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February 25, 2022, 07:36:29 PM

About time Russia and China were erased from the world map.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/russia-military-repurcussions-finland-nato-163803214.html

If Finland joins, Sweden will not hesitate to do the same and there is one reason for it; they are getting sick and tyred from Russian aggression.

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February 25, 2022, 07:39:13 PM

While hell is unleashed on ordinary people in Ukraine. Which country will be next?

Iraq, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Libya, Yemen, Syria? And this is only for the last 20 years of NATO wars all over the world. Enough is enough!
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February 25, 2022, 07:43:10 PM

Ukraine’s military is showing strong resistance, it will be hilarious if this turns out to be another Afghanistan 2.0.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTe88bLvfrI

^ I like how they are waiting for as many to gather up around the target to get maximum impact.


Btw.. I want you all to do a mental exercise. But not one with sending love & peace & bullsh!t rainbow imagination vibes towards the people of Ukraine.

But, instead I want you to think of insects in your house, of rats or vermin. And think about killing and exterminating without hesitation, with lust and satisfaction! EACH AND EVERY BUG! RAT! AND VERMIN THAT is INFESTING YOUR SACRED SPACE OF DISOBEDIENCE!!! Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy .. ok?  Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes

Deal?.!?. Contemplate and meditate on those thoughts of EXTERMINATION of all fruit flies and everything you can sacrifice! Also do it with your right hand, cuz it's symbolizing "the grip of death", your right hand. With the left hand you create life and you give life. With your right you take.  Shocked  Shocked


*edit():  IT IS YOUR TERRITORY! AND YOU NEED TO PROTECT IT FROM FRUIT FLY RUSSIAN INVADADO_oRS!!!

I'd like to understand what you're saying, but I'm failing utterly. I suspect this is not my fault.
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the noon wall report

War still rages in Ukraine with the threat of escalation hanging front and center. Russian forces continued their advance and encirclement of the Ukrainian capital of Kyiv. Over 130 KIA and as many as 300+ civilian casualties are being reported by MSM.
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-deaths-fighting-people-flee/31721630.html
 
Reports of increased radiation levels in and around the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone appear to be true and possible are result of the large troop movements stirring up contaminated topsoil in region. Regardless...probably not good.
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-60528828

Diplomacy might be back on the table as talks between the two nations are rumored to be hosted in the Belarus capital of Minsk.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/kremlin-russia-ready-send-delegation-belarus-talks-ukrainian-83107545

Markets rebounded sharply Thursday as fears of escalation in Ukraine eased. Bitcoin clawing back 11.81% on heavy volumes. Early morning trading has pushed prices into positive territory for the second consecutive day with the tech sector leading the charge.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/stock-market-news-live-updates-february-25-2022-231258803.html


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Fucking hell, you're like an illiterate Kremlin knock-off of Roach, with an avatar to match.
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I think forest-nugget gives a good run.


Forest nugget...

hahahaha

good one.

By the way, forest nugget is largely delusional and incoherent..

nullius might have been somewhat delusional in his desires to spout out his own agenda.. and seeming lack of desires to stay on topic, yet he tended to NOT be very incoherent if you had enough patience to go through his posts.. some people thought that he was a genius in various ways.. so maybe he deteriorated with the passage of time.. or was not really able to stick with talking about bitcoin rather than getting into other topics in which he may or may not have been as smart as forum members attributed to him..

By the way, nullius did seem to have quite a bit of knowledge regarding various cryptography topics.. which surely it's questionable whether forest nugget has any knowledge or expertise in any topic beyond looking dumb (if there is such a legitimate and valid topic?)

Furthermore, part of the reason that nullius was the best performing merit receiver when he first came to the forum was that he had a lot of very brilliant and insightful posts in spite of his propping up a member who ended up being a scammer.. referring to banned ex-forum member alia
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February 25, 2022, 08:33:54 PM
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Also, those who say why not bet on this if you are too sure, I don't trade. I look for opportunities to buy.

