isn't it a little early to make that judgment? All the supports are pretty much crippled.
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January 04, 2014, 05:48:39 AM
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Why do people dump now? How do they think? "Well the price is going up, lets quickly dump before i make more money by putting up a sell order around 900"?

the people who are dumping now are the ones who bought coins before we took off and are taking profits (out of the pockets of those who bought coins during the rally itself).

Great. Now read my post again.

list of things (partially logically sequential order) that ought to have been implicitly understood from my post but apparently were not:

a) these traders may be content with the profits they have made, and simply have reached their own price point (daytraders, as adam suggests)

b) these traders may not be bullish enough to see $900 as a viable short-term target.

c) these traders are pricing in their bearish sentiment by taking profits now, preferably before other doubtful, impatient traders do the same, which creates a feedback loop which can prevent us from reaching $900 at all.

d) mutual knowledge of (c) and a short-term bearish sentiment causes the price to correct slightly and stabilise slightly underneath $900.

e) most traders think they will not make money by putting up a sell order around $900.

f) feedback loop continues.

I had to understand this from your post? Well, i guess i'm really stupid then. Thanks anyway.
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January 04, 2014, 05:57:07 AM
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list of things (partially logically sequential order) that ought to have been implicitly understood from my post but apparently were not:

a) these traders may be content with the profits they have made, and simply have reached their own price point (daytraders, as adam suggests)

b) these traders may not be bullish enough to see $900 as a viable short-term target.

c) these traders are pricing in their bearish sentiment by taking profits now, preferably before other doubtful, impatient traders do the same, which creates a feedback loop which can prevent us from reaching $900 at all.

d) mutual knowledge of (c) and a short-term bearish sentiment causes the price to correct slightly and stabilise slightly underneath $900.

e) most traders think they will not make money by putting up a sell order around $900.

f) feedback loop continues.

I had to understand this from your post? Well, i guess i'm really stupid then. Thanks anyway.

i don't mean to be condescending but it seemed silly to ask why everybody didn't park their sell orders at $900. it's almost a tautology to say that it is because many traders apparently did not think that we would see that price in the short-term and decided to take profits while they could. the quoted list is a brief explanation of the kind of feedback loop that describes the game-theoretic competition that drives the actions of most market participants, in all price environments. if you don't understand this then you don't understand a fundamental aspect of price behavior, and it was summed up in the phrase "profit-taking".

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January 04, 2014, 06:02:05 AM
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Zynga taking BTC on some of there games:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1udclz/zynga_launches_bitcoin_test_with_bitpay/


A possible promotional idea for bitcoin would be to head on down to a site like:

http://www.zyngaplayerforums.com/forum.php (google search for other popluar zynga groups)

And offer to buy something for them in their game. It will likely be their first exposure to Bitcoin and they might like how easy it is. It will also spread awareness inside the zynga community and perhaps they may get a subset of bitcoiners there! If the community grows the news and other companies will follow. Think of it as spending a few dollars each to grow the bitcoin economy.
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January 04, 2014, 06:02:27 AM
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January 04, 2014, 06:07:14 AM
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Why do people dump now? How do they think? "Well the price is going up, lets quickly dump before i make more money by putting up a sell order around 900"?

the people who are dumping now are the ones who bought coins before we took off and are taking profits (out of the pockets of those who bought coins during the rally itself).

Great. Now read my post again.
hes right... day traders might be dumping profits right about here

but, no one is really dumping... the market appears safe, i think we can rally to 900 in a few days time.

Isn't it a little early to make that judgment? All the supports are pretty much crippled.

we will see

1000$ is a nice target top if you ask me

i've been selling,i think you'd would get me to sell 1 more at 1000$.... money i love it  Tongue, everyone knows i'd love to see the price drop to 520.1001 but i feel the bullishness! no market moves like bitcoin.... i was still doing countdowns at 800-900 because fuck bitcoin might just be the best performing asset in the world every year for the next 30years!
don;t no one know where the "top" will be... THERE IS NO SPOON!

5% of gold MAY BE trying to quietly buy up alll the bitcoin as we speak!

fuck man why did i sell.....

 lol!
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January 04, 2014, 06:20:10 AM
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35 mins since an F---ing block...


Sometimes I wish I only used LTC...

no block on ghash.io for 2 hours, and it is 3.84 Ph/s pool
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January 04, 2014, 06:32:30 AM
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Why do people dump now? How do they think? "Well the price is going up, lets quickly dump before i make more money by putting up a sell order around 900"?

the people who are dumping now are the ones who bought coins before we took off and are taking profits (out of the pockets of those who bought coins during the rally itself).

Great. Now read my post again.
hes right... day traders might be dumping profits right about here

but, no one is really dumping... the market appears safe, i think we can rally to 900 in a few days time.

