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Question: How low will we go before we see $10K again?
<$8,000 - 28 (37.8%)
$8,000-8,200 - 8 (10.8%)
$8,200-$8,400 - 3 (4.1%)
$8,400-$8,600 - 21 (28.4%)
$8,600-$8,800 - 7 (9.5%)
$8,800-$9,000 - 7 (9.5%)
Total Voters: 74

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I resemble that statement!!!!    Angry Angry Angry Angry


There has got(s) to be some forum members with me as their BFF, even if they don't want it.  It's inevitable and in the algorithm that was created by webtricks, and cannot be avoided - even when some guys and gal might employ tactics to avoid me as their BFF by trying to irritate / annoy me, I don't tend to hold grudges - except maybe with Roach.... hahahahaahaha   Cheesy Cheesy
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What are those things and where do you find them?

Micgeese already provided the link, which is here.
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November 18, 2019, 10:56:03 PM

In cases of economic turbulence, it is better to choose Bitcoin, some investors are already doing it intelligently, some keeping discretion.

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“If you’ve got to move fast, uncertainty means Bitcoin. I mean, gold, you can’t really carry much of it, it’s hard to store, it’s quite difficult to buy. You can’t just go, I’ll have some of that gold. It’s much easier to buy Bitcoin, and move Bitcoin, and protect Bitcoin than gold. So gold is at a bit of a disadvantage. And it’s old usage as the flight capital of choice is being eroded.”

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“I think Bitcoin could easily go to twenty thousand. I’m expecting it to go to fifty, I’ll be very happy if it were to go to one hundred thousand. And the one million dollar Bitcon number is purely what you get if every Satoshi is worth a dollar, no, sorry, a cent. Let me get that right. So that’s just a mathematical number,” he bullishly noted.


Via YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=119&v=g5w2wiuAIA4&feature=emb_logo

Source: https://www.newsbtc.com/2019/11/18/analyst-bitcoin-price-can-reach-50k-on-macroeconomic-uncertainty/
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Here's mine if you guys want a rare lurker card.

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I resemble that statement!!!!    Angry Angry Angry Angry


There has got(s) to be some forum members with me as their BFF, even if they don't want it.  It's inevitable and in the algorithm that was created by webtricks, and cannot be avoided - even when some guys and gal might employ tactics to avoid me as their BFF by trying to irritate / annoy me, I don't tend to hold grudges - except maybe with Roach.... hahahahaahaha   Cheesy Cheesy

Make one as well Smiley
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November 18, 2019, 11:05:36 PM

Btw, BTC wouldn't be BTC if it doesn't DIP Cheesy
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I'm not sure how to thank you...this changes everything
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November 18, 2019, 11:28:09 PM

You can’t just go, I’ll have some of that gold.

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November 18, 2019, 11:35:39 PM

That tom cruise looks like something from rick and morty come to life. Embarrassed
I think I am just hyped from the "can I make an app for you" episode from last night. Undecided
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November 18, 2019, 11:58:11 PM

I never sell my BTC. I never trade it. I just accumulate.

However, few days ago I decided to spend $ 80 in a two year plan in protonmail, and Bitcoin is by far the cheapest and most convenient payment method (as I don't have USD or EUR).

Bitcoin price just crashed, wtf! The price was 0.0090 when I first looked, now it is 0.0099.

where are the bulls? lol
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In cases of economic turbulence, it is better to choose Bitcoin, some investors are already doing it intelligently, some keeping discretion.

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“If you’ve got to move fast, uncertainty means Bitcoin. I mean, gold, you can’t really carry much of it, it’s hard to store, it’s quite difficult to buy. You can’t just go, I’ll have some of that gold. It’s much easier to buy Bitcoin, and move Bitcoin, and protect Bitcoin than gold. So gold is at a bit of a disadvantage. And it’s old usage as the flight capital of choice is being eroded.”

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“I think Bitcoin could easily go to twenty thousand. I’m expecting it to go to fifty, I’ll be very happy if it were to go to one hundred thousand. And the one million dollar Bitcon number is purely what you get if every Satoshi is worth a dollar, no, sorry, a cent. Let me get that right. So that’s just a mathematical number,” he bullishly noted.


Via YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=119&v=g5w2wiuAIA4&feature=emb_logo

Source: https://www.newsbtc.com/2019/11/18/analyst-bitcoin-price-can-reach-50k-on-macroeconomic-uncertainty/

What do you believe is the date of that interview, LUCKMCFLY, or anyone else?

I know that the linked article is from today, and the download of the video is just a few days ago, but based on the content, it seems that Clem Chambers was describing $6k as an upwards price point for BTC (rather than downwards), which would imply that the interview was in early 2019 - before BTC had broken back above $6k, and maybe even before April 1, 2019.  Unless, he was suggesting $6k as a kind of BTC buying opportunity, and that is why he was suggesting $6k as if it were a positive BTC development?
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In that regard, the alleged manipulators might have to change sides when the BTC price starts moving against them in order to attempt to recuperate their losses in the opposite direction of their original intended manipulation, so would those kinds of behaviors and dynamics be fairly characterized as manipulation or just reasonable and expected dynamics of a relatively small free market?