One of your later posts reminded me of this earlier assertion from you regarding your supposed looking for opportunities to buy.

For sure, each of us should be attempting to figure out BTC accumulation strategies that are tailored to our own circumstances, and those of us who have more bitcoin have more luxuries in terms of already being prepared for UP.. so we might not be too concerned whether we  accumulate more bitcoin or not.

Your forum registration date is pretty damned recent, ImThour..,. March 2020.. which actually would have been a pretty good time to get into bitcoin and to get into bitcoin BIGgedly... but surely so many people got scared from events around March 2020.. and likely had some troubles psychologically (and perhaps financially as well) to jump into bitcoin BIGgedly at that time.

Of course, anyone who ended up acquiring a solid bitcoin position in the few months around March 2020 or even a less optimal position of aggressively lump summing into bitcoin prior to September 2020.. would likely have ended up in a pretty damned decent financial position overall - especially given bitcoin's price performance that largely lifted off around September 2020.. and has not really crashed in any kind of meaningful way after September 2020 to even get close to those around $10k per BTC September 2020 prices.

Perhaps guys like you ImThour are experiencing too many regrets about NOT lump-summing or front-loading into bitcoin in those early to mid 2020 times, and so now, you are engaged in a lot of fantasies to attempt to make-up for your then mistake.... and fantasizing about the BTC price going down in BIG ways.. and then you can make up for either your fuck up or just your overly whimpiness in entering into bitcoin.

Even though I feel that I can blame you currently for your ongoing dumbass overly bearish proclamations, its really difficult to blame anyone for being overly whimpy in terms of entering into bitcoin, especially their first year into bitcoin.  There can be all kinds of legitimate reasons that normies or new entrants into bitcoin are going to tend towards whimpiness when they are first investing into bitcoin.  

I even tend to recommend some variation of whimpiness - to the extent that DCA'ing rather than lumpsumming into bitcoin is a relatively greater form of whimpiness....

To try to save myself from some blame, I have frequently attempted to recommend front-loading into bitcoin too.. and that was my own strategy in 2013 and 2014 when I was first building my bitcoin position... and my front-loading did not really pay off that great for me since upon Monday morning quarterbacking what I did versus what happened, I would have better  off to have started out a bit more whimpy and then becoming more aggressive later as the BTC price was falling throughout 2014 and then stayed pretty damned flat through most of 2015 - yet even with the greatness of the 2013 BTC price run that ended up resulting in a pretty great correction and even a great stagnation in order to allow for buying support to catch up, there still was no real and/or meaningful way to have high levels of certainty regarding how much of a stake in bitcoin would have been sufficient preparation for UP... .. so in that regard, even though retroactively assessing the matter, I overpaid for bitcoin I still feel good about the whole situation because I had a kind of psychological need to be prepared for UP... which overly stacking bitcoin seemed to satisfy such need. .. even if it took a decently long time (more than 3 years) for some of my purchases to become profitable.

Seems to me that your supposed (top the extent that we can believe anything that you say) overly obsession about "searching for buying opportunities" fails/refuses to appreciate the value of DCA.. and preparing for UP, and I am not even saying that both front loading and buying on dips are not good supplemental strategies, even though I do think that it remains important to continue to highlight some of the nonsense aspects of your supposed philosophy of supposedly looking for buying opportunities, when we already are in the midst of 40% to 50% BTC corrections, and you are fantasizing about additional 50% to 85% dips from here.. which are hard to even take seriously in any kind of way except to categorize them as either long shot (in the ballpark of 5% at best and more likely less than 1% scenarios... to the extent anyone might be assigning higher probabilities to some of your out-of-this world expectations in terms of where BTC prices might be going).

I'm looking forward to some serious green candles, but also have moments of doubt like ImThour when it comes to BTC price. I've been through a lot of shit the past decade but the shining star during this time has been Bitcoin, there is no doubt in my mind this is as important as the internet when it comes to inventions.