Isn't it a little early to make that judgment? All the supports are pretty much crippled.

we will see

1000$ is a nice target top if you ask me

i've been selling,i think you'd would get me to sell 1 more at 1000$.... money i love it  Tongue, everyone knows i'd love to see the price drop to 520.1001 but i feel the bullishness! no market moves like bitcoin.... i was still doing countdowns at 800-900 because fuck bitcoin might just be the best performing asset in the world every year for the next 30years!
don;t no one know where the "top" will be... THERE IS NO SPOON!

5% of gold MAY BE trying to quietly buy up alll the bitcoin as we speak!

fuck man why did i sell.....

 lol!

because you want more of the amazing thing you just described

edit: so bitcoin was hands down the best investment of 2013, thinking weed will be the best investment of 2014 http://rt.com/usa/marijuana-stock-soars-colorado-million-162/ Smiley
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January 04, 2014, 07:07:39 AM
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Why do people dump now? How do they think? "Well the price is going up, lets quickly dump before i make more money by putting up a sell order around 900"?

the people who are dumping now are the ones who bought coins before we took off and are taking profits (out of the pockets of those who bought coins during the rally itself).

Great. Now read my post again.
hes right... day traders might be dumping profits right about here

but, no one is really dumping... the market appears safe, i think we can rally to 900 in a few days time.

Isn't it a little early to make that judgment? All the supports are pretty much crippled.

we will see

1000$ is a nice target top if you ask me

i've been selling,i think you'd would get me to sell 1 more at 1000$.... money i love it  Tongue, everyone knows i'd love to see the price drop to 520.1001 but i feel the bullishness! no market moves like bitcoin.... i was still doing countdowns at 800-900 because fuck bitcoin might just be the best performing asset in the world every year for the next 30years!
don;t no one know where the "top" will be... THERE IS NO SPOON!

5% of gold MAY BE trying to quietly buy up alll the bitcoin as we speak!

fuck man why did i sell.....

 lol!

because you want more of the amazing thing you just described

edit: so bitcoin was hands down the best investment of 2013, thinking weed will be the best investment of 2014 http://rt.com/usa/marijuana-stock-soars-colorado-million-162/ Smiley
one can invent in weed?? lol thats so cool!
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January 04, 2014, 07:13:38 AM
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Why do people dump now? How do they think? "Well the price is going up, lets quickly dump before i make more money by putting up a sell order around 900"?

the people who are dumping now are the ones who bought coins before we took off and are taking profits (out of the pockets of those who bought coins during the rally itself).

Great. Now read my post again.
hes right... day traders might be dumping profits right about here

but, no one is really dumping... the market appears safe, i think we can rally to 900 in a few days time.

Isn't it a little early to make that judgment? All the supports are pretty much crippled.

we will see

1000$ is a nice target top if you ask me

i've been selling,i think you'd would get me to sell 1 more at 1000$.... money i love it  Tongue, everyone knows i'd love to see the price drop to 520.1001 but i feel the bullishness! no market moves like bitcoin.... i was still doing countdowns at 800-900 because fuck bitcoin might just be the best performing asset in the world every year for the next 30years!
don;t no one know where the "top" will be... THERE IS NO SPOON!

5% of gold MAY BE trying to quietly buy up alll the bitcoin as we speak!

fuck man why did i sell.....

 lol!

because you want more of the amazing thing you just described

edit: so bitcoin was hands down the best investment of 2013, thinking weed will be the best investment of 2014 http://rt.com/usa/marijuana-stock-soars-colorado-million-162/ Smiley
one can invent in weed?? lol thats so cool!

From the article: "Yet, because marijuana is still illegal under federal law, business owners are prohibited from putting their profits in the bank"

I wonder where those profits will be going then....hhmmmm Wink

Another BTC win I think
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January 04, 2014, 07:16:55 AM
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...once the dip has come and is gone again:

put the throttle to FULL HODL !!
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January 04, 2014, 07:20:44 AM
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From the article: "Yet, because marijuana is still illegal under federal law, business owners are prohibited from putting their profits in the bank"

I wonder where those profits will be going then....hhmmmm Wink
The feds still bust mj cultivators regardless if it's all legal under state medical marijuana laws. Even though those powers are reserved for the state by the constitution, and although there was a statement that they won't actively pursue those operating legally under state law. Not putting your money in the bank isn't just the law, it's a good idea.


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January 04, 2014, 07:25:41 AM
Last edit: January 04, 2014, 08:00:13 AM by spooderman
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Why do people dump now? How do they think? "Well the price is going up, lets quickly dump before i make more money by putting up a sell order around 900"?

the people who are dumping now are the ones who bought coins before we took off and are taking profits (out of the pockets of those who bought coins during the rally itself).

