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So I guess Canada is just going to arrest peaceful protesters now without cause or justification? Congrats Canada, you are now a communist country. 👍 👏👏👏

Covid is apparently so deadly and contagious and the vaccine mandates so needed there, that the arresting officers can't even be bothered to wear masks. Lol, what a fucking joke this shitshow has become.  Roll Eyes
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.... Hint: freedom doesn't look like wall-to-wall surveillance, propaganda, lies, riot cops in jackboots and balaclavas, secret contracts between multinational corps and govt, banks doing law enforcement .... these are traits of facist totalitarianism, unholy marriage of power between big corporations and big govt

I have heard some folks denigrate protest on one side versus applauding protests on another side - and the existence of riot cops does seem to be an ambiguous thing - because I cannot really blame status quo officials from striving to engage in some combating of protests and to label protests as something other than what they are.. sometimes protests become too powerful too.. so the use of trucks may or may not be legitimate, but you can appreciate the obstacles that such largess presents towards any government that might attempt to control such.

By the way, bitcoin can help us in these regards, but cannot necessarily fix matters when people are not sufficiently practiced in how to use it effectively.. so anyone can make mistakes, even very smart people.. and when those smart people are known.. they become actual targets that may well not be ready, willing and able to sacrifice their lil selfies for the cause... even if they say that they are willing.. it's not easy for someone who might be in his/her late 20s or early 30s to become willing to get locked up "out of principle."

We are not even going to necessarily agree with some of the substantive issues of some of the protests.. even though there is a lot of legitimacy that those kinds of dynamics can and should exist in "free" societies.. and this imagination of the government disappearing or everyone getting an island or a citadel is just not realistic.. there has to be some governance of public goods/services.. and part of the messy part is that we might not even be able to get two people to completely agree, so in some sense, some of the actual implementations of public goods/services policies/procedures/laws are going to end up having a lot of compromises... and hopefully somewhat representative of the overall population preferences rather than getting diverted into too much weight going to small groups that end up not really representing the overall better way of going forward involving not everyone getting their way..and maybe the structure ends up somewhat in order to NOT infringe too much either...  but not forgetting about providing opportunities for normies and maybe some folks who seem undeserving, too.

Agreed. Protests CAN work, if the goal of the protesters is reasonable/just and true democracy is allowed to prevail.



Just to pick a nit.  If you put people in jail for blocking roads in India...

Well, there ain't enough jails is all I am saying.
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Unless they make their way to the top, have an affair with the King, become another Queen, and then can move and kill any which way.

Although this would make a good Marvel movie it is not realistic.

It would of course beat having a Hissyfit and inserting a agent provocateur.

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https://twitter.com/rfreedomconvoy/status/1494494256978972674?s=21

So I guess Canada is just going to arrest peaceful protesters now without cause or justification? Congrats Canada, you are now a communist country.

Covid is apparently so deadly and contagious and the vaccine mandates so needed there, that the arresting officers can't even be bothered to wear masks. Lol, what a fucking joke.  Roll Eyes

The truckers are lucky they have not been machined gunned to death.

I not saying killing them is appropriate I am saying they could have been blown away legally as the powers granted to the prime minister include that.

Most people simply do not realize most of the civilized world is a police state.

Do a disturbing enough protest and you get blown away.

It is the trade off for quote un quote a civilized  world.

Not saying I approve or disapprove simply saying it is what it is.
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Not only is Bitcoin NOT fungible it is ABSOLUTELY NOT fungible from a pure mathematical aspect.  EVERY satoshi has a pedigree.  You can trace it's origin all the way to the coinbase it was initially realized in.  And you can see the trail of addresses it is passed through to wherever it currently rests.


Not really. When you combine inputs you make the source indeterminate. Coins may taint coins they're mixed with if you want to take that view but that's something different.

Can you expound on this?

If I have a banned address and a good address and I combine inputs then won't my good address get linked to my bad address and chain analysis companies assume if you have the keys to combine you own both?

I'd hate to see someone burn a second address because this was misunderstood.
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https://twitter.com/rfreedomconvoy/status/1494494256978972674?s=21

So I guess Canada is just going to arrest peaceful protesters now without cause or justification? Congrats Canada, you are now a communist country.

Covid is apparently so deadly and contagious and the vaccine mandates so needed there, that the arresting officers can't even be bothered to wear masks. Lol, what a fucking joke.  Roll Eyes

The truckers are lucky they have not been machined gunned to death.

