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[marcus_of_augustus]

It’s a one in 20 year hailstorm on panels with an ROI of 3 years and an effective life of 10 years.  

why was it so costly? how much did cost to mine the silicon, aluminium, copper, lithium, plastic, manufactured, installed, wiped clean every month? (they're major pain in the ass to maintain) ... if it's too costly that it needs taxpayer subsidies, it's very likely a bullshit losing proposition, that some grifters are scamming and ripping off taxpayers with ... usually.

Weird to find someone not liking the idea of producing their own energy on a btc forum. You're missing out man. It's great. No cleaning needed. Don't listen to the big oil shills man.

... you should try and read what I actually wrote ... not what you've been indoctrinated to think I wrote.

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[realr0ach]

Weird to find someone not liking the idea of producing their own energy on a btc forum.

Since hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe and can also be used as energy, I'd probably start looking there.  All a solar panel is is an INDIRECT process to acquire hydrogen generated energy from the sun. Why would you use an inefficient, indirect process when you can use a more efficient, direct process?  Supposedly people have been able to extract hydrogen directly from sea water using only sunlight to power the process, and then you mysteriously never hear anything after the fact.  It is not retarded, centralized, non-fungible, Orwellian tracking systems called "blockchains" that will change the world, it is things like that instead.

[marcus_of_augustus]

... ever seen what happens ...
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Sorry..ain't buying it. I think you know something is happening and is continuing to happen this century. The data is sound and has been reviewed many times.

While I agree with you that the Earth will continue its orbit regardless of what humanity does I think it naive to doubt what hard science has proven. Co2 levels are rising at a extraordinary rate. Pumping billions of barrels of hydrocarbons from beneath the ground and then burning it just does not sound like a good idea any more. Are innovation and change difficult? Yes..  Is it expensive to be a first mover in a nascent market?  Yes..extremely so.. 
Things change and we grow wiser.

https://nypost.com/2018/12/28/climate-change-expert-aaron-doering-charged-with-choking-his-fiance/

... when the lying and shilling becomes too much in the face of cool factual analysis, all that is left is demented rage and violent incoherence I guess.

... climate science never is and never will be a 'hard science', it's full of charlatans and political appointees. It's basically a renegade academic cult masquerading as a branch of science now, with fully-developed propaganda and PR smearing units targetting dissenters ("deniers").

[realr0ach]

... climate science never is and never will be a 'hard science', it's full of charlatans and political appointees.

You forgot to mention the institute of arts or whatever it's called in the Wikileaks emails says their main goal is to dumb down the population to make them easier to swindle and control with scams like that.

[Arriemoller]

Watching the silver price slowly fall back to $6 over the next decade will be even worse.

From a TA point of view, $10 looks like a very strong support and potential bounce. But, r0ach is always talking about costs of production and oil as the main factor. Oil price is gonna dump really hard over the next couple of decades. As much as electrical cars increase their market share the more affected will be the demand of oil. Main demand right now is coming from cars all over the world. Another interesting side effect is that long distance flights will become even cheaper.

I'm sorry.

Where do you think all this electricity is going to come from?

While there will certainly be plenty of volatility in the energy sector, even "dumps", broadly speaking oil will never, ever, be cheaper in real terms.

Even serious industry paid annalists acknowledge that we are past peak EROI, and there is simply no replacement for the energy density of fossil fuels.

U-235

[Lambie Slayer]

What a surprise, another autistic screeching "Lambie Slayer" post flipping out in rage for exposing all the shitcoiner lies about decentralization and everything else.  Metals will win, shitcoins will lose.  None of your autistic screeching will change that.  You have zero fundamentals and metals have them all, and fundamentals always win in the end.  Kike shills are always easy to spot because they're anti-metals, pro-imaginary, centralized, digital tokens for their next fiat 2.0 scam.

Metals win at creating the most bagholders. Bitcoin is going to 100k and there is nothing you can do but eat Gembitz's hairy asshole as you both panhandle on the streets for money once your parents kick you out.

Virgin Roach, what if I told you I was being paid millions by wealthy Jews to drive you insane and have you committed to an insane asylum? They have been out to get you for years because you were on to them. I am part of a team that monitors your every move in your basement round the clock.