Great. Now read my post again.
hes right... day traders might be dumping profits right about here

but, no one is really dumping... the market appears safe, i think we can rally to 900 in a few days time.

Isn't it a little early to make that judgment? All the supports are pretty much crippled.

we will see

1000$ is a nice target top if you ask me

i've been selling,i think you'd would get me to sell 1 more at 1000$.... money i love it  Tongue, everyone knows i'd love to see the price drop to 520.1001 but i feel the bullishness! no market moves like bitcoin.... i was still doing countdowns at 800-900 because fuck bitcoin might just be the best performing asset in the world every year for the next 30years!
don;t no one know where the "top" will be... THERE IS NO SPOON!

5% of gold MAY BE trying to quietly buy up alll the bitcoin as we speak!

fuck man why did i sell.....

 lol!

because you want more of the amazing thing you just described

edit: so bitcoin was hands down the best investment of 2013, thinking weed will be the best investment of 2014 http://rt.com/usa/marijuana-stock-soars-colorado-million-162/ Smiley
one can invent in weed?? lol thats so cool!

From the article: "Yet, because marijuana is still illegal under federal law, business owners are prohibited from putting their profits in the bank"

I wonder where those profits will be going then....hhmmmm Wink

Another BTC win I think

honestly without launching into a full libertarian tirade, does anyone here find it beautiful when two government evils not only cancel each other out like this, but also reinforce the development of the resistance? I'm sure everyone here appreciates the benefit the illegality of certain drugs has had on bitcoin.

edit: oh and ehm....chew chew
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Tomorrow there will be a weekend low and that will be the best time to buy. Next week will test new levels of resistance.

Brave words...I'll make a note.

Please do. I haven't been wrong about a specific call I've posted on here yet.
Oh, come now. No one takes that condescending bullshit seriously.

I recall one post specifically because it was in response to me, when price was just over $200 in October.

I would bet we don't end the year more than $20 up or down from where we are today.

Then I thought, let's have a look.

I do not see a lot of investment coming in during the holidays. Certainly not to push us up another $55-60 in the next 2 months. Especially since there are still some people who would just be happy to break even from the April crash, even more so during the holidays.

I don't think we will see ATHs until 2014.

It will be institutional investors that eventually get us to $1000+.  Mom and pop can get us to new highs, but the BTC markets need billions of new capital investments into its coffers to get to 4 digits and beyond.

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I still think this is probably at least over a year away.

I would not expect us to break above 266 before mid December or into the new year. If we do, we are probably headed for another sizeable dip.

There really is no resistance for a loooong time after $1000. $1500 maybe, but $2000 really is the next resistance after that. And 10000 cyn which is about $1630. Have some serious resistance there.

So all of you hoping for $400-$500 coins better prey some big hands come in and bust resistance downward. Otherwise, $600 is probably the best you will see in this rally.

3 days before the move to capitulation:
After studying these markets daily, I believe I have a pretty good pulse on where things are going. Here are my 2 cents currently.

There is a groundswell of buying pressure sitting off to the sidelines and its growing. Its growing for 2 reasons. First, most traders are not 100% bitcoin at the moment. Just look on this mostly bullish forum. Most of us are partly fiat right now. We have $$$ sitting on the sidelines. Second,
there is a lot of new money coming into the exchanges that are not buying right away. That is why the bid sum is increasing. People want to invest, but do not necessarily want to invest if the price is going to go lower.

So every possible mid term scenario (minus a catastrophic one, which always exists) has one final result - an strong upswing in which the money is forced to come back into the market. This will eventually cause another large rally. To where, I do not know. But it is coming.

I think there are 3 near/mid term scenarios. I will list them most unlikely to most likely.

A.  Incredibly bullish news spurns the market upward suddenly forcing the money on the sidelines back in causing a new huge rally.  

B. The market consolidates where it is (around $900) for 1-4/5 weeks. This would be the most bullish scenario and would be similar to the consolidation around $120-$130 a few months ago.

C. The market ebbs sideways and downward over the holidays as the holiday season wins the news cycles and people hold off on investing and sending more funds to markets.  In this scenario, we DO NOT reach another low past the $600ish already established. This would be very similar to the April rally where people expected it to test the low of $50s but it only got to $66, because everyone wanted to buy low.

I think C is most likely given the holidays. We will trend sideways to down, we will start a slow upswing sometime before $600. Somewhere from Dec. 30th to Jan. 31st that upswing will gain momentum and by sometime in February we will be in full fledge rally mode again. I also think this scenario could happen before February as well.

The best you can hope for is a sideways to downward movement lasting 2-6 weeks, but never going below $600. Thats best case scenario for you.

Just like I said, we may go lower but we are not going lower than 600 because everyone is watching there.

