Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion

[oda.krell]

It is getting pretty emotive on here.

Simply suggesting that the price isn't crashing and pointing out that stamp is a mere 3 dollars below this morning gets a proper bashing.

Don't know if that's in response to my answer, but you basically equated "thinking that we're still in a downtrend" with "salivating daytraders".

That's bound to get a reaction

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[NotLambchop]

...a mere 3 dollars below this morning ...

Nine dollars for me.  (Though it's always mourning 'round here  )

[adamstgBit]

ok i quit this forum, again. for the 100th time.

[macsga]

No one can predict for sure when the next rally comes (or crash for that matter). What I found interesting to read though was this article from coindesk:
http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-mining-can-longer-ignore-moores-law/
Copy pasting the interesting part for you:

The problem for bitcoin miners is the fact that overinvestment is starting to create an unsustainable trend. Demand, caused by ever higher difficulty, is outstripping development. Ideally miners would need chips capable of breaking Moore’s Law and then some. Over the past year the hash rate of the bitcoin network has skyrocketed from around 1,000,000GH/s to more than 200,000,000GH/s, briefly peaking at 231,138,370GH/s in late August. In roughly the same period the difficulty shot up from about 65 million to 27,428,630,902 on 31st August.

This is important for the price in my point of view; hashing rate (and difficulty) is coming to a point where we will have to deal with fundamental aspects of IT (Moore's Law). Except of course the mining companies have a hidden ace which we don't currently know (quantum ASICs? ). Equilibrium will come (according to the article) sometime within 2015. I personally expect some noise earlier than that, because miner's revenue is not anymore a positive number and many will go out of business.

I hope I'm right, because that means less miners, thus less btcs for sale, thus higher the demand/sale factor. If I'm wrong then it will be a bear's fest once more until sometime at the late $350-$380s. When this stops? Without a big catalyst for a proper CCMF, I'd expect sometime in 2016 when the block halving occurs. Until then, happy trolling...

[NotLambchop]

ok i quit this forum, again. for the 100th time.

Nooo!  We can change!

[NotLambchop]

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I hope I'm right, because that means less miners, thus less btcs for sale...

The same number of coins is mined if there's one guy mining, or 1,000,000.  Why "less BTC for sale"?

[inca]

It is getting pretty emotive on here.

Simply suggesting that the price isn't crashing and pointing out that stamp is a mere 3 dollars below this morning gets a proper bashing.

Don't know if that's in response to my answer, but you basically equated "thinking that we're still in a downtrend" with "salivating daytraders".

That's bound to get a reaction

Ha

[N12]

I hope I'm right, because that means less miners, thus less btcs for sale, thus higher the demand/sale factor. If I'm wrong then it will be a bear's fest once more until sometime at the late $350-$380s. When this stops? Without a big catalyst for a proper CCMF, I'd expect sometime in 2016 when the block halving occurs. Until then, happy trolling...

I don't get it. Just because there are less miners doesn't reduce the inflation itself, until the block halving. Furthermore, a rising difficulty that is not fully compensated by lower costs/higher BTC prices results in a reduction in marginal profits. If some miners have decided to HODL their surplus BTC, they are currently getting less and less surplus BTC and are forced to sell more to cover their bills (up to 100% of 3600/day).

What would be bullish is if another ASIC-magnitude sudden reduction in hashing cost happened and the miners were bullish on BTC and decided to withhold their profits, but that probably won't happen again, simply because ASICs are the end of the line from CPU => GPU => ASIC.

[spooderman]

It's going to come from many different places at once.

RPGs will start using them. Kids will want them over anything else. Keep bugging their parents for some. They will grow up loving them more than inconvenient money.

I know someone who used to sell rare runescape items on ebay and he has to wait for cheques to come in the post.

Then there's the traders who will love the ETF.

Then there's the reality of borderless money coming into fruition. This is beyond what many of us can imagine. We've all heard the term "internet of money" but we haven't seen it yet. But it's coming.

The politicised amongst us will always be way ahead of our time and not part of any majority that has yet to join the movement.

Multi-sig will replace ambiguous, trust requiring, huge set-ups to become necessarily reliable. Massive projects will HAVE to happen the way people funding them agreed to.

"Leaders" will ban them, whilst lining their pockets with them.

The network will be reliable become so many of us will continue to fight for them.

In our darkest times it only ever falls to where it was about a year ago.

To the "worryers" here who own, and are losing perspective, sell what you need to to help you see more rationally.

[spooderman]

I hope I'm right, because that means less miners, thus less btcs for sale, thus higher the demand/sale factor. If I'm wrong then it will be a bear's fest once more until sometime at the late $350-$380s. When this stops? Without a big catalyst for a proper CCMF, I'd expect sometime in 2016 when the block halving occurs. Until then, happy trolling...

I don't get it. Just because there are less miners doesn't reduce the inflation itself, until the block halving. Furthermore, a rising difficulty that is not fully compensated by lower costs/higher BTC prices results in a reduction in marginal profits. If some miners have decided to HODL their surplus BTC, they are currently getting less and less surplus BTC and are forced to sell more to cover their bills (up to 100% of 3600/day).

