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December 29, 2018, 07:24:55 PM

LFC enjoy the rest of the evening

Just WTF happend there

Did anfield explode or what ..... have Fun this evening
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December 29, 2018, 07:26:38 PM

As for the rest, it’s 2018.  Not believeing in science is only fashionable on YouTube conspiracy channels.   There’s no scientific proof rings as hollow as the cigarette companies that still claim there is no link between cigarette smoking and lung cancer. 

you have no clue what you are talking about ... skeptical scientists have been treated like filth in the media and public forums by the eco-nazis for that long, so now they just shut up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zk7Xfyv6k4

we are living in times of crypto-authoritarian regimes when scientists live in fear of putting forward legitimate results, if you're okay with that keep parroting the party myths ... that's not a conspiracy, that's the reality of our time. Are you a weak-minded fool following the mob and their propaganda masters or are you made of stronger stuff that you will be proud to tell your grandchildren about?
Not the best way to bring a point across, but certainly very valid. This critique is precisely why I left academia. It's a commercialized shitshow increasingly void of rigour.
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How Many Full Nodes Bitcoin Online ?

bitserve for you:

gmax / frank1 online

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5080565.80


Thx for the info! Your thread is *very* interesting but really exhausting to properly follow and verify all assertions. Will get back to it at a later time when I can focus Smiley
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December 29, 2018, 07:44:35 PM

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If it is so interesting and at the same time very complicated...
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December 29, 2018, 07:49:00 PM

My new Thread, Economy > Trading Discussion > List Exchanges Hacked 2011/2018

It's ready and members participating.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5090869.0

Tomorrow I will update the data $/<BTC, names founders of the exchanges and how to save BTC in wallet, software, hardware, paper wallet and more.

I would like the WO's to comment on his experience in hacked exchanges.

Thanks in advance. Wink
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December 29, 2018, 08:15:19 PM
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Whenever there is a significant change in global temperature or contemporary opinion, please update this thread with a new shitpost, and a meaningless chart with some erroneous analysis is also welcome, feel free to comment on these if you have something worth contributing, ( if your post is not at all topical it will be merited )

Posting guild lines:
 Please lets keep this thread clean. ( I will be removing no off topic posts )
 Please post random comments on this thread, unless it is directly related to the last wall update (ex. The 20K ask was was NOT sold into, it was removed after being tested)
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December 29, 2018, 08:17:29 PM

lol

and here I thought it was the Jew observer thread
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December 29, 2018, 08:18:34 PM

We've had this discussion already, haven't we.

L2 solutions are meant to take care of transaction costs, if/when they become unbearable. Which, in a world devoid of mempool spam by Bitmain and their minions, won't happen before massive adoption.

Massive adoption cannot happen -- LN cannot onboard more than the population of one small city per day, due to the anemic BTC block weight. How many millions will it take to reach 'massive adoption'? Multiple thousands.

Several solutions are being developed to batch the opening of multiple channels in one transaction. Some solutions are ready to deploy, some others are still in earlier stages. Some depend on Schnorr signatures, some don't. Next significant problem is channel balancing. I am not up to date on this yet.


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How did bcash plan to solve the problem? With a larger highway? It's a non solution, bloating the blockchain linearly with the number*size (not the monetary amount) of transactions. This would have made it impossible to keep bitcoin alive on user-maintained full nodes.

Bald assertion devoid of supporting evidence.
As to blockchain bloat, not much evidence's needed at all. It's simple arithmetic. As to the impossiblity (or extreme unease) of keeping a full node*, it's just a tad less simple to work out the mass storage and bandwidth required. An empirical proof might be found in the statistics about bcash nodes that are active.


* Inb4: it's "a non-mining node that maintains the full, unpruned blockchain" in bigblocker's alternative lingo. The same jagon where "Satoshi's original vision" means some other coin.
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December 29, 2018, 08:27:45 PM

Yeah dude, 0.04 % CO2 in our Air. Its a huuuuuuuge problem. Wow.



Atmosphere of Earth   -    Percentage

Nitrogen    N2    78.084
Oxygen    O2    20.946
Argon    Ar    0.9340
Carbon dioxide    0.04
Neon    Ne    0.001818
Helium    He    0.000524
Methane    CH4    0.000179



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We will soon be on co2 levels that affects our cognitive abilities. It is rising quickly and we will soon all be breathing air equivalent to that in a closed room with no ventilation full of students at the end of a double class.
And that will make us all stupider.

looks like it already affected you..

If you had ever been on a submarine you would have known how infinitesimally small increases in co2 will have dramatic effects.
I'm not going to give you any links because this is common knowledge.
If you had listened in fifth grade biology you would know what C6H12O6 means.

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December 29, 2018, 08:36:08 PM

L2 solutions are meant to take care of transaction costs, if/when they become unbearable. Which, in a world devoid of mempool spam by Bitmain and their minions, won't happen before massive adoption.

Massive adoption cannot happen -- LN cannot onboard more than the population of one small city per day, due to the anemic BTC block weight. How many millions will it take to reach 'massive adoption'? Multiple thousands.