And the underlining mood of this market is bullish.  Eventually we are going to hit a price where the money on the sideline says this is low enough. Then after the holidays when more institutional money comes in away we will go.

Or alternately we will go up anytime because honey badger don't give a SHIT.

If you see a downtrend that gets heavy resistance before $600 you should buy.

There is way too muchl money sitting on the sidelines for the market to fall far. And when it comes back in he market will have established its floor.

Most people are looking at 600 the same way they did 50. So on a down trend I would expect the buying to start between $620-$700.

We made a higher low on 12-20 and have not revisited it. You said:
Look. I hear you. I actually agree with most of what you said. However, as much as it gets blasted TA is very effective in calling patterns. And technically speaking we have at least 1 more leg down. I might not make new lows, but still, it would be shocking if it did not happen.

What are your thoughts regarding this now:
I think we hang out in a $20-$40 range for a bit before testing the ATHs early next year, but that doesn't mean even 2014 want see some days (or hours) under 150.

It seems your views have changed. Were you right then, or right now?
We are already seeing an issue with people not wanting to invest at $200. I think the psychological challenges of the cost of a single bitcoin for a potential new investor will dampen the market to a degree. Unless we see the exchanges moving to a lower denomination than BTC, I think our growth from here on out will not be exponential. I could see us at $500-$1000 next year best case scenario. However, as the price rises, the growth curve will be dampened, no doubt.

Lol. That's pretty funny.

But this doesn't change the fact that you are still an over-analytical asshole.

You have this tendency to take 1 thing someone will post, find some literal misinterpretation and run with a counter argument, just for the sake of being a pompous prick.  

Now, I misspoke to say I hadn't made any incorrect calls. In fact, you could have quoted various of my previous posts where I have mentioned "not having a clue" or "maybe wrong" or "I missed the fact that..." or some other caveat where I recognize that we all, including myself have limitations.  Of course you left any posts like this out because you wanted to paint a picture of me as a complete imbecile.

The truth is I sometimes cut corners with what I post or don't qualify my statements in "context" simply because I take for granted that people on here won't take things as black or white, but perhaps with some grey or because I am posting from my phone or don't have the time and energy to clarify ever little detail. Although, while you posted several quotes most of them came down to me missing on either the fact that the rally at $250 would go to $1240 or missing the capitulation going below $600 - in essence missing the news from China, although I posted a poll about that very thing 10 days before it happened. There were a few other misses and some you didn't post (would you like me to add them for you?) but most of these quotes are about the same topics.

Now it probably took you a good hour to go back through all my posts. And of course you didn't list any of my correct predictions, because you had a bone to pick. So, should I now go back and do the same to you? Heavens no, what a collossal waste of time and energy.

But hopefully you had a laugh and feel better about yourself now.

I can take it as good as I give it. So again, well done.

All I ask is just try not to be such an analytical prick.
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January 04, 2014, 08:45:03 AM
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I remember the other day someone saying something about the possibility of one young gentleman doing a big dump in order to take profits out.

I may be wrong. But I think I may have found a wallet of one prospect huge dumper. Read his last message

https://blockchain.info/address/1AYtnRppWM7tWQaVLpm7TvcHKrjKxgCRvX
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I remember the other day someone saying something about the possibility of one young gentleman doing a big dump in order to take profits out.

I may be wrong. But I think I may have found a wallet of one prospect huge dumper. Read his last message

https://blockchain.info/address/1AYtnRppWM7tWQaVLpm7TvcHKrjKxgCRvX

OMG!  LOL thats a lot of bitcoins.
Kind of risky though to hold  400k coins in one wallet.  Hope they dont lose the keys.   Lips sealed
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January 04, 2014, 09:05:01 AM
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I remember the other day someone saying something about the possibility of one young gentleman doing a big dump in order to take profits out.

I may be wrong. But I think I may have found a wallet of one prospect huge dumper. Read his last message

https://blockchain.info/address/1AYtnRppWM7tWQaVLpm7TvcHKrjKxgCRvX


You mean read the last message of a random person who sent .0001 BTC to that address?
What is you reasoning for believing this wallet belongs to a dumper and not say... an exchange?
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January 04, 2014, 09:24:55 AM
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It's sad, but it appears famous BTC addresses are being spammed.  Undecided
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January 04, 2014, 09:31:46 AM
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I remember the other day someone saying something about the possibility of one young gentleman doing a big dump in order to take profits out.

I may be wrong. But I think I may have found a wallet of one prospect huge dumper. Read his last message

https://blockchain.info/address/1AYtnRppWM7tWQaVLpm7TvcHKrjKxgCRvX

OMG!  LOL thats a lot of bitcoins.
Kind of risky though to hold  400k coins in one wallet.  Hope they dont lose the keys.   Lips sealed


if they did, our btc would be worth about 2% more.
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