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[realr0ach]

realr0ach is on fire!

Why must I be surrounded by retarded, digital shitcoin scammers.  I miss the Aryan plains of Rhodesia.

[VB1001]

Hodl Hodl Wants You to Clone Its P2P Bitcoin Exchange

Hodl Hodl plans to make its software freely available so anyone can launch their own version of the peer-to-peer bitcoin exchange.

Announced Saturday at the Baltic Honeybadger conference in Riga, Latvia, the plan is, in part, a recognition that Hodl Hodl’s business model is vulnerable to regulatory crackdowns.

“History teaches us that if a government wants to shut you down, it will,” Hodl Hodl CEO Max Keidun told CoinDesk.

https://www.coindesk.com/hodl-hodl-wants-you-to-clone-its-p2p-bitcoin-exchange

[Hueristic]

<snip>
Despite being Italian, fillippone is not a total cunt. Read his beginner's guide. No short cuts, read it all
<snip>

Oh thanks,
Not 100% cunt then.
Ok, that’s a start...I have room to improve (toward 0%)

Don't take it too hard... Everyone is a bit of a cunt Except the French, they're massive cunts

Well they are blocking Libra, give some credit them.

France and Germany agree to block Facebook's Libra

PARIS (Reuters) - France and Germany have agreed to block Facebook’s Libra cryptocurrency, the French finance ministry said on Friday.

In a joint statement, the two governments affirmed that “no private entity can claim monetary power, which is inherent to the sovereignty of nations”.

French Finance Minister Bruno Le Maire said on Thursday that Facebook’s new cryptocurrency should not be allowed to operate in Europe while concerns persist about sovereignty and persistent financial risks.

And they did make microshaft change data collection practices IIRC so gotta give them credit for that.
Now if they would only bathe.

Or maybe no one will EVER understand what the fuck bitcoin actually is.

Right, like that's really a private key underneath that scratcher?  Pretty fucking lazy scam if you ask me.

I don't think that they are complete morons.
There must be an explanation that makes it something that can work, at least theoretically.

Upon further check, there is a procedure, not sure how well it would work.
First, passphrase is printed, then covered, then encrypted key unlocked by the passphrase is randomly generated at the second location.
They claim that after wallet's private key (encrypted) is printed on the wallet, the data is destroyed (at their end).

TL;DR they generate the passphrase and an encrypted private key in two different geographic locations, then apply both (together or in sequence?) to the wallet printout/etching.

Or we can just trust Zcashes trusted setup?
Sorry I couldn't hold back.
I think my meds all kicked in at once this morning!

The only bankster I trust is myself because I am my own bank. 

I'm not sure I trust myself now!
And If I ever become my own Lawyer I will have to kill myself.


Hmm come to think of it I may have taken too many of the red pills this morning...

[Biodom]

<snip>
Despite being Italian, fillippone is not a total cunt. Read his beginner's guide. No short cuts, read it all
<snip>

Oh thanks,
Not 100% cunt then.
Ok, that’s a start...I have room to improve (toward 0%)

Don't take it too hard... Everyone is a bit of a cunt Except the French, they're massive cunts

Well they are blocking Libra, give some credit them.

France and Germany agree to block Facebook's Libra

PARIS (Reuters) - France and Germany have agreed to block Facebook’s Libra cryptocurrency, the French finance ministry said on Friday.

In a joint statement, the two governments affirmed that “no private entity can claim monetary power, which is inherent to the sovereignty of nations”.

French Finance Minister Bruno Le Maire said on Thursday that Facebook’s new cryptocurrency should not be allowed to operate in Europe while concerns persist about sovereignty and persistent financial risks.

And they did make microshaft change data collection practices IIRC so gotta give them credit for that.
Now if they would only bathe.

Or maybe no one will EVER understand what the fuck bitcoin actually is.

Right, like that's really a private key underneath that scratcher?  Pretty fucking lazy scam if you ask me.

I don't think that they are complete morons.
There must be an explanation that makes it something that can work, at least theoretically.

Upon further check, there is a procedure, not sure how well it would work.
First, passphrase is printed, then covered, then encrypted key unlocked by the passphrase is randomly generated at the second location.
They claim that after wallet's private key (encrypted) is printed on the wallet, the data is destroyed (at their end).

