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[HairyMaclairy]

No apology necessary or wanted...except from corrupt politicians and corporate shills.

Its like this government shut down the USA is having right now...everyone involved needs to be fired..period. Its like a kindergarten class or worse perhaps..."I am not going to talk to you anymore because you are saying something I dont like".

These are the "supposed" leaders of the free world...smh.

The biggest problem I see with the partial government shutdown is that it won't be permanent. The other problem is that it's too small in scope.

You could always just move somewhere without a functional government. Parts of Somalia and Afghanistan would
be obvious choices.  Or maybe the Papua New Guinea jungle? The outer islands of the Solomons are pretty lawless.  And you could go today.   It’s not like they have a government to stop you.

Edit:  a handy list is here

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Fragile_States_Index

[marcus_of_augustus]

... ever seen what happens to a solar array in a golf-ball sized hailstorm?

http://joannenova.com.au/2018/12/sydney-hail-storm-just-how-hailproof-are-those-solar-panels/
bonus solar nirvana debunkhttp://joannenova.com.au/2018/12/fireman-warns-solar-powered-batteries-may-cause-ferocious-fires/

Just more risks/costs that coal, oil, gas, nuclear plants are robust against or have amortised/solved already ... no-one has all the answers and the biggest problem are those that think they do and assume authority above the natural market of ideas and solutions to enforce their will on others. At huge expense for everyone inevitably.

http://joannenova.com.au/2018/12/new-report-renewables-indirectly-make-electricity-more-expensive-so-abc-tells-australia-the-opposite/

The environmentalism cult in it's current pseudo-scientific/romantic form has become a plague upon humanity, there is no doubt about it that now. A descent into superstition and romanticism seems to be accelerating with the collapse of the fiat/debt monetary regimes (based on economics faking as science anyway) ... things are not as bad as being lied about but large coastal populations are prone to regular disasters (fossil history is quite definitive about that), so disasters are always in the 'news'.

The planet is as 'healthy' (whatever subjective gaia bullshit that means) as it has ever been, and in fact Earth is quite agnostic about the state of it's inhabitants. Any large asteroid strike, geomagnetic reversal, geomagnetic collapse, true polar wander, X-class solar flare strike, or supervolcanic eruption phase belittles all the pathetic, politically-motivated environmental alarmism when Earth's human habitability is viewed objectively.

http://joannenova.com.au/2018/12/in-2018-climate-change-caused-disastrous-loss-of-0-1-of-world-gdp/

Newsflash, the earth has barely warmed in 35 years (~0.2C at last measure) ...

http://www.drroyspencer.com/2018/12/2018-6th-warmest-year-globally-of-last-40/

and latest discovery of solar physics models points towards that we are heading into a grand solar minimum for the next 2-3 decades ... typically associated with longer, brutal winters and large-scale crop losses

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_yqIj38UmY

[HairyMaclairy]

It’s a one in 20 year hailstorm on panels with an ROI of 3 years and an effective life of 10 years.   Not to mention the hailstorm only hit a small part of Sydney.  

As for the rest, it’s 2018.  Not believeing in science is only fashionable on YouTube conspiracy channels.   There’s no scientific proof rings as hollow as the cigarette companies that still claim there is no link between cigarette smoking and lung cancer. 

[Last of the V8s]

ooh thank you. a new oxymoron for my collection:
'functional government'

[marcus_of_augustus]

It’s a one in 20 year hailstorm on panels with an ROI of 3 years and an effective life of 10 years.  

why was it so costly? how much did cost to mine the silicon, aluminium, copper, lithium, plastic, manufactured, installed, wiped clean every month? (they're major pain in the ass to maintain) ... if it's too costly that it needs taxpayer subsidies, it's very likely a bullshit losing proposition, that some grifters are scamming and ripping off taxpayers with ... usually.

[HairyMaclairy]

It’s a one in 20 year hailstorm on panels with an ROI of 3 years and an effective life of 10 years. 

why was it so costly? how much did cost to mine the silicon, aluminium, copper, lithium, plastic, manufactured, installed, wiped clean every month? (they're major pain in the ass to maintain ... if it's too costly that it needs taxpayer subsidies, it's very likely a losing proposition.