The sideways BTC action slightly above the low mark (~33k USD) as of late brings out the worst in people here it seems, including me, and stupid wars doesn't help (yes, I'm a peace lover).

I have a few friendly suggestions, no one has to agree (feel free to ignore), but I think it might benefit all of us in WO.

Unless Bitcoin related (that's the exception)...
1) ...don't post war related stuff.
2) ...leave political remarks out of the discussion.

I'm guilty of breaking these rules myself, but feel eager to improve.
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NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg announced Friday that the alliance has activated elements of the 40,000-troop NATO Response Force (NRF) for the first time, warning at a press conference: "The Kremlin's objectives are not limited to Ukraine."
https://www.axios.com/nato-kremlin-russian-invasion-ukraine-0872be5e-b5e0-486b-b356-2985370e5148.html

This does not seems exactly true about deployments but still noteworthy.
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The NATO Response Force (NRF) is a high-readiness force comprising land, air, sea and special forces units capable of being deployed quickly.[1] As of February 2022, units assigned to the NRF have been used on five occasions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_Response_Force

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The European Union and United Kingdom have frozen the assets of Russian President Vladimir Putin and Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov as part of a new tranche of sanctions punishing Russia for its invasion of Ukraine.
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The moves reflect Moscow's new pariah status but are mostly symbolic, as it's unclear what assets Putin and Lavrov actually hold in the West after years of escalating sanctions against Russia.
https://www.yahoo.com/now/eu-freeze-putin-lavrovs-assets-152559860.html
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Yes, I deserved that. Wink
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Another by the way.... some of us longer time BTC HODLers went through a lot of this in our early years (and sure some of us did not learn and we end up going through it over and over).. but I spent more than 3 years between late 2013 and early 2017 in which some portions of my BTC purchases were in the negative.. and part fo that time, large proportions of my BTC portfolio was in the negative.. it all worked itself out, but 3 years is a pretty damned long time to be having some of the frustrations of having fewer options because what you are holding is not profitable.. and I do not believe in selling anything that is not profitable - especially bitcoin and even though the BTC price was down during that time, I had decent levels of confidence that continuing to accumulate BTC or at least HODL were better choices than to sell any of it.. so I figure out ways to get money that I needed (wanted) during that time from other sources.

Well, You guys are Legends.

My frequent descriptions of my own factual circumstances and my decisions around getting into bitcoin are not meant to be any kind of bragging - because I believe that in some senses, there tends to be some luck that is involved with any kind of timing, and surely for me, my profitability in terms of staying in bitcoin and having circumstance in which I could stay in bitcoin ended up playing out in ways that have been way greater than what I had expected.... and so frequently, I am attempting to preach from my experiences that involve my pre-bitcoin years too and some of the realities that I realize about how it seems that it takes a long time to both build wealth and preserve capital.. and merely having an asymmetrically skewed to the UPside asset like bitcoin is not necessarily going to put anyone into a better position if s/he ends up gambling too much with it or failing/refusing to account for a variety of scenarios including relatively extreme unknowns.

To be honest, the Internet was not available everywhere in my county before 2013 or so. I heard about BTC near in 2014 but I didn't know the potential of Bitcoin. I am living in a country where Bitcoin Transaction is not legal yet nor banned. I mentioned those points to give you an idea about my country. I made my first Bitcoin transaction in 2015. But, I didn't Buy it to HODL. I was gambling in a casino. In 2017, Somehow I found this forum. But, I was not interested to learn more about Bitcoin. I was a student so I never had extra money to buy BTC or any crypto.

Surely, you are describing some of the luck and timing aspects that can end up skewing how you both view the asset and the feasibility (risk/benefits) involved in taking some kind of a bitcoin position.   Personal  circumstances can skew people, and even if some folks have easy access to the internet in western countries, there are a whole hell-of-a-lot of them who have not appreciated the value of bitcoin and taken some initial steps to get some kind of a bitcoin stake.. even if it might well be a relatively whimpy stake in light of their overall personal financial circumstances. 