TL;DR they generate the passphrase and an encrypted private key in two different geographic locations, then apply both (together or in sequence?) to the wallet printout/etching.

Or we can just trust Zcashes trusted setup?
Sorry I couldn't hold back.
I think my meds all kicked in at once this morning!

The only bankster I trust is myself because I am my own bank.  

I'm not sure I trust myself now!
And If I ever become my own Lawyer I will have to kill myself.


Hmm come to think of it I may have taken too many of the red pills this morning...

Meds that would make me humorous? Interesting.
Wifey is saying that I was the best husband ever when I was taking muscle relaxants for a sprained neck.
So, sometimes meds do something 'funny".
Those oldies who remember "Seinfeld"....."Stelllaaaa!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTi7VtrLL0k

I should take some, then yell "Zookoooooo!!!" (only Zcash aficionados would know).

[xhomerx10]

Ummmm

 Two great tastes that should have remained separate.

[Last of the V8s]

huh? dove flavoured coffee? whatever will they think of next?

[Wilhelm]

CME’s BTC Index Provider CF Benchmarks Wins EU License

CF Benchmarks, CME Group’s Bitcoin (BTC) index provider, received a benchmark license under the European Benchmarks Regulation (EU BMR).

On Sept. 13, CF Benchmarks’ official Twitter account announced that the firm received its license from the United Kingdom’s Financial Conduct Authority (FCA). In the tweet, the firm also claims to be the first cryptocurrency index provider to reach this goal:

“CF Benchmarks is the first #crypto index provider to receive EU BMR authorisation from [the FCA].”

https://cointelegraph.com/news/cmes-btc-index-provider-cf-benchmarks-wins-eu-license

Correct me if I'm wrong but this is a stable indicator that they need in order to set a futures market that is considered safe enough for the mainstream? This institutionalized jargon they wrap up whether the average person is capable of making his own decisions is intentionally obfuscated and i can't keep up nor remember the intricacies.

What's the difference between a rooster and a lawyer?

A rooster clucks defiance while a lawyer...
_____

This took me waaayyy too long to figure out ....

Me too and whats even worse is I know i have heard it before and just forgot the punchline!

It's not for plebs.

Ohh Snap! Lol

Ballet - The World’s First Multicurrency, Non-electronic Hardware Wallet.

Complete with scratch off private key.  Erm lol thanks Bobby Lee. 




https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/balletcrypto/ballet-cryptocurrency-hardware-wallet

Sounded and looked really cool until I started thinking of a few things.
1) Backing it up without exposing the private scratch off
2) If pre-generated then how do they prove they didn't keep a list of private keys?
3) If I can't back it up then I can use it for Cold storage right?

But

PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS WALLET IS NOT FIRE PROOF. DO NOT EXPOSE THE WALLET TO FIRE OR ANY OTHER CORROSIVE AGENTS.

So how am I supposed to use this, like a normal only keep chump change in it use case?
The kickstarter page mentions bitcointalk as a place to bid on the auction for the first few low digit serial numbers so do you have a link?

~snip

I prefer offtopic talking about precious metals or dirty fiat, but please, take the Bcash talk to another place.

I prefer rocket/train memes and cleavage 

 Mmmm... cleavage

Thats a gash.

 This is a gash 

^^^
Not THAT if Fucking Hilarious!
Literally guffawed on that one!

That dude on the right is looking at it with his hands in his pockets thinking "I thought I had seen it all, a fuckhead getting stuck in a sculpture?, I seriously need another job"

[VB1001]

Excellent drink selection as usual @hodlhodl Baltic Honeybadger 2019

https://twitter.com/lopp/status/1172890499587485696

 

[shahzadafzal]

Watch this video Who ACTUALLY Created Bitcoin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcYnz29l8_0

Well a nice video I would say, this "The Infographics Show" indeed discussed almost all the possible names including