As a paranoid schizofrenic you dont have a clue what autism or other mental disabilities are. Its very difficult for a paranoid schizofrenic to come to grips with the fact they are mentally ill. Fat people are aware they are fat, retards even know they are "special", but delusional nuts like Virgin Roach have a hard time with reality. Im mentally healthy and autism is closer in line with your symptoms, in fact you may have a touch of autism/aspergers syndrome, but your main condition is paranoid schizophrenia, hence the persecution by Jews complex.

Your flattened affect is common among autistics and schizophrenics. When was the last time you laughed or smiled Roach After a few years in the asylum you may finally accept your condition, but right now you are clueless.

"Affect in Schizophrenia and Autism/Asperger’s Syndrome
Flattened affect is common in schizophrenia and Autism/Asperger’s syndrome. Lewis et al. (2009) point out that “avolition is similar to apathy, and these may be considered closely related, with avolition identifying a deficit in the ability to act, and apathy a loss of concern for an idea or task”. This is very common in Autism/ Asperger’s syndrome and schizophrenia. Lewis et al. (2009) point out that in schizophrenia “the blunting of expression includes deficits in production, facial expression, gestures, and prosody, and understanding these social signals is similarly impaired”. This is also typical of Autism/Asperger’s syndrome. The DSM-IV- TR glossary points out that affective flattening is “the person’s face appearing immobile and unresponsive, with poor eye contact and reduced body language”. This is typical of Asperger’s syndrome. Thaker (2009) points out that in schizophrenia one observes “a lack of facial expression even while describing the experience of an emotion, lack of tonal inflections of the patient’s voice, and reduced expression of feelings through gestures and body language” which is also observed in Autism/ Asperger’s syndrome.

 

Social Relationships in Schizophrenia and Autism/Asperger’s Syndrome
Social withdrawal, lack of interest or motivation to socialise and problems with close personal relationships are common in persons with schizophrenia and Autism/Asperger’s Syndrome. Thaker (2009) also points out that in schizophrenia “social anhedonia results in social isolation and withdrawal… lack of intimate relationships, the latter being further complicated by the lack of sexual interest. Patients are generally unmarried”. These are very common phenomena in Autism/Asperger’s Syndrome as well. Thaker (2009) points out that “anhedonia is most tightly linked with asociality”. This is often true as well for Autism/Asperger’s Syndrome. Keefe and Eesley (2009) point out that “social cognition is related to social impairments in schizophrenia”. They conclude that “path analysis has been used to suggest that the relationship between neurocognitive impairment and social deficits is almost entirely mediated by impairments in social cognition”. The same is true of Autism/Asperger’s Syndrome. Two questions (Andreasen 1984) in relation to persecutory delusions are “have you had trouble getting along with people?” and “have you felt that people are against you?”. These are very commonly answered positively in schizophrenia and Autism/Asperger’s Syndrome. Andreasen (1984) points out that “the patient may behave in an aggressive, agitated manner, often quite unpredictable. He may start arguments inappropriately. He may write letters of a threatening or angry nature to government officials”. These features are seen in schizophrenia and Autism/Asperger’s Syndrome."

[realr0ach]

^Nobody is reading those JayJuanGee spam posts.  Are you flipping back and forth between your Marcus account and "Lambie Slayer" account?

[Lambie Slayer]

Weird to find someone not liking the idea of producing their own energy on a btc forum.

Since hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe and can also be used as energy, I'd probably start looking there.  All a solar panel is is an INDIRECT process to acquire hydrogen generated energy from the sun. Why would you use an inefficient, indirect process when you can use a more efficient, direct process?  Supposedly people have been able to extract hydrogen directly from sea water using only sunlight to power the process, and then you mysteriously never hear anything after the fact.  It is not retarded, centralized, non-fungible, Orwellian tracking systems called "blockchains" that will change the world, it is things like that instead.

Hey low T basement retard, send some of your worthless Silver to The Daily Stormer to help fund them.  