In some sense, we can ONLY do so much in terms of our own circumstances in terms of finances or even exposure to knowledge about the topic and what we do with such information exposure. 

You should not necessarily feel that you are late to bitcoin or anything like that, even if you are later than a lot of members in this forum because there are so many people who are way too inadequately exposed to bitcoin, and even a lot of dumb fucks who do not seem to know the difference between shitcoins and bitcoin, so in that sense, you may well be getting ahead of a lot of those folks in terms of your knowledge about bitcoin even if your finances might be way less substantial than theirs, currently.

By the way, I had heard Mr. Wonderful (Kevin O'Leary) in a recent interview (I believe on the Pomp podcast - or maybe it was some other interview) spouting off that 40 million Americans are already exposed to bitcoin, and even if he might be "technically" correct, many guys here likely realize that there is no where close to that level of Americans that are sufficiently and adequately exposed to bitcoin, and it may well be likely that a vast majority of those supposed "exposed" Americans don't even really know what bitcoin is including some kind of an ability to recognize/understand bitcoin's difference from shitcoins or NFTs or whatever other flavors of scams of the day.  Even O'Leary who seems quite smart seems to be diluted in these kinds of regards (unless he is just pumping his agenda.. which is another possibility)

Last year, I have resigned from my job and gather up my Provident fund + Other savings, and invested in BTC. As I have already said, I should not do all in. I should wait more and follow the DCA method.

Hard not to get caught up in hype.. and, of course, the best you can do is to attempt to learn from your mistakes and attempt to mitigate to the best that you can... if there might be some reasonable means to accomplish such.... and sometimes there might be some need to just ride it out and scramble to work things out through other means while letting the bitcoin aspect ride.. and surely one aspect that you have going for you is your youth (as you had mentioned previously), which sometimes can allow for mistakes to get worked out with the passage of time.. even though there might be some painful period while it is all getting worked out.. remember bitcoin with a 4-10 year timeline as a minimum... and if you have even a longer timeline then sometimes you can just let it all work out including continuing to DCA... maybe DCAing with smaller amounts.. since you already have established a decent BTC holding that just might be more under water than you anticipated or at least not as profitable as you had anticipated.

So what I am doing now, Trying to HODL my Investment. Working on an Online Casino and I am getting an amount that is slightly okay to live in. Trying to accumulate more BTC from my Signature Campaign too. But, I am afraid of Emergency needs. I think, at least 30% of the Portfolio should be Fiat money. Smiley

The percentages are going to vary.. and of course, the actual quantity in comparison to your regular expenses (and potential emergencies) are good to account for.

Several times, I had mentioned that when I was first out of highschool and establishing my own finances, I had been projecting my finances out at least 6 months and being able to see if some of my cashflow (even a seemingly secure job) would dry up or get reduced, and then to have various kinds of ways to make sure that there was enough money for the 6 months to be covered.. and as I got older and some of my finances became more complicated with further obligations, business and family expenses and the use of debt, I realized that it was more advantageous for me to project further out... in the ballpark of 24 months, and of course, there was more value in having the first 3 months or so with a lot of specificity, and I could be a lot more vague with the projection the further that it went out...

I am not saying that I was not accounting for all anticipated cashflow and expenses, but there would be more flexibility in my whole accounting in order to anticipate that some of the expenses or cashflow could change along the way .. but just that there was way less wiggle room the closer it came to the expenses and cashflows having to perform.. .. which would also include a kind of anticipation that any expenses (or cashflow) that I engage in during present times needs to be accounted for way out there in the future and anticipating that I may well create stress upon myself if the cashflow/expenses is not working out even when projected way into the future so that I would know quite a bit in advance if there might be some ways that I can either increase my cashflow or to reduce my expenses to account for the future short-falls..