First of all, ~200K/day is still more than ALL current btc users in just 6mo.

I was responding directly to the 'massive adoption' challenge. Demonstrably, LN is incapable of onboarding 'massive adoption' due to the fact that the hard cap on blocksize is a hard cap on the number of people that can open a channel per unit time.

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Second, there are/will be technical solutions as we progress.

We really don't need technical whizbangery when simple block size increase suffices.

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just look at Ethereum ...

I don' know nuttin' 'bout birthin' no Ethereums. Ain't nobody gots time fo' that.
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rudeness is a sign of the opponent's rightness. Answer the question: how will you solve the problem of expensive commissions when the price of bitcoin rises?
will you pay $ 1000 for the transfer or mounth stand in line for $ 100?

L2 solutions are meant to take care of transaction costs, if/when they become unbearable. Which, in a world devoid of mempool spam by Bitmain and their minions, won't happen before massive adoption.

How did bcash plan to solve the problem? With a larger highway? It's a non solution, bloating the blockchain linearly with the number*size (not the monetary amount) of transactions. This would have made it impossible to keep bitcoin alive on user-maintained full nodes.

And what about eth? It's never been a solution to that problem. It's a proprietary token, with the master doing as he pleases and considering switching to PoS just to be sure. Sod immutability and distributed ledgers.

But I guess many WO'ers have told you these things already. You're just being blind, or deaf, or both.

(Rudeness might also be a sign of weariness after reading so many mindless repetitions.)

users do not need to maintain the blockchain and it is dangerous, cold storage is recommended

decentralization does not exist nowhere, the only valuable thing is the proof of work
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L2 solutions are meant to take care of transaction costs, if/when they become unbearable. Which, in a world devoid of mempool spam by Bitmain and their minions, won't happen before massive adoption.

Massive adoption cannot happen -- LN cannot onboard more than the population of one small city per day, due to the anemic BTC block weight. How many millions will it take to reach 'massive adoption'? Multiple thousands.


First of all, ~200K/day is still more than ALL current btc users in just 6mo.

I was responding directly to the 'massive adoption' challenge. Demonstrably, LN is incapable of onboarding 'massive adoption' due to the fact that the hard cap on blocksize is a hard cap on the number of people that can open a channel per unit time.

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Second, there are/will be technical solutions as we progress.

We really don't need technical whizbangery when simple block size increase suffices.


I know that i am not going to change your mind about this, but, still...sometimes 'whizbangery' is needed.

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After stepping back and contemplating the inputs and outputs going on in this thread, it dawned upon me once again just how diverse the constituents of the bitcoin ecosystem are. There is no "center" or ideology that has majority over another. It seems to draw from all walks of life, political and economic variance is the norm not the exception. I think it might be bitcoins greatest strength. That we can all have such divergent philosophies and still reach consensus in a mathematically proven way is truly a gift beyond compare.


I do find it strange that this threads participation and viewership rises considerably when such off topic posts are made however...  I am sure it is just a coincidence.
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L2 solutions are meant to take care of transaction costs, if/when they become unbearable. Which, in a world devoid of mempool spam by Bitmain and their minions, won't happen before massive adoption.

Massive adoption cannot happen -- LN cannot onboard more than the population of one small city per day, due to the anemic BTC block weight. How many millions will it take to reach 'massive adoption'? Multiple thousands.


First of all, ~200K/day is still more than ALL current btc users in just 6mo.

I was responding directly to the 'massive adoption' challenge. Demonstrably, LN is incapable of onboarding 'massive adoption' due to the fact that the hard cap on blocksize is a hard cap on the number of people that can open a channel per unit time.
... unless you batch the operations. Which is already possible, although not yet deployed.

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We really don't need technical whizbangery when simple block size increase suffices.
We really don't need technical whizbangery when simple fiat money suffices.

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December 29, 2018, 09:00:37 PM

the engine on water invented long ago, but the fuel companys always destroy such inventions, so as not to lose power https://youtu.be/Jivb7lupDNU

therefore, a million old modems 56 for them is better than one novelty, the future for a gross increase of block size
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The problem I see is that scientists who disagree are being pushed out of the debate. Which leads to dogma and very little science.

We had that issue in my country.  Some background checks were done on the scientists that disagreed with the 97%.  It turns out they were funded by an independent policy think tank. Whose largest donor was a large coal company.

Sometimes even scientists are corrupt.  
Show me any significant number of the 97% scientists conducting research into the counter to their own arguments and you'll have true science. If you look for ways to confirm what you believe or suspect you will always find something given enough time. Unless they are actively trying to shit on their own arguments there's no science being conducted. And what I've seen was always the same old same old, namely regurgitating the common consensus. Which is understandable as well, as anything else won't get funded and academia is way more competitive than it should be already.