• Vili Lehdonvirta (Tech researcher from Finland)
• Gavin Andresen (guy who took over bitcoin after Nakamoto )
• Craig Wright (Australian computer scientist)
• Dave Kleiman ( Computer forensics expert from US, died in 2013)
• Hal Finney (Computer programmer, died in 2014)
• Dorian Nakamoto (A Japanese guy living near Hal Finney, P2P account of Satoshi Nakamoto denied being him)
• Nick Szabo (Invisioned BitGold, but denied himself being Nakamoto)

Others
- Elon Musk (Tesla & SpaceX)
- Shinichi Mochizuki (Japanese Mathematician)
- Ross Ulbricht (Creator of Silk Road)
- US Government

[jojo69]

Perhaps scribes will put it in the King Jimbo's translation

That's always been my favorite.  I think all the thees and thous give it more, I dunno, gravitas.

[LUCKMCFLY]

British artist knows what he wants!





Source: https://www.diariobitcoin.com/index.php/2019/09/14/artista-britanico-lincoln-townley-vende-coleccion-de-19-obras-por-490-bitcoins/?from=bitven.com

For some time this artist wants to revolutionize the artistic world by reaching those people who do not know about technology and bitcoin, we have artists, football teams, I think we are on a very good path.

[jojo69]

wow



50% of Saudi production offline...

[Hueristic]

Meds that would make me humorous? Interesting.
Wifey is saying that I was the best husband ever when I was taking muscle relaxants for a sprained neck.
So, sometimes meds do something 'funny".
Those oldies who remember "Seinfeld"....."Stelllaaaa!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTi7VtrLL0k

I should take some, then yell "Zookoooooo!!!" (only Zcash aficionados would know).

Haha, thanks man, I always try to be humorous but i guess i have been failing as of late. I'll have to keep up this regimen.

Bitcoin, what is it? Why you should buy NOW!?

If you don't know who this is, he is a pretty famous early adopter. He has many precious metal videos before he knew about bitcoin too. He was literally screaming at everybody to get in when it was pennies. Warned people before the Mt. Gox collapse.

Now he gives the buy signal by simply saying...

BUY

From the video:

Put 0.1% of your wealth in Bitcoin. If I am right, that 0.1% will cover all the losses from your other assets.

Pretty hardcore shit.

Damn, I started watching that vid and said oh yeah i remeber this one so clicked on this guy "ROBERT KIYOSAKI" and have been watching his vids do long when I went to reply my session verification failed. I actually stopped watching his vids when he called bitcoin a shiny object and said he only owns 5 of them.

That dude on the right is looking at it with his hands in his pockets thinking "I thought I had seen it all, a fuckhead getting stuck in a sculpture?, I seriously need another job"

Yeah man, you nailed that one!
I hadn't even noticed.

Excellent drink selection as usual @hodlhodl Baltic Honeybadger 2019

https://twitter.com/lopp/status/1172890499587485696

 

Very cool, i especially like the tears one.

wow



50% of Saudi production offline...

Damn better go fill up all the vehicles (90 gallon tank on the winnie!).

Good time to buy oil futures I guess, first time ever saying that.

[JayJuanGee]

Bitcoin, what is it? Why you should buy NOW!?

If you don't know who this is, he is a pretty famous early adopter. He has many precious metal videos before he knew about bitcoin too. He was literally screaming at everybody to get in when it was pennies. Warned people before the Mt. Gox collapse.

Now he gives the buy signal by simply saying...

BUY

From the video:

Put 0.1% of your wealth in Bitcoin. If I am right, that 0.1% will cover all the losses from your other assets.

Pretty hardcore shit.

In my thinking, he seems to be way too conservative in his recommendation of .1% - even though I will concede that.1% is better than 0%.

I recommend 1% to 10%, and accordingly people can choose their level based on their own comfort and situation, but 1%, for me, is the minimum for anyone with any kind of investment horizon that is at least 4-5 years.  Pompliano is also recommending 1% as the minimum, but I had been recommending 1% as a minimum for years .. likely before Pompliano got into bitcoin.

Largely, I started recommending that everyone should put "something" into bitcoin since about late 2014 - even though I believe that when I first started recommending that everyone put something into bitcoin, I was a bit non-specific and I would kind of see how the conversation went before I would start to become specific with people.

