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[Ibian]

Yet you try to use those to disprove a completely different claim that you have made up (and constantly keep changing with new examples). All while trying to portray me as some kind of inhumane devil.

The point I am making, which you seem to be incapable of understanding, is that it is often outside of the power of the victim to change their circumstances.  Because they are a fucking slave.  

And there are relatively easy ways for us as Westerners to improve their situation.  But the ethos I see constantly repeated on this board (Ibian being a classic example) is that we shouldn't try, even if it is in our own interest to do so.  And I find that disgusting.  

You have not even managed to identify the biggest western problems. Slavery in shithole countries is not among them.

USA has 400,000 slaves, shit country.  9,000 people in Denmark in slavery - shitty place.  Canada, 17,000 slaves.  Cold and shit.  Australia, 15,000 slaves.  Warm and shit.  Switzerland, 14,000 slaves.  Chocolate and shit.  Etc.  

Okay you are just making shit up now. We are done here.

[HairyMaclairy]

Okay you are just making shit up now. We are done here.

Read the website yourself



https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/

[Ibian]

Okay you are just making shit up now. We are done here.

Read the website yourself



https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/

If debt bondage is slavery then a bank loan is slavery. You are being deliberately absurd. Your entire argument is based on false premises. And as usual, you know it.

[HairyMaclairy]

If the only advocacy you are doing is typing on a bitcoin speculation thread, then its probably about as an inefficient of an advocacy campaign as you could possible choose to do with your time. Thats why it comes across (and seems more likely to be) much more of depression-like complaining, pontificating and lamenting.

Yeah my local politician is sick of my phone calls.  He is also sick of my fund raising for the other side because he isnt doing shit.  With any luck he will be out of a job next election.  

[El duderino_]

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[HairyMaclairy]

If debt bondage is slavery then a bank loan is slavery. You are being deliberately absurd. Your entire argument is based on false premises. And as usual, you know it.

One random quote from the US State Department:

Thai victims are recruited for employment opportunities abroad and deceived into incurring large debts on broker and recruitment fees, sometimes using family-owned land as collateral, making them vulnerable to exploitation at their destination. Thai nationals are known to be subjected to forced labor or sex trafficking in Australia, Bahrain, Brunei, Canada, China, Germany, India, Indonesia, Israel, Japan, Kuwait, Libya, Malaysia, the Maldives, Qatar, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, South Africa, South Korea, Sri Lanka, Taiwan, Timor-Leste, the United Arab Emirates, the United Kingdom, the United States, Vietnam, and Yemen.

https://www.state.gov/documents/organization/210742.pdf

[Ibian]

If debt bondage is slavery then a bank loan is slavery. You are being deliberately absurd. Your entire argument is based on false premises. And as usual, you know it.

One random quote from the US State Department:

Thai victims are recruited for employment opportunities abroad and deceived into incurring large debts on broker and recruitment fees, sometimes using family-owned land as collateral, making them vulnerable to exploitation at their destination. Thai nationals are known to be subjected to forced labor or sex trafficking in Australia, Bahrain, Brunei, Canada, China, Germany, India, Indonesia, Israel, Japan, Kuwait, Libya, Malaysia, the Maldives, Qatar, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, South Africa, South Korea, Sri Lanka, Taiwan, Timor-Leste, the United Arab Emirates, the United Kingdom, the United States, Vietnam, and Yemen.

https://www.state.gov/documents/organization/210742.pdf

Finish the current argument before moving on. Does a bank loan make you a slave, yes or no?

[HairyMaclairy]

If the bank flys you to a foreign country, takes away your passport, locks you in a compound and makes you carry out sex acts for pennies a day until you pay off the loan, yes.  Otherwise probably not.

[Ibian]

If the bank flys you to a foreign country, takes away your passport, locks you in a compound and makes you carry out sex acts for pennies a day until you pay off the loan, yes.  Otherwise probably not.

Just answer the bloody question. It's amazing that lefties always do the same thing. Lots of words that say very little, and in as confusing and distracting a way as possible. Yes or no?

[600watt]

Name me one example in which you will see strictly better results by complaining than by thinking up different potential solutions. You can't. Because complaining is a destructive force with a net effect that is either zero or negative.

What you call "complaining" I call advocacy.  And advocacy works.  We wouldn't have the UK modern slavery laws without advocacy.  

Making it illegal for Western companies to profit from slavery is highly effective, because the directors go directly to jail.  And guess what, company directors sit up in their chairs and pay attention when you say "if you don't do X, you will go to jail".   Then the directors tell their C-suite, "don't fuck up on X, or I will fire you without hesitation".  Those are real results, in real time.  

That is one you will see strictly better results by "complaining" rather than blaming the victim.  

Because what you are doing is blaming the slave for being a slave.  And that achieves nothing.  People like you avoid having to take responsibility for anything by always blaming the victim.  "If he wasn't such a dissident, he wouldn't have gone to Chinese prison camp". 

well stated. btw complaining about others complaining is... complaining.  

[HairyMaclairy]

If the bank flys you to a foreign country, takes away your passport, locks you in a compound and makes you carry out sex acts for pennies a day until you pay off the loan, yes.  Otherwise probably not.

