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lets test 530, common now!
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Big money big money no double whammy no double whammy.... STOP!

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er...not brave enough to use the crayons yet to color this in...but still....

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August 27, 2014, 09:14:26 AM

It's gonna take some time to chew through these walls. I wonder if the bears are getting nervous.  I'm cool as can be. I don't even care if it goes down. I'll just buy more and lower my average buy in price.
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The upward rally has started!!
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August 27, 2014, 09:22:55 AM

I have suggested that in theory the USA is a democracy, and accordingly people should be deciding NOT money. 
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Democratic republic. Specifically designed to attempt to keep power devolved to the people as much as possible because of that whole "power corrupts" thing.

Capitalism itself just means the ability to accumulate the fruits of your labors. In itself, it's fairly innocuous and forms the basis of any society advanced beyond "sitting in the dirt, eating mud". It is not really even an "ism". It has been responsible for the most properous and generous societies ever in the history of the world. It has raised billions form misery and poverty.

Personally, there is an internal tension between democracy and capitalism, and people try to act as if they are nearly one of the same..

Some do. Those people are wrong. There is some link between the two however. When people are allowed to accumulate, they tend to prefer peace because war is bad for business. When that is broken, such as through central banking and inflation, the problems start. Hence, bitcoin.


I'm just suggesting that the people decide.. and that is NOT just my preference, and I am willing to live and accept when the people decide what they want, even if it does NOT make a lot of sense to me on an individual preference level... but that will NOT stop me from speaking or writing my input.. so long as free speech is allowed in this new or evolving system.

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting what to have for dinner

Democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried


There are a large number of ways to form better democracies and more responsible capitalism, and it seems that bitcoin can help in some of these endeavors... and when I am talking better and more responsible, I am specifically indicating that the spectrum of public input needs to shift to allow for more channels in which regular people can influence a variety of decision making. 

Personally, I am of the believe that the creation of laws that allow for more powerful and proliferation of unionization would be one possibility and another could be to allow more worker and or community directive cooperatives (and incentives in society for such).   

There may be other ways to accomplish such as well, and I do NOT feel that I have all of the answers because even if there is a movement towards increasing democratic input, it takes time to evolve such new infrastructures.. even creating incentives for cities to develop better mass transit systems and more community space would be a step in the right direction, from my perspective.


  I understand that a lot of you anarchists and/or libertarian oriented peeps have contrary views, and I suppose there could be ways to accommodate some of those values as well, as long as people want such and as long as people are making these decisions rather than monied interests. IN the end, I am NOT so attached to any actual outcome, so long as our society and community heads in the direction to increase people participation and input rather than letting less than 1% of the people dictate the societal structures for the mere purpose that the 1% can maintain their wealth and keep the 99%-ish from having such input and/or wealth building security.
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I have suggested that in theory the USA is a democracy, and accordingly people should be deciding NOT money. 
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Democratic republic. Specifically designed to attempt to keep power devolved to the people as much as possible because of that whole "power corrupts" thing.

Capitalism itself just means the ability to accumulate the fruits of your labors. In itself, it's fairly innocuous and forms the basis of any society advanced beyond "sitting in the dirt, eating mud". It is not really even an "ism". It has been responsible for the most properous and generous societies ever in the history of the world. It has raised billions form misery and poverty.

Personally, there is an internal tension between democracy and capitalism, and people try to act as if they are nearly one of the same..

Some do. Those people are wrong. There is some link between the two however. When people are allowed to accumulate, they tend to prefer peace because war is bad for business. When that is broken, such as through central banking and inflation, the problems start. Hence, bitcoin.


I'm just suggesting that the people decide.. and that is NOT just my preference, and I am willing to live and accept when the people decide what they want, even if it does NOT make a lot of sense to me on an individual preference level... but that will NOT stop me from speaking or writing my input.. so long as free speech is allowed in this new or evolving system.

Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting what to have for dinner

Democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried


There are a large number of ways to form better democracies and more responsible capitalism...blah blah blah

Democracy is mob rule. The only irresponsible capitalism is state-controlled crony capitalism. Capital is savings. Real capitalism is the free market without artificial regulations. Markets like Bitcoin self-regulate.  Keep your bitcoin off the exchange or all you have are bitcoin IOUs.  Manage your coins and all your wealth by protecting your downside risk and be patient. This is not a get rich quick scheme. 
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August 27, 2014, 09:32:05 AM

It's gonna take some time to chew through these walls. I wonder if the bears are getting nervous.  I'm cool as can be. I don't even care if it goes down. I'll just buy more and lower my average buy in price.

Aye. UP resistance is about x1.3 Maybe we see 533 till Friday. Monday will be back to <530, maybe fall even below 500 again. Let's see what next week brings. This weeks pretty much stale.
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August 27, 2014, 09:37:14 AM

The only difference between theft and robbery is that robbery is a taking of property that  is accomplished with a threat of violence or violence.

Bingo.

It still does NOT make your earlier statement correct, but I guess I understand the point that you are making... even though I think that you are oversimplifying the role of government and attempting to characterize it as something that it is NOT... which your oversimplification causes you (and several of your other anti-government proponents) to attempt to throw the baby out with the bath water.
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This is a pretty good discussion, Jorge, and I imagine what you mean by examples of public health care systems around the world, you are suggesting and indicating that they are much less profit driven and much more health care driven and much more beneficial and meaningful to people.. as compared with the stupid ass profit driven american health care system.

In other words, I believe we agree here, and maybe you should stick with NON bitcoin commentary in order to meaningfully contribute to this thread and to the world in general.   Cheesy


Yes, public healthcare is wonderful

https://www.google.com/search?q=nhs+scandal

It can't be long until the Marxist utopia is attained. At least if the money doesn't run out first.

Just b/c there exist various scandals does NOT mean that the whole concept and/or idea of health care being a public good should be abandoned and denied to the people... merely in order that rich people can profit.  Most likely insurance companies in many instances, but there are a lot of other ways that people get ripped off by the various health care industry dynamics in the usa including pharmaceuticals and the food industry.
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August 27, 2014, 09:44:20 AM

JayJuanGee,

You may want to take 10 minutes and think about what defines slavery. Nothing is black and white but at what is the tipping point between free and slavery?
Is conscription a form of being sold? Sucks to be a Ukrainian male in the prime of your life now.
Is 50% taxation, with 5% returned to you in the form of public services make you 45% a slave?
God forbid you are French and productive enough to be taxed 75%.
19th century slaves received room and board, so really they were only 90% slaves and we all pretty much agree that is morally wrong.
What percentage of financial or self ownership enslavement is ok with you?
Zero sounds pretty good to me.  

I don't know how any of the points that I am making go to the substance of any of the points that you are making about slavery.... we have plenty of slaves in the usa and we also have employment issues too that are largely caused by rich people engaged in a form of capital strike by investing outside of the usa or merely holding onto free money that is gotten from the government and or the fed reserve.
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