I guess practice, practice, practice pays off, but also the performance of bitcoin over the years, including the various attacks that it pushed through in 2016 and moreso in 2017-ish have caused me to have a lot more confidence in my recommendations.  In essence, I have gotten a lot more adamant about my recommendation since about late 2017, and even suggesting that people are somewhat retarded (even though I don't always tend to use that word when talking directly to peeps) if they do not put at least 1% of their quasi-liquid investment portfolio into bitcoin.  At the same time, I also would tell people to do the fuck what they want, but they should be at least 1% in bitcoin..   hahahahahaha...

People hear what they want to hear, and would still usually ignore me, in spite my somewhat adamance...... Then when the BTC price goes up, on the inside (and sometimes on the outside), I am laughing the fuck at no coiners and fence sitters who have enough of a kernal of adequate and sufficient bitcoin information but fail/refuse to take any kind of stake at all in bitcoin and/or even fail/refuse to set up bitcoin related accounts which I suggest is the preliminary point even before buying BTC... too much work, too much work... you snooze, you lose.   

[JayJuanGee]

Another thing, why do you think the network fees went nuts while the ATH was happening in 2017?

People were literally outbidding each other by paying more fees to send their coins faster to the exchanges so they could dump!

I don't buy that dumping story.

Sure, there was some increase in actual on-chain BTC traffic during late 2017 and early 2018 (actually about December 2017 to January 2018), but there was also some expensive attacking going on during that time that the attackers considered to be in their interest, NOT only for the clogging effect, but the fact that they could spin those kinds of facts for years into the future, which seems to be what is happening with people still discussing the increase in BTC onchain traffic as if it were merely an "organic" phenomenon within bitcoin (which is only partly true, at best).

Another thing, why do you think the network fees went nuts while the ATH was happening in 2017?

People were literally outbidding each other by paying more fees to send their coins faster to the exchanges so they could dump!

People were outbidding each other just to make ANY bitcoin transaction. The reason for high fees in 2017 were BCH crooks trying to clog bitcoin network and promote their point by sending hundreds of spam transactions to be included in every block. There are no spam transactions now because those same crooks need every bitcoin they mine now to support the price of Bitmain's corporate coin (aka Bcash).

I don't deny that but I can't really say it was %100 Bitmain/Vermin Co. Still can't be sure though. Maybe they were %100... but then... why don't they do it now? Or why they didn't do it before the ATH? Maybe they wanted to combine their spam with the real demand to increase the effects. I still believe there were some real hardcore demand in 2017 for the on-chain transactions.

Of course, there is some truth in the "organic growth" presentation of matters, but there was still an attack going on that should not be ignored, even ethereum pumpeners could have been in on it.  Coinbase was failing/refusing to batch transaction and engaging in their pumpenings bullshit too.

Remember also that in late 2017, bcash was still trying to figure out to do with its various attacks and figuring out what kind of effect that such attacks were going to have including hopenium that their stupid-ass fork would be successful and then having the segwit2x bullshit and the ethereum flippening funzies.. there was a lot going on, so the bcash fucktards were not necessarily always coordinated in what they were going to do or what they were going to try next, hoping to have effects while they were perceiving (perhaps in their fantasy thinking) to keep punching while they had bitcoin on the ropes.

Another thing, why do you think the network fees went nuts while the ATH was happening in 2017?

People were literally outbidding each other by paying more fees to send their coins faster to the exchanges so they could dump!

People were outbidding each other just to make ANY bitcoin transaction. The reason for high fees in 2017 were BCH crooks trying to clog bitcoin network and promote their point by sending hundreds of spam transactions to be included in every block. There are no spam transactions now because those same crooks need every bitcoin they mine now to support the price of Bitmain's corporate coin (aka Bcash).

I don't deny that but I can't really say it was %100 Bitmain/Vermin Co. Still can't be sure though. Maybe they were %100... but then... why don't they do it now? Or why they didn't do it before the ATH? Maybe they wanted to combine their spam with the real demand to increase the effects. I still believe there were some real hardcore demand in 2017 for the on-chain transactions.

I have already explained why.
Another reason is to not induce accelerated development of the Lightning Network which actually is the Bitcoin killer app.