Finances
"The Daily Stormer is primarily funded through donations which Anglin solicits regularly from site visitors.[17]

The site is believed to have received over $200,000 in Bitcoin contributions since it began accepting the cryptocurrency in 2014.[20] A current cryptocurrency wallet has consistently kept approximately $80,000 in Bitcoin on hand.[21][22] Money entering and being spent by the accounts is publicly tracked by a Twitter bot.[23] A Twitter account for the Stormer announced that Coinbase was deleting accounts of persons attempting to send Bitcoin to them;[20] Coinbase stated in general terms that it "prohibits use of an account which would abuse, harass, threaten, or promote violence against others".[24] On August 20, 2017, for example, Anglin received a donation of 14.88 bitcoin, the number being a reference to Fourteen Words, and to Adolf Hitler (H is the eighth letter, so "88" = "HH" = "Heil Hitler"). At the time, it was worth $60,000, but had Anglin kept the entire amount it would have been worth about $235,000 by the end of the year.[25]

One of your fellow mental patients sent them 14.88 Bitcoins, how come they didnt send silver??? Silver is a joke of an investment, just like your entire life is a worthless joke Virgin Roach. You have no purpose in life other than for us to laugh at as Bitcoin heads to 100k and beyond

[Lambie Slayer]

^Nobody is reading those JayJuanGee spam posts.  Are you flipping back and forth between your Marcus account and "Lambie Slayer" account?

Jews all over the world are reading them as they rejoice in your persecution and mental illness. You were right all along, they are out to get you They pay our team very well in Bitcoin.

[realr0ach]

Cops and kike shill intelligence agencies are trained to always use these stupid emoji spams.  Good job having a much lower IQ than the people you are trying to fool and blowing your cover.  Tell us more about your fear people will use physical metals instead of falling for your imaginary, valueless, centralized, digital tracking token scam.

[Lambie Slayer]

Roach my team of high iq white males is paid by powerful Jews to monitor you in your basement. We invented emojis just to drive you mad. Our plan is working, we have stopped you from losing virginity and kept you in your basement for years. You were hand selected bc of low iq and other secret reasons as our test subject. We have earned thousands of Bitcoins for our efforts. Your low Testosterone is due to not only poor genetics, but the estrogen and poison we have been putting in your food. Your mother is on our payroll of course.

Silver is trash. How much have you lost on it

[infofront]

Time Magazine: Why Bitcoin Matters For Freedom

[realr0ach]

Time Magazine: Why Bitcoin Matters For Freedom

(((Time Magazine))) shilling FOR bitcoin is a good thing and not an instant red flag you're doing something wrong and should be in physical metals instead?

Article writer:  Alex Gladstein

"In his work Alex has connected hundreds of dissidents and civil society groups with business leaders, technologists, journalists, philanthropists, policymakers, and artists to promote free and open societies[/size]"

That doesn't sound like George Soros-speak at all!

[marcus_of_augustus]

As for the rest, it’s 2018.  Not believeing in science is only fashionable on YouTube conspiracy channels.   There’s no scientific proof rings as hollow as the cigarette companies that still claim there is no link between cigarette smoking and lung cancer. 

you have no clue what you are talking about ... skeptical scientists have been treated like filth in the media and public forums by the eco-nazis for that long, so now they just shut up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zk7Xfyv6k4

we are living in times of crypto-authoritarian regimes when scientists live in fear of putting forward legitimate results, if you're okay with that keep parroting the party myths ... that's not a conspiracy, that's the reality of our time. Are you a weak-minded fool following the mob and their propaganda masters or are you made of stronger stuff that you will be proud to tell your grandchildren about?

[Lambie Slayer]

Time Magazine: Why Bitcoin Matters For Freedom

(((Time Magazine))) shilling FOR bitcoin is a good thing and not an instant red flag you're doing something wrong and should be in physical metals instead?

Tell me estrogen boy, why cant you send Silver to The Daily Stormer??? Bc its primitive money for bagholders and Bitcoin is the King of money. You will never convince anyone silver is better than Bitcoin.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Seems like there's a little flame war in progress here, but when I was thinking of where the math geeks and TA people hang out on bitcointalk, this was the first thread I thought of.

I made a thread in Economics asking for some smarty-pants math analysis of another thread I was posting in, where the OP (jjjfff) seems to be getting things wrong--but as I explained in my own thread, it's been a long time since I've applied math to anything and don't trust my own analytical skills to figure out what's wrong with what jjjfff is saying.  What he posted about (the Fed printing money and the stock market's response to it and so forth) is interesting to me, but that little voice inside my head is screaming that he's a nutty conspiracy theorist who might be getting his facts wrong.