What would be bullish is if another ASIC-magnitude sudden reduction in hashing cost happened and the miners were bullish on BTC and decided to withhold their profits, but that probably won't happen again, simply because ASICs are the end of the line from CPU => GPU => ASIC.

[I can't imagine anything better than X therefore nothing better than X will ever exist]

[Hunyadi]

It's going to come from many different places at once.

RPGs will start using them. Kids will want them over anything else. Keep bugging their parents for some. They will grow up loving them more than inconvenient money.

I know someone who used to sell rare runescape items on ebay and he has to wait for cheques to come in the post.

Then there's the traders who will love the ETF.

Then there's the reality of borderless money coming into fruition. This is beyond what many of us can imagine. We've all heard the term "internet of money" but we haven't seen it yet. But it's coming.

The politicised amongst us will always be way ahead of our time and not part of any majority that has yet to join the movement.

Multi-sig will replace ambiguous, trust requiring, huge set-ups to become necessarily reliable. Massive projects will HAVE to happen the way people funding them agreed to.

"Leaders" will ban them, whilst lining their pockets with them.

The network will be reliable become so many of us will continue to fight for them.

In our darkest times it only ever falls to where it was about a year ago.

To the "worryers" here who own, and are losing perspective, sell what you need to to help you see more rationally.

RPG point is interesting. Perhaps, bitcoin should be used more as in-game money (is that even a word).

[Walsoraj]

http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/09/16/bitbeat-is-the-battle-for-bitcoins-soul-already-over/

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Many people observed that Ripple Labs was already actively pursuing the described strategy and argued it deserved acknowledgment for this. The piece was deliberately framed as a way to think about what bitcoiners can do to promote their currency. It wasn’t intended as a discussion of other cryptocurrency projects, which is why Ripple ended up with only a brief mention.

But Ripple enthusiasts have a valid point. When it comes to the strategy we outlined, one where cryptocurrencies and decentralized networks would become the financial plumbing through which big institutions shift money cheaply around the world and so reduce costs in the global economy, Ripple is right there. And it may well prove to be a successful model, so long as it can sign on enough of the “gateways” needed to give its decentralized network the critical mass it needs.

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On the one hand, there are supporters of the angle we took, which appeared to include Ripple fans and, let’s say, a more pragmatic wing of bitcoin, which sees cryptocurrency technology as a tool to reduce costs in the existing system. Although this group shares the passion that the more idealistic cryptocurrency enthusiasts hold for stripping middlemen from transactions and leveraging decentralized networks, they tend to be more agnostic on the issue of currency. The idea is that for bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency to change the world it’s not necessary that it entirely displace fiat currencies, only that its technology be used as the intermediating infrastructure for monetary exchange.

On the other hand, those with a more sweeping, idealistic view of the bitcoin “revolution” have a grander vision. It’s a political vision, an ideological vision, a fiercely libertarian and essentially anarchist vision. For this impassioned and, to be fair, articulate group, the angle that we adopted in our column was not an exercise in “thinking bigger,” but of thinking too narrowly – as one critique of the piece decided to point out.

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Related: http://www.coindesk.com/banks-cut-ties-isle-mans-bitcoin-industry/

Bitcoin's naive ideology will be the death of it. Ripple, on the other hand, is pragmatic and on a positive trajectory.

[rjames88]

I wonder if the wall street bankers have a forum which they use the same as here to argue the toss over why the dollar or gold is rising or going down...

[Torque]

I wonder if the wall street bankers have a forum which they use the same as here to argue the toss over why the dollar or gold is rising or going down...

I wonder why a troll that keeps ending all his usernames with "88" doesn't realize that we're on to him...

[Walsoraj]

Check out Ripple's new offices:

http://42floors.com/us/ca/san-francisco/300-montgomery-st

https://xrptalk.org/topic/3736-rls-new-offices-theyre-nice/


I bet RL's huge team enjoys working there. https://www.ripplelabs.com/team/


What are the current prospects for improvements to Bitcoin? Last I checked, core developers were complaining and leaving. 

[Skinnkavaj]

IBM is forking Ethereum.

 https://twitter.com/pbrody/status/510311550734073856

 

[adamstgBit]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKplXFbhdfI

[adamstgBit]

IBM is forking Ethereum.

 https://twitter.com/pbrody/status/510311550734073856

 

can i send my ETH to IBM's Ethereum fork?

[Walsoraj]

Adam, why aren't you deleting my Ripple posts? Have you seen the light? 

[adamstgBit]

IBM is forking Ethereum.

 https://twitter.com/pbrody/status/510311550734073856

 

can i send my ETH to IBM's Ethereum fork?

What the FORK does this mean? 

What it sounds like IBM is going to create an Ethereum that will work while people here gave a 19 year old ~$15 mil worth of BTC

who gave a 19 year old ~$15 mil worth of BTC ?