Exact was a cumulative of circumstances that coincided with the fork BCH, SegWit, CME futures, FOMO

Exactly I kinda feel like becoin's view on this matter is very one-dimensional. It was a series of events all happening at once.

There wasn't any segwit adoption > high fees
No LN > high fees (we don't know how much LN helps right now though)
High demand > naturally high fees
Bad miners > high fees
No batching from the exchanges > yep you guessed right.

You can't explain it that simple by saying it was all Roger. Nope, it wasn't that simple.

Of course, there was a lot going on, but still trying to downplay the actual attacks and to suggest that there was a bit of an organic growth issue for bitcoin if giving way the fuck too much benefit of the doubt to fucktard bitcoin naysaying and altcoin pumper FUD spreaders.  You are caught up too much in your own fantasy if you are trying to explain without giving adequate credit to both the incentive to spam and the actual spamming that was taking place during that time.

[mindrust]

JJG,

That guy expects a full financial system collapse. Full fledged doom and gloom.

Ofc %1 is better. Ofc %10 is a lot better idea. If I wasn't such a puss, I would have gone %100 instead of going %21. (I believe %21 is better than %10  )

He says over and over again, FIAT is a scam and a ponzi. Bitcoin is not. One of them is going to evaporate. In this scenario, 0.1% will be enough to keep your life standards. You'll continue from where you left just like you were doing before "the doom"

%10+ hodlers will be probably the new wealthy elites. (I can see LFC is having an orgasm now)

He is just trying to ease the average Joe's in. I remember myself in 2013-2014 I never would imagine myself investing in bitcoin with my hard earned "real" money.

[HairyMaclairy]

huh? dove flavoured coffee? whatever will they think of next?

Alcoholic dove

[JayJuanGee]

JJG,

That guy expects a full financial system collapse. Full fledged doom and gloom.

Ofc %1 is better. Ofc %10 is a lot better idea. If I wasn't such a puss, I would have gone %100 instead of going %21. (I believe %21 is better than %10  )

He says over and over again, FIAT is a scam and a ponzi. Bitcoin is not. One of them is going to evaporate. In this scenario, 0.1% will be enough to keep your life standards. You'll continue from where you left just like you were doing before "the doom"

%10+ hodlers will be probably the new wealthy elites. (I can see LFC is having an orgasm now)

I suppose that we are just batting around ideas, and of course, there are going to be various perspectives as to why and what people believe to be prudent levels of diversification..

Getting off of zero surely would be prudent, and even though you feel nervous about your only putting in 21% in, you gotta recognize that there is a decent amount of value to NOT be gambling too much, even with an asset that causes you large bullishness, and surely there is a lot of comfort to have some fiat to be able to buy more bitcoin when it unexpectedly dips and also having some certainty that your expenses are going to be covered, your head is covered and food is on the table... so yeah, I am not going to be to critical of people who go further in their allocation amounts, and surely it helps, too, with peeps like you who have been around the BTC block a few times, versus talking to folks who are just getting in and trying to get a feel of various aspects, including the basics of both having their personal finances in order and questions about whether to hold value on exchanges versus the preferred practice of keeping a decent amount in private key protecting mode which can be complicated even when we hear about attack vectors that are present with easy to use mechanisms, such as Trezor.

[Globb0]

huh? dove flavoured coffee? whatever will they think of next?

Alcoholic dove

the easiest of the doves to catch

[Last of the V8s]

https://twitter.com/sqcrypto/status/1172893035140567040

We’re giving a bunch of money to @BtcpayServer, a product that appears to be in direct competition with our mothership. It isn’t. Here’s why.
Everyone benefits from open-sourcing, often in ways that are intangible. And as bitcoin’s ubiquity increases, existing payments companies have to make a choice: adapt or be left behind. Square got where it is by embracing and adapting to change.
This isn’t an investment in a competitor, it’s an investment in the future of money—something that Square obviously has a stake in.
BTCPay normalizes thinking about what it means for a currency to be self-sovereign, while bridging the UX gap that has historically kept open-source projects from mass adoption.

https://medium.com/@squarecrypto/grant-1-btcpay-server-8f158621bf91