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[bitserve]

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Meh.  Its about time we had some QC FUD.  I have been missing it. 

I don't think the author is fudding.  I don't know how many qbits it would take to make an attack on early addresses feasible, but those qbits are certainly coming eventually.

I think the idea of Satoshi's coins as a quantum DEW line is interesting indeed.

Theymos was defending the idea to remove satoshi coins for the very same reason. Maybe we should ask him what his current stance on that subject is. I would think it is not a big concern for the next few years, but it will be sometime in the future.

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[bitserve]

toxoplazmosis

A fascinating thing. But from my understanding, in rodents it makes them attracted to cat urine. It's humans that it makes aggressive.

Yes, that's why MSM dumbfully labels toxoplasmosis as "rodents not fearing cats". Rodents have a natural instinct to avoid any place where they detect cat pee. In my country house I used to spread the contents of the litter box all over the perimeter for that very same reason. It worked wonderfully.

[Hueristic]

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hmmmmm

Meh.  Its about time we had some QC FUD.  I have been missing it. 

I don't think the author is fudding.  I don't know how many qbits it would take to make an attack on early addresses feasible, but those qbits are certainly coming eventually.

I think the idea of Satoshi's coins as a quantum DEW line is interesting indeed.

Theymos was defending the idea to remove satoshi coins for the very same reason. Maybe we should ask him what his current stance on that subject is. I would think it is not a big concern for the next few years, but it will be sometime in the future.

Breaking the golden rule of immutability will not come without cost.
It is a dangerous discussion that opens many doors that should probably be left closed.

[bitserve]

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hmmmmm

Meh.  Its about time we had some QC FUD.  I have been missing it.  

I don't think the author is fudding.  I don't know how many qbits it would take to make an attack on early addresses feasible, but those qbits are certainly coming eventually.

I think the idea of Satoshi's coins as a quantum DEW line is interesting indeed.

Theymos was defending the idea to remove satoshi coins for the very same reason. Maybe we should ask him what his current stance on that subject is. I would think it is not a big concern for the next few years, but it will be sometime in the future.

Breaking the golden rule of immutability will not come without cost.
It is a dangerous discussion that opens many doors that should probably be left closed.

Yes, it is a very complex subject. Some day I would like to hear more from Theymos justifying the action. When I first heard about it seemed completely nuts and unfair to me. Maybe it isn't. Donno at this time.

[jojo69]

If you guys like Toxoplazmosis you are going to love Ophiocordyceps unilateralis.

[Hueristic]

Yes, it is a very complex subject. Some day I would like to hear more from Theymos justifying the action. When I first heard about it seemed completely nuts and unfair to me. Maybe it isn't. Donno at this time.

It seems sensible on the surface until you peel back the layers and think about the real life repercussions that can happen.

[Hueristic]

If you guys like Toxoplazmosis you are going to love Ophiocordyceps unilateralis.

Haha, yeah the zombie ants! I love watching PBS and BBC random nature shows and seeing this shit.
This world is fucking weirder than fantasy.

[Arriemoller]

toxoplazmosis

A fascinating thing. But from my understanding, in rodents it makes them attracted to cat urine. It's humans that it makes aggressive.

And also, that's a chipmunk, they are not affected by toxoplasmosis.

[jojo69]

toxoplazmosis

A fascinating thing. But from my understanding, in rodents it makes them attracted to cat urine. It's humans that it makes aggressive.

And also, that's a chipmunk, they are not affected by toxoplasmosis.

Ahhhh, but my special Z varient...Z for zombie of course, cooked it up in the lab last year.

Running into some delays shipping Ophiocordyzeps unilateralis unfortunately.

[Hueristic]

toxoplazmosis

A fascinating thing. But from my understanding, in rodents it makes them attracted to cat urine. It's humans that it makes aggressive.

And also, that's a chipmunk, they are not affected by toxoplasmosis.

Where has it been proven they are immune?
One cannot assume because one has not been found to be infected that there are not in effect infected ones yet to be found?
Is anyone monitoring the chipmunk population for us?
These are very important steps that must be taken to protect our sovereignty.

[HairyMaclairy]

I don't think the author is fudding.  I don't know how many qbits it would take to make an attack on early addresses feasible, but those qbits are certainly coming eventually.

I did the math once.  If we pointed all of the world's computing resources at hashing, it would take us until the heat death of the universe many times over before we cracked a single early address. 