I not saying killing them is appropriate I am saying they could have been blown away legally as the powers granted to the prime minister include that.

Most people simply do not realize most of the civilized world is a police state.

Do a disturbing enough protest and you get blown away.


It is the trade off for quote un quote a civilized  world.

Not saying I approve or disapprove simply saying it is what it is.

Nope you're wrong. Apparently around the world if you are a BLM/Antifa protester, you can throw bricks through windows, set cars and buildings on fire, attack other people in the streets, smash and loot stores, etc. and you will not get blown away or even arrested. You will get applauded by the libtards, heralded by the MSM, and even given more funds to continue being a domestic terrorist.
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February 18, 2022, 06:00:46 PM
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https://twitter.com/rfreedomconvoy/status/1494494256978972674?s=21

So I guess Canada is just going to arrest peaceful protesters now without cause or justification? Congrats Canada, you are now a communist country.

Covid is apparently so deadly and contagious and the vaccine mandates so needed there, that the arresting officers can't even be bothered to wear masks. Lol, what a fucking joke.  Roll Eyes

The truckers are lucky they have not been machined gunned to death.

I not saying killing them is appropriate I am saying they could have been blown away legally as the powers granted to the prime minister include that.

Most people simply do not realize most of the civilized world is a police state.

Do a disturbing enough protest and you get blown away.


It is the trade off for quote un quote a civilized  world.

Not saying I approve or disapprove simply saying it is what it is.

Nope you're wrong, apparently around the world if you are a BLM/Antifa protester, you can throw bricks through windows, set cars and buildings on fire, attack other people in the streets, loot stores, etc. and you will not get blown away or even arrested. You will get applauded, heralded by the MSM, and even given more funds to continue being a domestic terrorist.

You miss the point the point is :

"If you are disturbing enough"

Obviously BLM protest was not disturbing enough to the powers to be.

What was done there was an effort to show cops that slaying a guy in the street with your hands on your hips as if he was not human is not acceptable.

So pollies and MSM whipped BLM into a frenzy to teach cops a lesson.

Once again not right or wrong simply what happened.

Pollies kept arming police to the teeth with military grade weaponry and the killing of George Floyd sacred pollies bigly. So they tried to push the other side into standing up to the police.

Better solution was "convict corrupt cops" not "defund the police". fast track the conviction and execution of a single moron cop and say we did the right thing which give moral hand to smashing out BLM riots.

So we now have a fully loaded world where cops are paranoid of ambushes and trigger happy and thugs are looking to make a point.

Trump had a real opportunity to crush it out  by asking for fed trial to be fast tracked against  single killer cop.
 We would not be here writing about this.
Instead in NYC alone:

 3 cops blown away in Jan of 2022 and 7 shot by Feb 18 of this year.
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.... Hint: freedom doesn't look like wall-to-wall surveillance, propaganda, lies, riot cops in jackboots and balaclavas, secret contracts between multinational corps and govt, banks doing law enforcement .... these are traits of facist totalitarianism, unholy marriage of power between big corporations and big govt

I have heard some folks denigrate protest on one side versus applauding protests on another side - and the existence of riot cops does seem to be an ambiguous thing - because I cannot really blame status quo officials from striving to engage in some combating of protests and to label protests as something other than what they are.. sometimes protests become too powerful too.. so the use of trucks may or may not be legitimate, but you can appreciate the obstacles that such largess presents towards any government that might attempt to control such.

By the way, bitcoin can help us in these regards, but cannot necessarily fix matters when people are not sufficiently practiced in how to use it effectively.. so anyone can make mistakes, even very smart people.. and when those smart people are known.. they become actual targets that may well not be ready, willing and able to sacrifice their lil selfies for the cause... even if they say that they are willing.. it's not easy for someone who might be in his/her late 20s or early 30s to become willing to get locked up "out of principle."

We are not even going to necessarily agree with some of the substantive issues of some of the protests.. even though there is a lot of legitimacy that those kinds of dynamics can and should exist in "free" societies.. and this imagination of the government disappearing or everyone getting an island or a citadel is just not realistic.. there has to be some governance of public goods/services.. and part of the messy part is that we might not even be able to get two people to completely agree, so in some sense, some of the actual implementations of public goods/services policies/procedures/laws are going to end up having a lot of compromises... and hopefully somewhat representative of the overall population preferences rather than getting diverted into too much weight going to small groups that end up not really representing the overall better way of going forward involving not everyone getting their way..and maybe the structure ends up somewhat in order to NOT infringe too much either...  but not forgetting about providing opportunities for normies and maybe some folks who seem undeserving, too.