My thread in Economics is self-moderated and only got two replies so far, only one of which was a little bit useful.  That section is a shithole and I'm sure my thread is getting buried under a mountain of garbage threads.  I'm offering some merits to anyone who can give me some insight into jjjfff's claims, i.e., whether they're correct or way off base.

If anyone is interested in maybe earning some merits and knows math and can explain some of jjjfff's assertions with math to back it up, and also knows a little bit about inflation, the stock market, inflation-adjusted stock charts and TA, please read both my thread and the one by jjjfff that I linked to above and respond in my thread.  I made it self-moderated due to the shitposting problem, but I won't delete posts by anyone who puts some effort into their reply.  My sMerits may run out, but if they do I'll keep track of who made informative posts and merit them when I get more.  I know I'm not offering a huge reward for this, but I hate when people post wrong information.  I'm just not 100% certain jjjfff is wrong. 

Just as an example:  jjjfff made a statement that the slope of the 30-year DJIA chart=% gain, and I know that to be false.  I tried to rebut that, but he said I was overthinking it.

Thanks in advance for any help.

[realr0ach]

^I just started looking at it and all I can say is that jjjfff red line on the chart is the most arbitrary, meaningless line I've ever seen.  About the same or worse than most arbitrary, meaningless lines shitcoiners use in these threads.  There's no type of trend or anything there.  The real line would probably be more like the purple one I drew below, but his goal was to make stocks look better than they are.  

It doesn't matter how much money the govt prints, there are other markets besides the stock market for the money to go into.  Nobody buys overpriced assets no matter how much money you print.  Right now commodities are cheaper compared to all other assets than they've been in like decades, so that's where the money will go.

[jojo69]

Lol

I am now, at some small risk to my opsec, going to alienate myself from both sides of our little WO climate debate.

I remember the first time I heard of climate change.  It was at the Round River Rendezvous in Idaho, '95 I believe it was.  We were having a great time digging up logging roads and drinking beer with Wild Rockies Earth First! when a crew of creepy ass bay area CPUSA types showed up.  They had all their talking points together boy.  They insisted that everyone needed to drop our various campaigns and get together on this climate thing pronto.

This experience has tainted my view of the, often quite compelling, climate science as it developed over the subsequent decades.

I remain agnostic on anthropogenic climate change.

There are quite enough disastrous effects of over industrialization perfectly plain and manifest to anyone who is not willfully ignorant, to give us ample pause about continued growth.  One need not rely on climate change to understand that our effects here are going dangerously asymptotic.  While it is true that life, in some form, will continue regardless of what we do, I rather prefer the ecosystem in which I evolved.

Willful ignorance is a special kind of evil.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

^I just started looking at it and all I can say is that jjjfff red line on the chart is the most arbitrary, meaningless line I've ever seen.  About the same or worse than most arbitrary, meaningless lines shitcoiners use in these threads.

All the mathematics I've learned so long ago is somewhere hidden in my brain, but that info is contributing to my intuition, which is drawing the same conclusion. 

I just don't understand enough about the Fed's money-printing and how it actually works and whether that contributes to the "linearity" of that 30-year chart jjjfff displayed.  I would imagine that interest rates and many other factors are at work, but it appears jjjfff is tunnel vision about the Federal Reserve.

Thanks for replying.  I'd like people to post in my thread or his.  If he's full of shit, I'd like him to hear it and he's not going to if it's all posted in this thread--and it would be way off-topic anyway.  Thanks again, though.

[realr0ach]

^I just started looking at it and all I can say is that jjjfff red line on the chart is the most arbitrary, meaningless line I've ever seen.  About the same or worse than most arbitrary, meaningless lines shitcoiners use in these threads.

All the mathematics I've learned so long ago is somewhere hidden in my brain, but that info is contributing to my intuition, which is drawing the same conclusion.  

I added more to my post with another chart showing commodities too since he seems to pretend money is required to flow to the stock market when it's not.  The commodity super cycle should just be beginning right now. As a side note, I was saying like 2 years ago the DOW would implode to 10k or lower when this bubble bursts, so it's funny the corrected version of that chart aligns directly with that level.  That assumes any type of free market actually exists, though.  If they convert the govt to just full blown communism and never allow mark to market, I guess you can rig the number to anything you want in communism.