I have them on my roof.  No I don’t wipe them. We have too much sunshine as it is.

[infofront]

No apology necessary or wanted...except from corrupt politicians and corporate shills.

Its like this government shut down the USA is having right now...everyone involved needs to be fired..period. Its like a kindergarten class or worse perhaps..."I am not going to talk to you anymore because you are saying something I dont like".

These are the "supposed" leaders of the free world...smh.

The biggest problem I see with the partial government shutdown is that it won't be permanent. The other problem is that it's too small in scope.

You could always just move somewhere without a functional government. Parts of Somalia and Afghanistan would
be obvious choices.  Or maybe the Papua New Guinea jungle? The outer islands of the Solomons are pretty lawless.  And you could go today.   It’s not like they have a government to stop you.

Edit:  a handy list is here

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Fragile_States_Index

Perhaps you European fellows are ill-informed about the partial government shutdowns in the US. They're basically just a small army of bureaucrats getting an extra paid vacation. Every government function that matters is unaffected.

[marcus_of_augustus]

It’s a one in 20 year hailstorm on panels with an ROI of 3 years and an effective life of 10 years. 

why was it so costly? how much did cost to mine the silicon, aluminium, copper, lithium, plastic, manufactured, installed, wiped clean every month? (they're major pain in the ass to maintain ... if it's too costly that it needs taxpayer subsidies, it's very likely a losing proposition.

I have them on my roof.  No I don’t wipe them. We have too much sunshine as it is.

... run out of toilet paper? So good for you if it works for you, just stop ramming shitty 'green' technology down everyone else's throat and you might get more acceptance ... if it actually works, then go make a buck out of it if it is so wonderful.

[Wekkel]

Macleod is always a good read: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-28/arrival-credit-crisis

The question is: how will Bitcoin fare under increased inflation. I know the answer.

[julian071]

It’s a one in 20 year hailstorm on panels with an ROI of 3 years and an effective life of 10 years.  

why was it so costly? how much did cost to mine the silicon, aluminium, copper, lithium, plastic, manufactured, installed, wiped clean every month? (they're major pain in the ass to maintain) ... if it's too costly that it needs taxpayer subsidies, it's very likely a bullshit losing proposition, that some grifters are scamming and ripping off taxpayers with ... usually.

Weird to find someone not liking the idea of producing their own energy on a btc forum. You're missing out man. It's great. No cleaning needed. Don't listen to the big oil shills man.

PS my panels have a 25 year guarantee on efficiency, a lot more then numbers mentioned above.

[becoin]

The biggest problem I see with the partial government shutdown is that it won't be permanent.

Government shutdown we'll have if government stops taxing us and collecting our money, not when they stop spending it.

[Toxic2040]

The biggest problem I see with the partial government shutdown is that it won't be permanent. The other problem is that it's too small in scope.

Well...there is that. I however think with population densities what they are, some form of government is necessary. Democratic electoral voting seems to be fairest but has certain inefficiencies that can be hard to swallow at times.

Just look at this graph of the US budget surplus/deficit ratio. Its been 2 generations since there was a surplus and even that is questionable as some say monies were borrowed against the SS trust fund or something along those lines.

I am just sick and tired of being ripped off and lied too...pretty simple really. Is it to much to ask that "they" not do this anymore?



https://www.davemanuel.com/history-of-deficits-and-surpluses-in-the-united-states.php

Lots of statistics here..interesting if your into that sort.

[HairyMaclairy]

On that point, my next car will probably be electric so it can run off the roof cells.  I just cbf buying a new car right now when the old one has nothing wrong with it.

[Toxic2040]

... ever seen what happens ...
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Sorry..ain't buying it. I think you know something is happening and is continuing to happen this century. The data is sound and has been reviewed many times.

