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Question: Sept. 21 Closing Price:
$0 - 3 (3.2%)
<$8,000 - 5 (5.4%)
$8,000-$8,500 - 1 (1.1%)
$8,500-$9,000 - 2 (2.2%)
$9,000-$9,500 - 4 (4.3%)
$9,500-$10,000 - 6 (6.5%)
$10,000-$10,500 - 17 (18.3%)
$10,500-$11,000 - 19 (20.4%)
$11,000-$11,500 - 17 (18.3%)
$11,500-$12,000 - 6 (6.5%)
>$12,000 - 8 (8.6%)
>$20,000 - 5 (5.4%)
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November 16, 2018, 03:54:42 AM

I closed my final bch short and I'm done playing with bch. Got a slight loss just at the end, but an overall 50% profit on my play money. Thank you, forkers. Do it again next Xmas, will you?

I also closed the short position on btc. Not even my standing historical long, redder than ever before, can take my gains away now: it's already accounted for. I'm considering defending this result with one more short, tight stop. Should 4000 show its ugly face, I'll collect enough on the way down to make up for extra losses on the long. Otherwise I'll gladly pay the stop loss tax on the short.

EDIT Found a pretty Easter egg: the number 1337 shows up as "leet" in the post count.  :-)

Seems that you are getting pretty good at both hedging, but also not getting to greedy with your bets in order to stuff away funds and to also increase the size of your "playing" funds.

Regarding the leet, if you want to maintain your status, you cannot post anymore... You just have to keep editing old posts...

Otherwise, if you do post, you have to delete one post for every new post.
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November 16, 2018, 04:04:47 AM

As I was expecting, anyone who bought BCH for the fork is getting dumped on. $384 and likely to make an ATL soon.
Guess someone's gotta hold the bags, smh

the more I think about it, the more I wonder if this might not all have been theater and a way to extract the most possible money back out of a failed system that two or three billionaires accidentally sank way more than they should have in to.
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November 16, 2018, 04:06:49 AM
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The moon is so close I can touch it.



 I know.  It's almost as if you're there.



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November 16, 2018, 04:18:38 AM

Seems that you are getting pretty good at both hedging, but also not getting to greedy with your bets in order to stuff away funds and to also increase the size of your "playing" funds.

Regarding the leet, if you want to maintain your status, you cannot post anymore... You just have to keep editing old posts...

Otherwise, if you do post, you have to delete one post for every new post.
I don't let my play money grow geometrically. The excess gets periodically stashed away. That's how I was able to double up ~2.7 times - meaning s a 270% return, rather than 650%.

Leet: can't be bothered to preserve. Everything is temporary anyway.

P.S. You too are capable of palatable dryness, see?
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November 16, 2018, 04:23:01 AM

Guys I made something for you.   Please don't take this as investment advice Wink



Aha! What would this thread look like without you?   Kiss

You make it prettier with every post (and repost - see moon above).
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November 16, 2018, 04:24:11 AM

No one is getting BCH symbol on Binance

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November 16, 2018, 04:29:20 AM

I’m a bit disappointed that BTC hasn’t made a V shaped bottom yet.   

I don’t like how we are hanging around here with volume dropping off sharply.   
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November 16, 2018, 04:30:01 AM

No one is getting BCH symbol on Binance



Looks to me like BCash has given itself cancer.
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November 16, 2018, 04:30:15 AM

I’m a bit disappointed that BTC hasn’t made a V shaped bottom yet.   

I don’t like how we are hanging around here with volume dropping off sharply.   

it is lacking a certain snapback quality

another leg down methinks
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November 16, 2018, 04:31:03 AM

I’m a bit disappointed that BTC hasn’t made a V shaped bottom yet.   

I don’t like how we are hanging around here with volume dropping off sharply.   

Honeybadger got the flu...

He don't care.
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November 16, 2018, 04:53:19 AM

Seems that you are getting pretty good at both hedging, but also not getting to greedy with your bets in order to stuff away funds and to also increase the size of your "playing" funds.

Regarding the leet, if you want to maintain your status, you cannot post anymore... You just have to keep editing old posts...

Otherwise, if you do post, you have to delete one post for every new post.
I don't let my play money grow geometrically. The excess gets periodically stashed away. That's how I was able to double up ~2.7 times - meaning s a 270% return, rather than 650%.

Leet: can't be bothered to preserve. Everything is temporary anyway.

P.S. You too are capable of palatable dryness, see?

How I currently feel about the PS portion of your response:

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um, guys, I haven't really been following the big blocker nutjobs with their holy war, except by osmosis from excrement that gets flung around here .... can any one give me a run down of anything significant or relevant to bitcoin long term?

so far i've got ...