Do I think that going solar and shit like that is good? Sure, but mostly for the decentralization aspect and the thus introduced autonomy of the individual, as well as the fact that oil etc is finite and too expensive. We've had climate changing for longer than we've existed and anyone who thinks that scientists have figured out even a fraction of climate, despite the fact that they can not even accurately predict the weather, is believing in voodoo and fairies. Climate is far too complex for our laughable tools to grasp right now. Maybe in a few decades or centuries we'll have a chance, but as is I see attempts and a bunch of people profiteering off of them.

I thought that oil, tobacco, drugs and co would be enough to not actually believe anything anyone says these days. You might be inclined in a certain way, but having firm beliefs and fighting over them seems retarded to me. Especially when the most brilliant scientists were literally driven insane (e.g. Cantor who was put into an insane asylum for his discoveries regarding different types of infinity among many others).



Edit: Marked part of your post in bold, as it's precisely the point that I've tried to make here. Small addition, sometimes the majority doesn't even realize that they've become corrupted.
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We've had this discussion already, haven't we.

::sigh:: Indeed, we have. Yet you continue to re-engage.

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L2 solutions are meant to take care of transaction costs, if/when they become unbearable. Which, in a world devoid of mempool spam by Bitmain and their minions, won't happen before massive adoption.

Massive adoption cannot happen -- LN cannot onboard more than the population of one small city per day, due to the anemic BTC block weight. How many millions will it take to reach 'massive adoption'? Multiple thousands.

Several solutions are being developed to batch the opening of multiple channels in one transaction.

Tell me - how do many individuals make their channel openings part of the same tx?

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How did bcash plan to solve the problem? With a larger highway? It's a non solution, bloating the blockchain linearly with the number*size (not the monetary amount) of transactions. This would have made it impossible to keep bitcoin alive on user-maintained full nodes.

Bald assertion devoid of supporting evidence.
As to blockchain bloat, not much evidence's needed at all. It's simple arithmetic.

Yet you show none?

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As to the impossiblity (or extreme unease) of keeping a full node*, it's just a tad less simple to work out the mass storage and bandwidth required.

Neither Moore's nor Nielsen's so-called 'laws' have yet run their course. Back when the founder acquiesced to a block size cap of 1MB, computing power, storage capacity, and network bandwidth were drastically smaller than today.
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L2 solutions are meant to take care of transaction costs, if/when they become unbearable. Which, in a world devoid of mempool spam by Bitmain and their minions, won't happen before massive adoption.

Massive adoption cannot happen -- LN cannot onboard more than the population of one small city per day, due to the anemic BTC block weight. How many millions will it take to reach 'massive adoption'? Multiple thousands.


First of all, ~200K/day is still more than ALL current btc users in just 6mo.

I was responding directly to the 'massive adoption' challenge. Demonstrably, LN is incapable of onboarding 'massive adoption' due to the fact that the hard cap on blocksize is a hard cap on the number of people that can open a channel per unit time.

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Second, there are/will be technical solutions as we progress.

We really don't need technical whizbangery when simple block size increase suffices.


I know that i am not going to change your mind about this, but, still...sometimes 'whizbangery' is needed.

We had an explosion of whizbangery a decade ago. We had not come close to riding that to its natural conclusion before wizards that thought they knew better perverted the system.

Oh well, devs gotta dev.
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2) species loss ... ok maybe this is an issue, it's subjective and depends on your feelings though. Massive extinction events have happened regularly in the Earth's past from various means. How much species diversity is exactly the right amount? do you feel like playing god to determine that? humans have cultivated huge quantities of biomass in the form of crops, cows, sheep, pigs, chickens, there are probably more animals alive on the planet today than at any time in the past, let's celebrate mammalian abundance husbanded by humans! ... are they just not the "right" animals for your liking? my liking? his liking? should we all be living in teepees and hunting the roaming meager herds of buffalo in competition with wolves and large cats? Who really knows what is the right balance for number of species and quantities of each species that should be alive on earth at any particular time? It's just an excessively complicated question to believe anyone who claims to know the answer, they are just bullshitting you to gain an advantage over you somehow.


Very much the crux of the matter as I see it.  Yes, as I have consistently maintained, my preference for the complex and diverse arrangement of forms out of which human intelligence arose is largely aesthetic.

You have demonstrated yourself not to be willfully ignorant.  You must understand that your preference for a subdued planet brought wholly under the reign of humanity is also aesthetic, a selfish and misguided aesthetic in my view but there it is.

I do not demand that you share my aesthetic values, though I will resist the conversion of wildness to commodity to the end.

We need natural habitats because it is where we, humans, will at some time spend all of our time in the absence of meaningful high intelligence requiring jobs.
With machines already on the verge of doing very complicated tasks much better than us and getting true insight into the nature of things (that they would be probably incapable of conveying back to us-see my other post), we would need nature more than ever.
Just one example: a machine is capable of reading X-rays 150 times faster than radiologist (making 250-300K/year) and giving a better diagnosis.
How you are going to compete with it? You can't, basically, unless you implement some luddite laws, but then you lose productivity.
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the engine on water invented long ago, but the fuel companys always destroy such inventions, so as not to lose power https://youtu.be/Jivb7lupDNU

therefore, a million old modems 56 for them is better than one novelty, the future for a gross increase of block size

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