Yes, they would have to, if these manipulators actually exist.
At least the appeal - or eventuality - that such exist and do successfully more or less willingly or unwillingly, significantly manipulate prices, the trust into bitcoin as an investment would likely decrease, mostly by (future) retail customers.
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Here's mine if you guys want a rare lurker card.

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I resemble that statement!!!!    Angry Angry Angry Angry


There has got(s) to be some forum members with me as their BFF, even if they don't want it.  It's inevitable and in the algorithm that was created by webtricks, and cannot be avoided - even when some guys and gal might employ tactics to avoid me as their BFF by trying to irritate / annoy me, I don't tend to hold grudges - except maybe with Roach.... hahahahaahaha   Cheesy Cheesy

Make one as well Smiley

I already did, and LFC is my bff, too.  So yeah, you and I have the same BFF... go figure??
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November 19, 2019, 12:24:44 AM

Night, HODLnest is calling me..... will be one of the last nights in this one....

Damn it have served me well and still does!

Gonna be hard one of the days Smiley
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November 19, 2019, 12:39:17 AM

Not that BTC needs any reason to dip but this is as good as any.
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Mimblewimble’s privacy is fundamentally flawed. Using only $60/week of AWS spend, I was able to uncover the exact addresses of senders and recipients for 96% Grin transactions in real time.
The problem is inherent to Mimblewimble, and I don’t believe there’s a way to fix it. This means Mimblewimble should no longer be considered a viable alternative to Zcash or Monero when it comes to privacy.

https://medium.com/dragonfly-research/breaking-mimblewimble-privacy-model-84bcd67bfe52

TL no link clicky, Mimblewimble is supposedly dead  Cry

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November 19, 2019, 12:39:44 AM

In that regard, the alleged manipulators might have to change sides when the BTC price starts moving against them in order to attempt to recuperate their losses in the opposite direction of their original intended manipulation, so would those kinds of behaviors and dynamics be fairly characterized as manipulation or just reasonable and expected dynamics of a relatively small free market?

Yes, they would have to, if these manipulators actually exist.
At least the appeal - or eventuality - that such exist and do successfully more or less willingly or unwillingly, significantly manipulate prices, the trust into bitcoin as an investment would likely decrease, mostly by (future) retail customers.

I am not sure whether we are arguing about semantics or merely just some amount of variation in regards to how we speculate about the manipulation going on or the possible impact of such purported manipulation.

There might be some BTC/market/price dynamics that we actually agree upon, and then there would be questions regarding how we might characterize those dynamics, and their effects on either the market or perceptions of the market.

Shouldn't we already agree that there are going to be whale players who are going to want to manipulate bitcoin down as much as they can and for as long as they can, and they are going to use actual physical manipulations such as dumping coins, and if they can they are going to attempt to engage in dirty tactics such as fractional reserves and whatever they can to time their dumpenings and they are going to use information or misinformation campaigns in order to attempt to create negative impressions about bitcoin, but in the end, how far and for how long are they going to be able to be successful in keeping the BTC price down.

Those fucks tried and tried and tried to keep BTC prices below $500, but they lost control.  Same is true at other BTC price points, so what makes you believe that they are going to be any more successful this time?  Are they going to be able to get BTC prices to go below $3,122?  The odds seem quite highly against them, so who the fuck cares if they are able to drag out this particular correction for months and months and months, because in the end, they are going to have to give in and allow or chase BTC's price up.

I have no doubts that there are BIG ASS players who can keep BTC's price down further and for longer than reasonable or rational, but they are also ONLY likely to be able to achieve their objectives for so long, and that is likely what happened in late 2015 when they could no longer keep BTC's price down.  Same could happen this time.  If they can get BTC's price to go below $3,122 then there are going to be a lot of jaded folks, but what the fuck are HODLers like us going to do at those price points?  Hopefully we are buying rather than selling, but anyhow, let them manipulate and try to get the price to go down.  That is what we expect them to attempt to do, but BTC prices are still way the fuck higher than they were a few years ago, and that is surely not because whale manipulators wanted BTC's prices to be in these current $8k-ish territories.  If it was up to them, we would still be below $500. 

TLDR (for Hueristic)  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy, these bearwhale fucktwats, whether they are rich peeps, financial institutions, government entities or some combination can ONLY manipulate BTC prices and public sentiment so much, which in the end, I have a hard time conceding that manipulation is really the right descriptive word choice.
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November 19, 2019, 12:42:24 AM

Not that BTC needs any reason to dip but this is as good as any.
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Mimblewimble’s privacy is fundamentally flawed. Using only $60/week of AWS spend, I was able to uncover the exact addresses of senders and recipients for 96% Grin transactions in real time.
The problem is inherent to Mimblewimble, and I don’t believe there’s a way to fix it. This means Mimblewimble should no longer be considered a viable alternative to Zcash or Monero when it comes to privacy.

https://medium.com/dragonfly-research/breaking-mimblewimble-privacy-model-84bcd67bfe52

TL no link clicky, Mimblewimble is supposedly dead  Cry

Good thing that Mimblewimble and BTC are not the same thing.  In other words, fuck that shit coin.   Tongue Tongue
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