ConSatoshiWright is going to roger roger ver by not forking onto roger's fork
JihanCovert Asiic is then going to roger the both of them by ramming even bigger blocks and bad hash power into the orgy of holy war violence

jbear and others are fake reporting with innuendo, deception by omission and delusions from the front lines adding to the fog of the holy satoshi wars?

what about the calvinists? any head choppings or bloody inquisitions?
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November 16, 2018, 04:57:50 AM

Looks to me like BCash has given itself cancer.

most cancers metastasize, Bcash was always a cancer it's just moving to the next phase.
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And it's all gone, babye BCH!
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Bcash clown car towing a dumpster fire forking holy war?
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November 16, 2018, 05:51:34 AM

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November 16, 2018, 05:55:27 AM

As I was expecting, anyone who bought BCH for the fork is getting dumped on. $384 and likely to make an ATL soon.
Guess someone's gotta hold the bags, smh

The pump funds had to come from somewhere? Maybe it was artificial and the bitches over at the BCH teams recouped their funds via btc dumping?

I am wondering, if each party planning to dump each other coins to show their supremacy and will bring price to dust.
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November 16, 2018, 06:22:58 AM

Looks like a lot of bullshit, and also misleading to equate "power" to miners and mining.  We already learned from the UASF that power in bitcoin (likely also to be true in bcash) is more distributed than just miners being able to dictate outcome, and the most powerful players, overall are the users.. so they can play their little games and try to suggest that miners are all powerful, when they do not have as much power as the misleaders like to propagandize to be the case.

All the UASF did was give the miners motivation to do what the users wanted. If most of the miners decided to ignore it, the UASF would not have gone anywhere. A chain on the Bitcoin Blockchain cannot advance without at least a few miners cooperating. It also testifies to the fact that although some people complain that BTC mining is overly centralized, none of the miners were willing to risk that they would end up being a lone wolf and have their blocks orphaned. It is clear the miners are still in a healthy competition rather than colluding with one another.

Maybe that is part of my point?  You are not going to get 100% of the miners, and even if you get 51%, then what?  Rules are going to change based on 51%?  I don't think so.  In other words, the true resilience of users versus miners has NOT been tested out, yet, and miners did not want to go there.. like you said, which kind of supports my point that incentives are aligned in such a way that the costs of deviating from users may well be way too much for the miners to attempt to test out.

The blockchain can exist without users but cannot exist without miners!
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As I was expecting, anyone who bought BCH for the fork is getting dumped on. $384 and likely to make an ATL soon.
Guess someone's gotta hold the bags, smh

The pump funds had to come from somewhere? Maybe it was artificial and the bitches over at the BCH teams recouped their funds via btc dumping?

I am wondering, if each party planning to dump each other coins to show their supremacy and will bring price to dust.
I wonder if it's on faketoshis coin, but on ABC I am still in neutral.

Well, let's see, if they drop on their daily volumes in few days an imminent crush might gonna happen and they will be the eminent fork in the history of crypto.

Look at their differences and draw some conclusions.


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November 16, 2018, 07:21:25 AM

Looks like a lot of bullshit, and also misleading to equate "power" to miners and mining.  We already learned from the UASF that power in bitcoin (likely also to be true in bcash) is more distributed than just miners being able to dictate outcome, and the most powerful players, overall are the users.. so they can play their little games and try to suggest that miners are all powerful, when they do not have as much power as the misleaders like to propagandize to be the case.

All the UASF did was give the miners motivation to do what the users wanted. If most of the miners decided to ignore it, the UASF would not have gone anywhere. A chain on the Bitcoin Blockchain cannot advance without at least a few miners cooperating. It also testifies to the fact that although some people complain that BTC mining is overly centralized, none of the miners were willing to risk that they would end up being a lone wolf and have their blocks orphaned. It is clear the miners are still in a healthy competition rather than colluding with one another.

Maybe that is part of my point?  You are not going to get 100% of the miners, and even if you get 51%, then what?  Rules are going to change based on 51%?  I don't think so.  In other words, the true resilience of users versus miners has NOT been tested out, yet, and miners did not want to go there.. like you said, which kind of supports my point that incentives are aligned in such a way that the costs of deviating from users may well be way too much for the miners to attempt to test out.

The blockchain can exist without users but cannot exist without miners!

I doubt that your attempt to extract out certain pieces, and then trying to argue your logic after those kinds of extractions is going to lead you to a correct answer....   You can believe what you want.  I already said that it seems that experience has already shown us, including the UASF that incentives are going to push in a direction NOT to kill the golden goose.

I will concede, on the other hand, that all possible scenarios have not yet been tested, but we have a dynamic system and players who respond to other players, so when you try to make an extreme example, like you did with the extraction of certain players, you are creating such an artificial situation that is not going to happen in real life, because in real life you are going to find incremental responses that might either dull or exacerbate a situation - yet in the end, it seems that bitcoin has already established a very strong set of incentives and counter incentives, and those incentives are going to continue to be tweaked with the passage of time... and in the meantime, as investors we can continue to monitor the situation and decide whether we are losing confidence in our investment or whether we need to modify our own behavior in regards to the the direction that we see the incentives going (to the extent that we can see material changes that are significant to us, individually). 
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