Current QC is a joke. 

Eventually is a really long time away.

Even if proper QC was invented tomorrow, we could just hard fork to a QC hash algo.

[Hueristic]

I don't think the author is fudding.  I don't know how many qbits it would take to make an attack on early addresses feasible, but those qbits are certainly coming eventually.

I did the math once.  If we pointed all of the world's computing resources at hashing, it would take us until the heat death of the universe many times over before we cracked a single early address.  

Current QC is a joke.  

Eventually is a really long time away.

Even if proper QC was invented tomorrow, we could just hard fork to a QC hash algo.

I read somewhere it would take 8 qbits to break sha 256. I think that somewhere was from academia but I can't remember.
damn, I'm brain dead and exhausted and am absolutely posting worthless shit right now. I'll google it again.

bah, stupid memory according to this its at 512

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/24zwsr/how_many_qubits_would_it_take_to_break_bitcoins/

I think I was thinking of an 8qbit word was needed, but now I seem to remember qbits won't be using word sizes.

[yefi]

Where has it been proven they are immune?

It was in one of the Chip 'n' Dale episodes.

[Ibian]

toxoplazmosis

A fascinating thing. But from my understanding, in rodents it makes them attracted to cat urine. It's humans that it makes aggressive.

And also, that's a chipmunk, they are not affected by toxoplasmosis.

Sure about that? It's still a rodent.

[Hueristic]

Where has it been proven they are immune?

It was in one of the Chip 'n' Dale episodes.

I remember that documentary series!

[HairyMaclairy]

The latest D-Wave supposedly has 2,000 qubits and hasn't done shit.  Make of that what you will.

https://www.nature.com/news/d-wave-upgrade-how-scientists-are-using-the-world-s-most-controversial-quantum-computer-1.21353

[realr0ach]

Well, at least the poor, the stupid and the hungry seems to be disappearing, it's of course the same people.
They are hungry because they are poor and they are poor because they are stupid. Stupid people won't get well paid jobs, if they get any at all.

That was a completely nonsensical statement.  If you're educated, the moneychangers practice global labor arbitrage and send your job to China to profit off slave labor and leave you jobless.  If you're uneducated, they flood your country with unskilled brown labor to leave you jobless.  Then the bubble in unskilled labor causes more people to enter college to further leave even STEM people without prospect of job.

The artificial boom and bust cycles rigged by wild central bank interest rate changes then leave everyone jobless on the ride down as the moneychangers then buy all the assets for pennies on the dollar and consolidate power further. Then factor in a lot of jobs are more who you know then what you know, it's pretty easy on a large sample size for tons of stupid people to be rich with great jobs and tons of smart people to have no jobs and be penniless.  Look at this Canadian unemployment from 2011.  Why did these people even bother working hard to get a STEM degree?

Just 29.7 per cent of those with engineering degrees actually work as engineers, based on 2011 data. For those trained outside of Canada, the situation is worse. Just over 20 per cent of internationally trained engineers who came to Canada have been able to find work as engineers here.

[Hueristic]

The latest D-Wave supposedly has 2,000 qubits and hasn't done shit.  Make of that what you will.

https://www.nature.com/news/d-wave-upgrade-how-scientists-are-using-the-world-s-most-controversial-quantum-computer-1.21353

Holy shit, Last I remember they had 2 and I think HP and IBM were working on 4 and it was supposed to be decades before they doubled that.

D-Wave is also working on a fifth model, which it hopes will answer critics by providing even greater capacity and connectivity and a closer fit to scientists’ needs. Likely to launch within two years, the machine will again double the number of qubits, to around 4,000. Crucially, it will also provide more-complex connections between qubits, allowing it to tackle more-complicated problems.

Welp there goes that theory.

I never did understand if it provides all possible solutions how you were supposed to pick which one was the right one?

[HairyMaclairy]

I think it specialises in path optimisation, so the shortest path should be readily ascertainable, acknowledging that the issue is non-trivial at scale.

With the hashing operation, the public key is either a match or it isn't, so also readily ascertainable.  

We can get into a discussion about whether the D-Wave has 'real qubits' but I will get out of my depth technically really fast so will need to defer that point to others.

[Kylapoiss]

Speaking about rodents, I've had this disease:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat-bite_fever

classified, they had to send my blood sample to UK to get it properly tested and see what's wrong with me.

I've won the low probability health lottery multiple times