Another thing is that the more speculative the cashflow and expenses into the future, then I better be attempting to error on the side of conservatism in terms of the worse that might happen rather than projecting my cashflow/expenses based on better case scenarios.. and sure if the better case scenarios ended up playing out, then that would just end up meaning that i would have more cash available... but frequently, I had to wait until that money came in or that the expenses were actually reduced before I could really start to invest it or consume more or whatever I was going to do with the extra income that ended up playing out based on my own earlier conservative projections.
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I think forest-nugget gives a good run.


Forest nugget...

hahahaha

good one.

By the way, forest nugget is largely delusional and incoherent..

nullius might have been somewhat delusional in his desires to spout out his own agenda.. and seeming lack of desires to stay on topic, yet he tended to NOT be very incoherent if you had enough patience to go through his posts.. some people thought that he was a genius in various ways.. so maybe he deteriorated with the passage of time.. or was not really able to stick with talking about bitcoin rather than getting into other topics in which he may or may not have been as smart as forum members attributed to him..

By the way, nullius did seem to have quite a bit of knowledge regarding various cryptography topics.. which surely it's questionable whether forest nugget has any knowledge or expertise in any topic beyond looking dumb (if there is such a legitimate and valid topic?)

Furthermore, part of the reason that nullius was the best performing merit receiver when he first came to the forum was that he had a lot of very brilliant and insightful posts in spite of his propping up a member who ended up being a scammer.. referring to banned ex-forum member alia

It looks like someone's been systematically merit-showering nullius recently
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=976210
Perhaps he created an alias with which to merit his own posts? But yeah, I could never see any genius in his posts, more like a self-deluded occasional user of words with more than two syllables, who deluded himself into believing he was a genius. An arrogant prick too (as you can perhaps gather, I didn't have much time for him).
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I know some will not align with his politics, and others will (somewhat rightly) criticize his use of the word "crypto" a little too frequently.  But this guy really does GET Bitcoin compared to his peers.  He even got the fact that it will help the power grid in Texas, and his understanding of that is fairly deep.

Anyway, I get a kick out of his delight at the nunchuck letter.

Some may say he is a politician and none of them can be trusted... also possibly valid.

https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1497031845984227328

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Also, those who say why not bet on this if you are too sure, I don't trade. I look for opportunities to buy.

Your forum registration date is pretty damned recent, ImThour..,. March 2020.. which actually would have been a pretty good time to get into bitcoin and to get into bitcoin BIGgedly... but surely so many people got scared from events around March 2020.. and likely had some troubles psychologically (and perhaps financially as well) to jump into bitcoin BIGgedly at that time.

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You summed up pretty fair, JJG.

I am more of a Buy Low, Sell High guy who might miss the train because of his **targets**. I bought my first Bitcoin in 2020 August, sold in April at 54k. I made some profits.
I am sure if you look at all those guys who sold BTC at $1, they didn't knew how far it will go.

I couldn't stop myself from taking the profits however I never went back, I have been digging so hard in analysis and finding ways to get the best possible price so that I can live a financial freedom life which I think most of you are already living (WO is filled with veterans of BitcoinTalk).

It's not same for most of us who recently jumped up in this Crypto Bus and we do have different perspective as compared to you big boys.
My analysis is always my own perspective and I post here because there is no one else in my life who understands this.
I get a lot of criticism and I still come back here to post my shitty trendlines and weird Elliot Waves because this is the only place I can express myself.

My long term thought about BTC is bullish and will remain same till the day I exist. It's just I love finding opportunities to buy. I am sure some of you might relate and some of you will find this stupid.
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Looks like China is about to snub Russia


$50000 bitcoin in one hour  Wink
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Fucking hell, you're like an illiterate Kremlin knock-off of Roach, with an avatar to match.

lol.
Every time that dude posts, I swipe my finger across the creepy crawler bug on my screen to try to squish that little bastard.
Then I'm like,  "oh jeezus, I fell for it again, I'm such an idiot...."
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