Agreed. Protests CAN work, if the goal of the protesters is reasonable/just and true democracy is allowed to prevail.



Just to pick a nit.  If you put people in jail for blocking roads in India...

Well, there ain't enough jails is all I am saying.

There are here...just saying.  Wink


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Not only is Bitcoin NOT fungible it is ABSOLUTELY NOT fungible from a pure mathematical aspect.  EVERY satoshi has a pedigree.  You can trace it's origin all the way to the coinbase it was initially realized in.  And you can see the trail of addresses it is passed through to wherever it currently rests.

Even when funded to a TOR LN node, mixed around for a year or so, then cashed out to an entirely new output?
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https://twitter.com/rfreedomconvoy/status/1494494256978972674?s=21

So I guess Canada is just going to arrest peaceful protesters now without cause or justification? Congrats Canada, you are now a communist country. 👍 👏👏👏

Covid is apparently so deadly and contagious and the vaccine mandates so needed there, that the arresting officers can't even be bothered to wear masks. Lol, what a fucking joke this shitshow has become.  Roll Eyes

What a shame.  And I mean that in the strongest, most literal sense.

But on the other hand she will be remembered as a hero.  The only question now is if that memory will be able to be public, or if it will have to be held secretly.
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Not only is Bitcoin NOT fungible it is ABSOLUTELY NOT fungible from a pure mathematical aspect.  EVERY satoshi has a pedigree.  You can trace it's origin all the way to the coinbase it was initially realized in.  And you can see the trail of addresses it is passed through to wherever it currently rests.

Even when funded to a TOR LN node, mixed around for a year or so, then cashed out to an entirely new output?

Possibly the main reason why I'm getting involved with LN, with all its quirks and rebalancing pains.

BTW, I'm still waiting for the necessary gear. Due in early March, they say.
F*** supply chain disruptions!
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Not only is Bitcoin NOT fungible it is ABSOLUTELY NOT fungible from a pure mathematical aspect.  EVERY satoshi has a pedigree.  You can trace it's origin all the way to the coinbase it was initially realized in.  And you can see the trail of addresses it is passed through to wherever it currently rests.

Even when funded to a TOR LN node, mixed around for a year or so, then cashed out to an entirely new output?

Yes, as I mentioned in my tirade, L2 is going to be one way to mitigate this.  And I think a good argument can be made for a transparent base layer, and obfuscated layers on top.

But in that scenario going INTO a lightning channel, and then leaving that smart contract is what that base layer transaction looks like, and all that can be followed.  What you do not know is what was done with that SAT in the meantime.  But ut can only belong to 1 of 2 people in the end.  Lightning definitely adds an interesting dimension to the USE of Bitcoin.
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You miss the point the point is :

"If you are disturbing enough"

Obviously BLM protest was not disturbing enough to the powers to be.

That's a really twisted way of saying that TPTB sanction one type of protest, but not another. It's very clear to everyone now that they only support the global agenda and "the message".
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Atleast they know the difference between Bitcoin and shitcoins.


https://twitter.com/APompliano/status/1494735095281954825
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BTC is forming Hanging Man Candlestick on Daily Timeframe


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Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell teased the new rules late last year, following revelations that at least three top officials within the Fed made large trades at the same time they were steering key economic policies to counteract the impact of COVID-19.

https://news.yahoo.com/fed-expands-trading-restrictions-on-policymakers-to-cover-crypto-other-assets-173004217.html?_fsig=AE9rHXUPkKGzOxgFLQz38w--%7EA
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Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell teased the new rules late last year, following revelations that at least three top officials within the Fed made large trades at the same time they were steering key economic policies to counteract the impact of COVID-19.

https://news.yahoo.com/fed-expands-trading-restrictions-on-policymakers-to-cover-crypto-other-assets-173004217.html?_fsig=AE9rHXUPkKGzOxgFLQz38w--%7EA

New rules come into effect on May 1. 
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So I guess Canada is just going to arrest peaceful protesters now without cause or justification? Congrats Canada, you are now a communist country. 👍 👏👏👏


Masterminding a blockade that paralyzed the entire city for 3 weeks doesn't seem to be enough cause and justification for you? Mmmmkay....  Cool
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