While I agree with you that the Earth will continue its orbit regardless of what humanity does I think it naive to doubt what hard science has proven. Co2 levels are rising at a extraordinary rate. Pumping billions of barrels of hydrocarbons from beneath the ground and then burning it just does not sound like a good idea any more. Are innovation and change difficult? Yes..  Is it expensive to be a first mover in a nascent market?  Yes..extremely so.. 
Things change and we grow wiser.

[nikauforest]

Sea levels at the end of the last ice age. ( about 11,000 years ago )

During the last ice age (above) sea level was at least 394 feet (120 m) lower than it is today (below), exposing much more area on the continents.

[nikauforest]

What I find amazing, is the sea levels rose so much before fossil fuels came into the picture. < (sarcasm!)

[Hueristic]

I don't think the author is fudding.  I don't know how many qbits it would take to make an attack on early addresses feasible, but those qbits are certainly coming eventually.

I did the math once.  If we pointed all of the world's computing resources at hashing, it would take us until the heat death of the universe many times over before we cracked a single early address. 

Current QC is a joke. 

Eventually is a really long time away.

Even if proper QC was invented tomorrow, we could just hard fork to a QC hash algo.

You can be sure the NSA will have advanced QCs years before anyone else. They could have all addresses cracked before anyone even knows they're capable of doing so.

now that is my brand of tinfoil

Quantum computing is almost as much as a buzz word as blockchain. Many like to throw the term around yet do not fully grasp the concepts that are involved.

If you have a basic grasp of physics you can skip down to the article cited below..if not this video might help at least get you familiar with the basics. It presents 5 different levels of a persons understanding of what a quantum computer is and isn't. This is a sort of fluff piece by Wired and it came out several months ago I believe but is still relevant. The growth in this field over those few months is astounding and the constant innovation is eerily similar to what classical computing experienced at first. I am not sure if Moore's law will be applicable but it is growing extremely fast and I would expect within 10 years there will be a functioning usable machine capable of factoring large primes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWJCfOvochA


One of the current key problem's is fault tolerance. Another is keeping coherence at a steady state. These problems are getting solved and more reliable and robust systems are being built. Which leads us to the cutting edge..

Abstract

Topological insulators are materials that have a gapped bulk energy spectrum but contain protected in-gap states appearing at their surface. These states exhibit remarkable properties such as unidirectional propagation and robustness to noise that offer an opportunity to improve the performance and scalability of quantum technologies. For quantum applications, it is essential that the topological states are indistinguishable. We report high-visibility quantum interference of single-photon topological states in an integrated photonic circuit. Two topological boundary states, initially at opposite edges of a coupled waveguide array, are brought into proximity, where they interfere and undergo a beamsplitter operation. We observe Hong-Ou-Mandel interference with 93.1 ± 2.8% visibility, a hallmark nonclassical effect that is at the heart of linear optics–based quantum computation. Our work shows that it is feasible to generate and control highly indistinguishable single-photon topological states, opening pathways to enhanced photonic quantum technology with topological properties, and to study quantum effects in topological materials.

Topological photonics has the advantage of not requiring strong magnetic fields and features intrinsically high-coherence, room temperature operation and easy manipulation.

http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/9/eaat3187

"A lot of researchers are talking about quantum information processing with photons, and even using frequency," said Lukens. "But no one had thought about sending multiple photons through the same fiber-optic strand, in the same space, and operating on them differently."

https://phys.org/news/2018-12-block-quantum.html

 

The assembly language's are being crafted right now..it is waiting for quantum softwares and algorithms to be written for it's use. 

Excellent post, caught me up quick.

[HairyMaclairy]

What I find amazing, is the sea levels rose so much before fossil fuels came into the picture. < (sarcasm!)

Nikau - you are a Bcash shill.   We already know you aren’t too bright. 

[HeSoCo]

Canadians knows how to make cozy places, even the Bitcoin bureau de change. I would visit this one in Montreal with Tim Horton's cup of hot chocolate.
 

[realr0ach]

If there is a God or not thats a whole other topic ( if there is he would probably be the one who plant the BTC seed as well)

Your gnostic, false god (((Satoshi Nakamoto))) stands no chance vs physical silver chad r0ach.