Just answer the bloody question. It's amazing that lefties always do the same thing. Lots of words that say very little, and in as confusing and distracting a way as possible. Yes or no?

No. It lacks the coercive elements.

[Ibian]

If the bank flys you to a foreign country, takes away your passport, locks you in a compound and makes you carry out sex acts for pennies a day until you pay off the loan, yes.  Otherwise probably not.

Just answer the bloody question. It's amazing that lefties always do the same thing. Lots of words that say very little, and in as confusing and distracting a way as possible. Yes or no?

No. It lacks the coercive elements.

Where on that site do they specify that they do not count bank loans as slavery?

[JayJuanGee]

If the bank flys you to a foreign country, takes away your passport, locks you in a compound and makes you carry out sex acts for pennies a day until you pay off the loan, yes.  Otherwise probably not.

Just answer the bloody question. It's amazing that lefties always do the same thing. Lots of words that say very little, and in as confusing and distracting a way as possible. Yes or no?

There are no yes or no answers, Ibian.

For the most part, the world does not work like that.   

[Globb0]

*snip*

I don't remember when I specifically said "an expensive boat". I said a yacht. Maybe that's why you are confused since yachts are usually expensive boats. I should have said "a boat" my bad.

A sailboat has the same meaning as a yacht for me. So I was actually describing a sailboat.

for example:



I think that's a reasonable goal.
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Wow I use this exact example when Im talking to people about communication, requirements and having a clear vision.

2 people can be saying boat, neither is wrong, and yet they can be so far away from each other. Its the perfect example.

[HairyMaclairy]

Debt bondage
Debt bondage is a status or condition, where one person has pledged their labour or service (or that of someone under their control), in circumstances where the fair value of that labour or service is not reasonably applied to reducing the debt or length of debt, or the length and nature of the service is not limited or defined.

If you are not working for the owner of the debt, it’s not debt bondage.   Your bank does not determine your wage.

[Ibian]

Debt bondage
Debt bondage is a status or condition, where one person has pledged their labour or service (or that of someone under their control), in circumstances where the fair value of that labour or service is not reasonably applied to reducing the debt or length of debt, or the length and nature of the service is not limited or defined.

If you are not working for the owner of the debt, it’s not debt bondage.  

Too many subjective terms there. What is fair value? What is a reasonable application? You could easily argue that the amount of interest the typical bank takes is unreasonable, for example.

That's the problem with leftist causes. There is just enough ambiguity that they can get away with whatever definition they want. And that makes their claims worthless.

I'm done with that particular issue now, it leads nowhere. The bigger issue is that we have bigger problems than shithole country slavery. At most it's a symptom of a larger problem.

[Saint-loup]

Shocking if true... mostly its inside job, I always fear of such incidents I knew one low level exchange saving their data on google drive.

Hacked Customer Data From World Leading Cryptocurrency Exchanges like Bittrex, Poloniex, Bitfinex, and Binance is sale On The Dark Web?

On a darknet market called “Dread,” a vendor going by “ExploitDOT” is attempting to sell user data from the know-your-customer (KYC) data top cryptocurrency exchanges ask for, required by most jurisdictions.

the hacker has an ad that has been online since July 2018, in which he claims to have hacked documents used in KYC checks – including identity cards and drivers’ licenses – from users of top exchanges.



As proof, the cybersecurity expert got pictures of individuals holding up a piece of paper with the word “Binance” and the date the picture was taken at. In these pictures, their faces are visible, as well as their identity cards or drivers’ licenses.

https://www.ccn.com/hacked-customer-data-from-world-leading-cryptocurrency-exchanges-for-sale-on-the-dark-web/

Update:

There is an official response from Binance CEO

Binance KYC data breach is fake news
https://decryptmedia.com/4609/binance-kyc-data-breach

[Globb0]

https://abacusjournal.com/jp-morgan-chatter-bakkt-infrastructure-jp-morgan-eyes-bakkt-and-ice-infrastructure-%e2%80%8bas-easy-on-ramp%e2%80%8b-for-crypto-exposure/


JP Morgan will buy bitcoins on BAKKT when they open.

Because of the easy on ramp, but don't they own Poloniex now, or circle group or something? is it easier than their own stuff?

[mindrust]

*snip*

I don't remember when I specifically said "an expensive boat". I said a yacht. Maybe that's why you are confused since yachts are usually expensive boats. I should have said "a boat" my bad.

A sailboat has the same meaning as a yacht for me. So I was actually describing a sailboat.

for example:



I think that's a reasonable goal.

Wow I use this exact example when Im talking to people about communication, requirements and having a clear vision.

2 people can be saying boat, neither is wrong, and yet they can be so far away from each other. Its the perfect example.

Yeah I saw how he is failing to understand me so i searched "yacht" on google.

These are the results:



That's when I realized the word "yacht" doesn't mean what I thought it does.

These "yachts" not reasonable goals for average Joe's. Don't aim for impossible shit.

[Globb0]

On an unrelated side note. It's quite interesting how the subsets of shared opinion holders on this thread seem to go through all possible permutations.

a bit like machine learning